Comments on: The Ghouls Surrounding Bill Sparkman

By: Kinsey

Kinsey — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:05:51 +0000

Just trying to think like a cop here- but YOU could be right, too. And moonshiners and potgrowers are just like everybody else, right? Some are good, honest people, and some would stab you in the back if you stepped into their shadow. Well, time will tell- have a great day!

By: JeffersonDavis

JeffersonDavis — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:15:49 +0000

You could be right, Kinsey.

But in all fairness.... Not only could it be a genuine rebel stir-up by Glenn Beck, but also could be a genuine liberal blame-it-on-Beck tactic. That's happened before. Remember the liberal that vandalized with conservative writings on the wall in an attempt to bring a bit of martyrdom to his cause? That didn't happen too long ago.

But I see your point. I've met some of the moonshiners a long time ago. Good people, actually. But boy do they hate the government.

By: Kinsey

Kinsey — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:04:06 +0000

hah hah hah- I'll check back in three weeks and see how your crystal ball is working.

By: Kinsey

Kinsey — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:02:15 +0000

No way. No respectable moonshiner would go through that amount of savagery. YOU DON'T WANT YOUR STILL TO GET BUSTED UP AND GO TO JAIL- see, that's how it works. Likewise you don't want to lose, or draw attention to, the 3 acres of high-grade cannibas you have growing in a field. You spent all year watering it, tending it, dodging the local and state cops for it- the last thing you want to do is draw THAT kind of attention.

No, this was either a sick psycho-sexual sort of thing, or it was a genuine rebel stirred up by Glenn Beck. Either way, the killers had a message to send. Now, was the message put there to make a point, or to fool US into thinking that the point is the important thing, and as a smokescreen?

By: wzevon

wzevon — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:34:04 +0000

We are talking about the South here. The attitudes and mentalities that led to Bill Sparkman's murder are the same attitudes and mentalities that led to the murder of four for registering black voters in Mississippi. And I have no doubt he was murdered for the same reasons.

Is it any wonder that those…”people” refuse to accept that Barack Obama is a native-born black American who won the presidency in a legitimate election?

By: JeffCarlson

JeffCarlson — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:12:16 +0000

yeah right drug dealers have brilliant criminal minds … especially meth dealers …

By: JeffCarlson

JeffCarlson — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:09:34 +0000

When right wing pundits point out that they are being smeared by the left they are “equally prepared to fire spitballs back across the wall”. So they are engaging in the same behavior as the left ? That is how you claim to be a moderate voice ?
They are not trying to use the horrible death of a man for political advantage. It is the left that are being ghouls here, not the right.

By: Paul Rise

Paul Rise — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:49:56 +0000

In Mexico the police and/or military are the ones carrying out these crimes. Again – there's no way someone operating a secret meth lab or marijuana plot would murder a witness and then call attention to the crime. Even if this activity is going on in the area (I don't see stats, just allegations and assumptions that a place like this would be a hotbed of activity) locals already know to look the other way. And if they felt they had to off someone who saw too much, they would bury the body in a shallow grave up in the woods.

By: JeffersonDavis

JeffersonDavis — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:53:02 +0000

That was awesome, Zoe.

By: JeffersonDavis

JeffersonDavis — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:50:10 +0000

I agree. But the “like mexico” comment may have some merit.
If you get a “typical” shine or grow operation, coupled with the general anti-government mentality these days (and a general mistrust of anything Obama-related) could embrazing are more stupid member of an operation.

By: pavel52

pavel52 — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 07:32:08 +0000

Rieshstag Fire

Are there any SEIU offices in the area? Since they have been the violent ones in the tea parties last month, biting fingers off and beating up black men. Even going so far as to trashing DNC offices in false flag attacks.

By: Zoe Ellen Brain

Zoe Ellen Brain — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:24:12 +0000

In mexico, drug lords leave severed heads by the side of the road, to send a message.
The locals may have had orders from their associates, who think the same tactics would work in KY. They may have some good reasons for this belief.

While it will temporarily attract some police attention, "revenoors" would likely get limited co-operation from the locals, and it would certainly discourage individual civilians from venturing there.

"You better stay away from Copperhead Road".

The solution?

Make it so hot there that the other drug dealers neutralise the problem.
"the government could no longer remain a passive spectator of the contempt with which the laws were treated."

And by that I mean:
"Use of unnecessary violence in apprehension of the Blues Brothers.. has been authorized."

By: dankleitman

dankleitman — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:45:09 +0000

Many posters point out that murderers under most circumstances do not purposefully call attention to their crimes. This suggests that the most likely possibilities are either
1. the murderer is a wierdo trying to call attention to his crime for whatever reason, or
2. the murderer did his mutilation to mislead law enforcement in order to distract attention from himself.

By: neshobanakni

neshobanakni — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:30:01 +0000

People trying to assign a political motive to this murder may be way off base. My daughter was a census worker and ran into a number of paranoid people who react badly to “the man” looking into their lives. I believe it likely that one or several of these crazies wanted to make a point that strangers should never come around asking questions in Clay County. As horrible as it seems, I think he was taped and strung up on his toes … eventually he passed out or fell asleep and the knot closed up. He had no way to open it and after the blood was blocked to his brain, he asphyxiated. I don't know if they ever came back to cut him loose, but I'll bet they were too stupid to realize how lethal their actions were. They wanted to make an example, and instead they killed a good man.

By: Paul Rise

Paul Rise — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:59:35 +0000

To add to my earlier comment – a drug dealer might indeed have killed a census worker if they had stumbled on their plot or lab – but they wouldn't have drawn attention to the murder! The worker would have disappeared in the woods. Can we can this dumb idea that a “drug dealer” killed Sparkman? Ridiculous!

By: Paul Rise

Paul Rise — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:57:50 +0000

Ghouls? I think the idea that businesslike meth dealers or marijuana (seriously? is this a Glenn Beck site?) growers tortured Bill Sparkman to death and left him hanging on tree with “FED” written on his body is ridiculous. The real ghouls are the drug war dupes! The ONLY question is whether Bill Sparkman was murdered or a suicide – and the people who found the body are on record as saying it looked like a murder scene. People are waking up to the violence of the far right in this country, as sites like billsparkman.blogspot.com attest. I personally demand justice be done for Bill Sparkman. Leftists and moderates alike need to WAKE UP – the violent right in this country doesn't care if you are a leftwinger or a moderate – you're just an enemy to that machine. You're just another Bill Sparkman to them,

By: mlhradio

mlhradio — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:34:48 +0000

Fully understandable that in this uber-politicized environment where everything is viewed through a right-wing/left-wing lens, that the explanations and theories as to what happened involve one political party or another. Anti-government sentiment is definitely not the exclusive parlance of the right-wing – there are people on the left (as well as people of no particular party affiliation) that have a hatred of the government, too. I kinda doubt that the person or people that did this were thinking of the effects on national political discourse when they did the dirty deed – more likely nothing more complicated than “I hate anything involving the government, so I'll scrawl Fed on his chest” and that's it.

Of course, it's all speculation at this point (about the only thing that has been ruled out for sure is that this was not a suicide), and unless the murder(ers) are caught, we may never know for sure.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the anti-American commentators (e.g. those even more venomous and hate-filled than Glenn Be(c)k or Limbaugh or Levin) start suggesting that this was a “plant” by some left-wing group to try and make those on the right look bad. Or maybe they're already suggesting it, I dunno.

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By: tomjoyce

tomjoyce — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:16:12 +0000

I endorse wannabe-centrists objection. I know why kasperhouse wants us to think suicide, as I explain above, but why themoderatevoice.com cannot be a refuge from this kind of attack is sad for America.

By: tomjoyce

tomjoyce — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:14:13 +0000

Jazz do you see why some of us do not follow the "Plague on both your Houses!" David Broder scenario? kasperhouser wants to believe a man duct-taped his own hands behind his back and hung himself naked because he knows that there have been Right Wing killers at the Holocaust Museum, in Pittsburgh, and in churches. Kasperhouse wants to blame this person for his own death so that IF the news comes out that someone did this for political reasons, he will have already introduced doubts as to this being just another suicide.

Then he will bring up the discredited case of The Wheelchair Hero of St. Louis and the actual case of the finger-biter to assert the left is violent.

Unfortunately, it is the Right Wing that is preaching the Doom Warnings. And many Americans are armed and frustrated and angry.