Comments on: What’s In and Not In the Baucus Health Care Plan? http://themoderatevoice.com/46518/whats-in-and-not-in-the-baucus-health-care-plan/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 30 May 2012 21:54:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Rambie http://themoderatevoice.com/46518/whats-in-and-not-in-the-baucus-health-care-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-215298 Rambie Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:43:42 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=46518#comment-215298 DaGoat, as I said in my first post, "As much as I disliked the 'Individual Mandate' it's about spreading risk making it cheaper over all and just because you're young and healthy doesn't mean you won't get in a wreck and need that coverage."<br><br>We have mandated car insurance for a reason and it's pretty reasonably priced. But this bill mandates health insurance but does little to nothing to make sure the cost is reasonable for the average American family nor price controls to keep the premiums from jumping 10% plus per year. By having strong Co-Ops it'll spur competition without it being a government ran plan which should help keep premiums down. <br><br>How many car insurance companies operate in your state? I'll bet the number is many times that of health insurance companies. Why is every state an island in health insurance? Does the auto and home insurance operate under the same restrictions? <br><br>I read at another site, but haven't verified, that it was the health insurance companies that wanted each state separate. Why? It hasn't seemed to help curb premium increases that are double or triple inflation. DaGoat, as I said in my first post, “As much as I disliked the 'Individual Mandate' it's about spreading risk making it cheaper over all and just because you're young and healthy doesn't mean you won't get in a wreck and need that coverage.”

We have mandated car insurance for a reason and it's pretty reasonably priced. But this bill mandates health insurance but does little to nothing to make sure the cost is reasonable for the average American family nor price controls to keep the premiums from jumping 10% plus per year. By having strong Co-Ops it'll spur competition without it being a government ran plan which should help keep premiums down.

How many car insurance companies operate in your state? I'll bet the number is many times that of health insurance companies. Why is every state an island in health insurance? Does the auto and home insurance operate under the same restrictions?

I read at another site, but haven't verified, that it was the health insurance companies that wanted each state separate. Why? It hasn't seemed to help curb premium increases that are double or triple inflation.

]]> By: DaGoat http://themoderatevoice.com/46518/whats-in-and-not-in-the-baucus-health-care-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-215285 DaGoat Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:13:27 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=46518#comment-215285 Rambie I think every American should be taxed to help pay for any new health care plan. It is dishonest to pretend coverage can be extended to more Americans without having to spend more money on it, not to mention it's going to cost more getting rid of pre-existing condition clauses, extending preventive care, etc. Obama wants a plan that appears to be something for nothing, but that isn't realistic. If we are to have a far-reaching plan, the funding for it should be far-reaching as well.<br><br>Your point on it being a cash cow for the insurance companies is a good one, hopefully enough controls can be built in to prevent that. The insurance companies will lose money on some parts of this and gain on others. My other concern is I don't see how it will hold down costs at the doctor/patient level. Rambie I think every American should be taxed to help pay for any new health care plan. It is dishonest to pretend coverage can be extended to more Americans without having to spend more money on it, not to mention it's going to cost more getting rid of pre-existing condition clauses, extending preventive care, etc. Obama wants a plan that appears to be something for nothing, but that isn't realistic. If we are to have a far-reaching plan, the funding for it should be far-reaching as well.

Your point on it being a cash cow for the insurance companies is a good one, hopefully enough controls can be built in to prevent that. The insurance companies will lose money on some parts of this and gain on others. My other concern is I don't see how it will hold down costs at the doctor/patient level.

]]> By: Rambie http://themoderatevoice.com/46518/whats-in-and-not-in-the-baucus-health-care-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-215260 Rambie Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:03:35 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=46518#comment-215260 You know DaGoat, I usually feel the same. If both sides are finding fault it's probably pretty good moderate bill. However this one is a no brainier when it'll both raise the cost of buying health care & make it a mandate. It's a cash cow for the insurance industry and a TAX on every American. You know DaGoat, I usually feel the same. If both sides are finding fault it's probably pretty good moderate bill. However this one is a no brainier when it'll both raise the cost of buying health care & make it a mandate. It's a cash cow for the insurance industry and a TAX on every American.

]]> By: ShortWoman» Blog Archive » Baucused http://themoderatevoice.com/46518/whats-in-and-not-in-the-baucus-health-care-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-215154 ShortWoman» Blog Archive » Baucused Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:32:09 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=46518#comment-215154 [...] that can get bi-partisan support, not a single Republican supports it. It’s just another mandatory insurance plan with bells, whistles, and gifts to insurance [...] [...] that can get bi-partisan support, not a single Republican supports it. It’s just another mandatory insurance plan with bells, whistles, and gifts to insurance [...]

]]> By: Silhouette http://themoderatevoice.com/46518/whats-in-and-not-in-the-baucus-health-care-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-215133 Silhouette Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:15:49 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=46518#comment-215133 No clear and decisive public option = no deal. And no online Holiday cash either for states that through silence condone the medical industry or outright oppose the public option. <BR><BR>placeofnopity dot com<br><br>Site was down a bit yesterday probably due to volunteers overzealous linking in a short period of time. Should level out soon. Back up today though.</BR></BR> No clear and decisive public option = no deal. And no online Holiday cash either for states that through silence condone the medical industry or outright oppose the public option.

placeofnopity dot com

Site was down a bit yesterday probably due to volunteers overzealous linking in a short period of time. Should level out soon. Back up today though.

]]> By: DaGoat http://themoderatevoice.com/46518/whats-in-and-not-in-the-baucus-health-care-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-215126 DaGoat Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:41:27 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=46518#comment-215126 My natural reaction to something both Republicans and Democrats dislike is it's probably a pretty good plan. I'll be interested in seeing more about it in the days ahead. My natural reaction to something both Republicans and Democrats dislike is it's probably a pretty good plan. I'll be interested in seeing more about it in the days ahead.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/46518/whats-in-and-not-in-the-baucus-health-care-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-215119 DLS Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:24:32 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=46518#comment-215119 Well, this time the opposition is bi-partisan. Many Dems don't like the bill.<br><br><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125297827986410683.html?mod=loomia&loomia_si=t0:a16:g12:r2:c0.521356:b27742974" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125297827986410...</a> Well, this time the opposition is bi-partisan. Many Dems don't like the bill.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125297827986410…

]]> By: JeffersonDavis http://themoderatevoice.com/46518/whats-in-and-not-in-the-baucus-health-care-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-215116 JeffersonDavis Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:09:45 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=46518#comment-215116 I don't know why I expect better from the "bipartisan" effort, but I did.<br><br>More of the same.<br><br>This and all of the bills thus far absolutely suck. I don't know why I expect better from the “bipartisan” effort, but I did.

More of the same.

This and all of the bills thus far absolutely suck.

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]]> By: Rambie http://themoderatevoice.com/46518/whats-in-and-not-in-the-baucus-health-care-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-215109 Rambie Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:39:01 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=46518#comment-215109 CNN; "New taxes on health care coverage will have the opposite effect by making coverage less affordable for families and employers across the country."<br><br>I didn't see anything in the summaries about limiting the 10%-plus per year increase in premiums. <br><br>WSJ: "To sum up, the Baucus-Obama plan would increase the cost of insurance and then force people to buy it" <br><br>The WSJ article smells politically biased to me. The plan was from the "Group of 6" you know the 3 Democrats and 3 Republicans not "Baucus-Obama". So this stinker of a plan is also owned by Republicans too, though they are trying to run from it as fast as they can. It seems like the 3 Republicans loaded the bill to fail and Baucus was just too stupid to see it.<br><br>As much as Huff Post annoys me I agree with his 5 reasons this plan sucks. I've long said the the Co-Ops would need the power to negotiate as a group. As much as I disliked the "Individual Mandate" it's about spreading risk making it cheaper over all and just because you're young and healthy doesn't mean you won't get in a wreck and need that coverage. <br><br>Forget "Death Panels" this plan just prices Grandma out of getting any health coverage. CNN; “New taxes on health care coverage will have the opposite effect by making coverage less affordable for families and employers across the country.”

I didn't see anything in the summaries about limiting the 10%-plus per year increase in premiums.

WSJ: “To sum up, the Baucus-Obama plan would increase the cost of insurance and then force people to buy it”

The WSJ article smells politically biased to me. The plan was from the “Group of 6″ you know the 3 Democrats and 3 Republicans not “Baucus-Obama”. So this stinker of a plan is also owned by Republicans too, though they are trying to run from it as fast as they can. It seems like the 3 Republicans loaded the bill to fail and Baucus was just too stupid to see it.

As much as Huff Post annoys me I agree with his 5 reasons this plan sucks. I've long said the the Co-Ops would need the power to negotiate as a group. As much as I disliked the “Individual Mandate” it's about spreading risk making it cheaper over all and just because you're young and healthy doesn't mean you won't get in a wreck and need that coverage.

Forget “Death Panels” this plan just prices Grandma out of getting any health coverage.

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