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		<title>By: JeffersonDavis</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/46500/enoughs-enough-america/comment-page-1/#comment-215639</link>
		<dc:creator>JeffersonDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agreed with you 100% (ok, maybe 99%) until you mentioned the inheritance tax. I disagree with that one along Constitutional lines. Yes it would be nice to have little corporate CEO junior pay a tax on his dad&#039;s inheritance money. But to pay a tax on money that was already taxed as income, is unconstitutional. Pay taxes on interest, sure. Pay taxes on dividends, ok. But the &quot;little guy who we both love has to pay 60% of his grandma&#039;s estate? Not right.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;You also struck something of a chord when you mentioned folks working 2 jobs and living in cars.&lt;BR&gt;I kicked this idea around a while back.&lt;BR&gt;If we &quot;regressed&quot; to one-job households, our economy would actually improve.&lt;BR&gt;(and I&#039;m not sexistly saying that women should stay home - ONE parent should stay home - male or female.&lt;BR&gt;Reasons for this:&lt;BR&gt;* 2 jobs causes more money to be spent per family member.&lt;BR&gt;* 2 jobs causes doubling up of expenses (2 cars (or tickets for trains/buses), 2 sets of business attire, etc).&lt;BR&gt;* More eating out to cover the fact that no one cooks at home.&lt;BR&gt;* Childcare expenses (the big factor) required.&lt;BR&gt;* And finally.... imagine what would happen to the labor market if half of the labor pool stayed home? Wages would increase and benefits would increase.&lt;br&gt;* Not to mention, children would actually have a PARENT raise them instead of a daycare worker, which would eliminate many of the social ills now plaguing us&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I know this was off the original subject, but I though I&#039;d get your take on it?&lt;BR&gt;What say you, brother?&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agreed with you 100% (ok, maybe 99%) until you mentioned the inheritance tax. I disagree with that one along Constitutional lines. Yes it would be nice to have little corporate CEO junior pay a tax on his dad&#39;s inheritance money. But to pay a tax on money that was already taxed as income, is unconstitutional. Pay taxes on interest, sure. Pay taxes on dividends, ok. But the &#8220;little guy who we both love has to pay 60% of his grandma&#39;s estate? Not right.</p>
<p>You also struck something of a chord when you mentioned folks working 2 jobs and living in cars.<br />I kicked this idea around a while back.<br />If we &#8220;regressed&#8221; to one-job households, our economy would actually improve.<br />(and I&#39;m not sexistly saying that women should stay home &#8211; ONE parent should stay home &#8211; male or female.<br />Reasons for this:<br />* 2 jobs causes more money to be spent per family member.<br />* 2 jobs causes doubling up of expenses (2 cars (or tickets for trains/buses), 2 sets of business attire, etc).<br />* More eating out to cover the fact that no one cooks at home.<br />* Childcare expenses (the big factor) required.<br />* And finally&#8230;. imagine what would happen to the labor market if half of the labor pool stayed home? Wages would increase and benefits would increase.<br />* Not to mention, children would actually have a PARENT raise them instead of a daycare worker, which would eliminate many of the social ills now plaguing us</p>
<p>I know this was off the original subject, but I though I&#39;d get your take on it?<br />What say you, brother?</p>
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		<title>By: TheMagicalSkyFather</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/46500/enoughs-enough-america/comment-page-1/#comment-215629</link>
		<dc:creator>TheMagicalSkyFather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with the take without earning liberal mindset, if that has ever been the case I am not nor never have been part of that school.  But in a system with finite money you have to find a way to either constantly funnel from the top to the bottom or keep re-printing more money or no money is left for those that work because it sits in *trusts* and multi-generational wealthy families bank accounts.  In fact that is the effect we have felt over the last few years.  They printed more money but it did not make it to the working class but instead stayed with the investor class while inflation still went up and when shipping manufacturing to other countries could no longer hide the inflation more and more people began to fall behind while working.  &lt;br&gt;I have zero pity for those that will not work or try, I have tons of pity for those that just want a chance to get in the game which again is why I am on the left, I want access not handouts.  Conversely this is also why I am a libertarian, if you get rid of corporations which are inventions of gov financial competition in many areas would return to sane levels.  In the current system I have watched parents work two jobs just to feed their families that live in vans or cars.  This was new to me and to be honest it is what turned me from a &quot;moderate&quot; to a lefty(shy of actual libertarianism if ever offered) and I did not see it until after 2001.  I watched my nation slide from blaming the lazy and those on welfare that did no work to creating welfare to work programs that meant that most that were able to did work and watched as we began to blame the working poor for their plight.  I will not throw mud at those that work for a living for those that play the stock market and rely on trust funds.  I respect work, I do not respect sloth or laziness and how much money you have in the bank does not change my feeling about you.  How do you &quot;help&quot;?  Educate them and keep the populace healthy and any thing else they want let them work for it.  I believe in zero to little taxation and 100% inheritance tax but no one will really jump on board that train as those are the people that generally run both parties.  If you did not earn it you do not deserve it no matter who your mommy and daddy were.&lt;br&gt;I actually planned on re-writing to you when I got home on this topic as I realized you may be a Clinton dem, which could get confusing since he acted like a Repub(the best since Eisenhower in my opinion with HW Bush a close second).  I also thought you may have mis-stated and meant 95% of criminal LAWYERS were dems which I would back but criminals are not really political.  Funny thing what a filter can do because your description of the criminal mindset I used 3-4 years ago to describe Repub&#039;s like criminals since they say one thing do another and take your money for the thing they promised but then spend it on their business friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with the take without earning liberal mindset, if that has ever been the case I am not nor never have been part of that school.  But in a system with finite money you have to find a way to either constantly funnel from the top to the bottom or keep re-printing more money or no money is left for those that work because it sits in *trusts* and multi-generational wealthy families bank accounts.  In fact that is the effect we have felt over the last few years.  They printed more money but it did not make it to the working class but instead stayed with the investor class while inflation still went up and when shipping manufacturing to other countries could no longer hide the inflation more and more people began to fall behind while working.  <br />I have zero pity for those that will not work or try, I have tons of pity for those that just want a chance to get in the game which again is why I am on the left, I want access not handouts.  Conversely this is also why I am a libertarian, if you get rid of corporations which are inventions of gov financial competition in many areas would return to sane levels.  In the current system I have watched parents work two jobs just to feed their families that live in vans or cars.  This was new to me and to be honest it is what turned me from a &#8220;moderate&#8221; to a lefty(shy of actual libertarianism if ever offered) and I did not see it until after 2001.  I watched my nation slide from blaming the lazy and those on welfare that did no work to creating welfare to work programs that meant that most that were able to did work and watched as we began to blame the working poor for their plight.  I will not throw mud at those that work for a living for those that play the stock market and rely on trust funds.  I respect work, I do not respect sloth or laziness and how much money you have in the bank does not change my feeling about you.  How do you &#8220;help&#8221;?  Educate them and keep the populace healthy and any thing else they want let them work for it.  I believe in zero to little taxation and 100% inheritance tax but no one will really jump on board that train as those are the people that generally run both parties.  If you did not earn it you do not deserve it no matter who your mommy and daddy were.<br />I actually planned on re-writing to you when I got home on this topic as I realized you may be a Clinton dem, which could get confusing since he acted like a Repub(the best since Eisenhower in my opinion with HW Bush a close second).  I also thought you may have mis-stated and meant 95% of criminal LAWYERS were dems which I would back but criminals are not really political.  Funny thing what a filter can do because your description of the criminal mindset I used 3-4 years ago to describe Repub&#39;s like criminals since they say one thing do another and take your money for the thing they promised but then spend it on their business friends.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffersonDavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffersonDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MagicalSkyFather.....&lt;br&gt;You may have misunderstood me on that, or I wrote it incorrectly.&lt;br&gt;What I meant by that comment was that the liberal mentality is rampant throughout the criminals in America (i.e., I can take what&#039;s not mine without an ounce of work).  Conservatives typically (and this is a gerneralization) enjoy a good work ethic and want others to earn for themselves.  Yes, many of my politically liberal friends also have a great work ethic, but I am merely pointing out what politicans put out:  liberal politicians (like criminals) want to take from the wealthy to give to those who don&#039;t want to work for it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now the politically liberal wish to say that &quot;it is not that person&#039;s fault that he/she is poor, and they should be helped&quot;.  I agree.  However, I believe (as do the majority of Americans) that any government boost should be just that - a temporary boost to help them get on their feet - not a way of life.  That&#039;s what makes me conservative.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What makes me a Democrat (and I AM a democrat) - is that I life in a state where elections end at the primary - 85% democrat.  If I were a Republican, I&#039;d have no say in my election process.  Democrats here are conservative, not like the ones in Washington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MagicalSkyFather&#8230;..<br />You may have misunderstood me on that, or I wrote it incorrectly.<br />What I meant by that comment was that the liberal mentality is rampant throughout the criminals in America (i.e., I can take what&#39;s not mine without an ounce of work).  Conservatives typically (and this is a gerneralization) enjoy a good work ethic and want others to earn for themselves.  Yes, many of my politically liberal friends also have a great work ethic, but I am merely pointing out what politicans put out:  liberal politicians (like criminals) want to take from the wealthy to give to those who don&#39;t want to work for it.</p>
<p>Now the politically liberal wish to say that &#8220;it is not that person&#39;s fault that he/she is poor, and they should be helped&#8221;.  I agree.  However, I believe (as do the majority of Americans) that any government boost should be just that &#8211; a temporary boost to help them get on their feet &#8211; not a way of life.  That&#39;s what makes me conservative.</p>
<p>What makes me a Democrat (and I AM a democrat) &#8211; is that I life in a state where elections end at the primary &#8211; 85% democrat.  If I were a Republican, I&#39;d have no say in my election process.  Democrats here are conservative, not like the ones in Washington.</p>
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		<title>By: TheMagicalSkyFather</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/46500/enoughs-enough-america/comment-page-1/#comment-215486</link>
		<dc:creator>TheMagicalSkyFather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry dude your not a dem though you say that, why do I say such a thing?  Number one your above comment is straight Rush, 95% of criminals are liberals?  Um no most criminals are unaffiliated since they are mostly young and by demographics people do not normally get involved in politics till their 30&#039;s.  The other point is the race thing, if you think racism is so rampant then we should deal with it and also a good amount of the anti-Obama ferver must be race based by your description of our country.&lt;br&gt;I dont agree though, I think racism is dying and becoming more rare all the time, biases still exist but on a much smaller scale then full fledged racism.  Nice that you got that Rush shot in though of &quot;only the left is race obsessed/racist.&quot;  Its not true, its actually propaganda that says, racism is everywhere so me being racist is not a problem.  Its the same thing that happened to politics, everything has a bias and a point of view(this was the rights argument in the 70&#039;s-90&#039;s) and looky if we dont live in that country now.  So if you want to live in bigot nation keep pushing that info but it is not true nor well thought out but it makes sense if you do not put a good deal of thought into it which is exactly what propaganda is supposed to do, especially the bumper sticker variety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry dude your not a dem though you say that, why do I say such a thing?  Number one your above comment is straight Rush, 95% of criminals are liberals?  Um no most criminals are unaffiliated since they are mostly young and by demographics people do not normally get involved in politics till their 30&#39;s.  The other point is the race thing, if you think racism is so rampant then we should deal with it and also a good amount of the anti-Obama ferver must be race based by your description of our country.<br />I dont agree though, I think racism is dying and becoming more rare all the time, biases still exist but on a much smaller scale then full fledged racism.  Nice that you got that Rush shot in though of &#8220;only the left is race obsessed/racist.&#8221;  Its not true, its actually propaganda that says, racism is everywhere so me being racist is not a problem.  Its the same thing that happened to politics, everything has a bias and a point of view(this was the rights argument in the 70&#39;s-90&#39;s) and looky if we dont live in that country now.  So if you want to live in bigot nation keep pushing that info but it is not true nor well thought out but it makes sense if you do not put a good deal of thought into it which is exactly what propaganda is supposed to do, especially the bumper sticker variety.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffersonDavis</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/46500/enoughs-enough-america/comment-page-1/#comment-215344</link>
		<dc:creator>JeffersonDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You must remember.  One of those &quot;gun toters&quot; was a black man.  Well.....he&#039;s white if you only show him from the neck down on the mainstream media.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;People wear guns to meetings to reinforce their support for the 2nd Amendment.  It&#039;s a sort of &quot;here&#039;s my gun, liberal.  Try to take it from me&quot; gesture.  They are not implying that they would use a weapon at a public meeting.  Just remember.  95% of all common criminals are liberals - they don&#039;t like the prospect of a death sentence or actual hard time.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And racism does exist.  I never said it did not (even though you implied it).&lt;br&gt;Racism exists in the minds of the ignorant, and sadly to say, many Americans.&lt;br&gt;Racism is rampant within the black community itself, as well as within the white and asian communities.&lt;br&gt;It is also prevalent within liberal politics - If you draw distinctions between people based upon race, it&#039;s easier to get them to vote for you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, if you&#039;d turn your TV from NBC once in a while, to get varied news sources, you may have already known that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must remember.  One of those &#8220;gun toters&#8221; was a black man.  Well&#8230;..he&#39;s white if you only show him from the neck down on the mainstream media.  </p>
<p>People wear guns to meetings to reinforce their support for the 2nd Amendment.  It&#39;s a sort of &#8220;here&#39;s my gun, liberal.  Try to take it from me&#8221; gesture.  They are not implying that they would use a weapon at a public meeting.  Just remember.  95% of all common criminals are liberals &#8211; they don&#39;t like the prospect of a death sentence or actual hard time.</p>
<p>And racism does exist.  I never said it did not (even though you implied it).<br />Racism exists in the minds of the ignorant, and sadly to say, many Americans.<br />Racism is rampant within the black community itself, as well as within the white and asian communities.<br />It is also prevalent within liberal politics &#8211; If you draw distinctions between people based upon race, it&#39;s easier to get them to vote for you.</p>
<p>Of course, if you&#39;d turn your TV from NBC once in a while, to get varied news sources, you may have already known that.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the GPS tracking scheme like the one you were writing about (the kind that arouses the ire of normal people),&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2009/us-hr3311.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2009/us-hr...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;is just what we don&#039;t want the techno-toy totalitarians to have the power to implement on us, but of course is just the kind of scheme such people want.  Vehicle weights and odometer readings aren&#039;t intrusive enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the GPS tracking scheme like the one you were writing about (the kind that arouses the ire of normal people),</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2009/us-hr3311.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2009/us-hr&#8230;</a></p>
<p>is just what we don&#39;t want the techno-toy totalitarians to have the power to implement on us, but of course is just the kind of scheme such people want.  Vehicle weights and odometer readings aren&#39;t intrusive enough.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;An exceedingly stupid way of taxing travel without taxing gas from politicians who lack the intestinal fortitude required to tell the Citizens the truth.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A vehicle mileage tax is easy to implement (it would be paid at vehicle registration or reg. renewal time and only need the same kind of odometer readings or statements made anyway during used vehicle purchases or title transfers).  In addition to the mileage, the vehicle&#039;s weight could be used as a factor for tax, using Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR).  (Note that this would delight the anti-SUV crowd, especially those who hate larger vehicles on &quot;principle&quot; most of all.)  (The Gross Combined Weight Rating would not apply, because trailers would be taxed separately using their own GVWRs.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, the unnecessarily-complexity techno-toy totalitarian crowd would want GPS tracking, reputedly to be able to charge different levies on different roads, of different costs, or to do time-related congestion pricing, etc., but this is completely unnecessary and downright creepy when anyone reasonable thinks about it for even a moment.  This is especially not what you want little green fascists like those who are hovering around ObamaCo to have the power to do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; The case can be made for the (simple!) mileage (and weight) tax in addition to a fuel tax, though a fuel tax is more than sufficient and is superior if it is done alone -- it taxes pollution as well as road use and is impersonal, not intrusive (what normal people loathe most about anyone pushing a runaway GPS- or other close-monitoring vehicle use tax scheme).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;An exceedingly stupid way of taxing travel without taxing gas from politicians who lack the intestinal fortitude required to tell the Citizens the truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>A vehicle mileage tax is easy to implement (it would be paid at vehicle registration or reg. renewal time and only need the same kind of odometer readings or statements made anyway during used vehicle purchases or title transfers).  In addition to the mileage, the vehicle&#39;s weight could be used as a factor for tax, using Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR).  (Note that this would delight the anti-SUV crowd, especially those who hate larger vehicles on &#8220;principle&#8221; most of all.)  (The Gross Combined Weight Rating would not apply, because trailers would be taxed separately using their own GVWRs.)</p>
<p>Now, the unnecessarily-complexity techno-toy totalitarian crowd would want GPS tracking, reputedly to be able to charge different levies on different roads, of different costs, or to do time-related congestion pricing, etc., but this is completely unnecessary and downright creepy when anyone reasonable thinks about it for even a moment.  This is especially not what you want little green fascists like those who are hovering around ObamaCo to have the power to do.</p>
<p> The case can be made for the (simple!) mileage (and weight) tax in addition to a fuel tax, though a fuel tax is more than sufficient and is superior if it is done alone &#8212; it taxes pollution as well as road use and is impersonal, not intrusive (what normal people loathe most about anyone pushing a runaway GPS- or other close-monitoring vehicle use tax scheme).</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/46500/enoughs-enough-america/comment-page-1/#comment-215193</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The fee-bate idea (based on vehicle mileage) is popular with activists, and don&#039;t forget the mileage element of the Cash for Clunkers program. It was far from pointless when ObamaCo engineered that, wasn&#039;t it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/09/15/1952208/Congress-Mulls-Research-Into-a-Vehicle-Mileage-Tax?art_pos=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Congress Mulls Research Into a Vehicle Mileage Tax&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;An exceedingly stupid way of taxing travel without taxing gas from politicians who lack the intestinal fortitude required to tell the Citizens the truth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cash for clunkers was not a bad idea, the only problem with it is that politicians are not willing to take the basic idea to it&#039;s logical conclusion, if you want people to consume less gas make it more expensive and the way to do that is to tax it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The fee-bate idea (based on vehicle mileage) is popular with activists, and don&#39;t forget the mileage element of the Cash for Clunkers program. It was far from pointless when ObamaCo engineered that, wasn&#39;t it?</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/09/15/1952208/Congress-Mulls-Research-Into-a-Vehicle-Mileage-Tax?art_pos=1" rel="nofollow">Congress Mulls Research Into a Vehicle Mileage Tax</a></p>
<p>An exceedingly stupid way of taxing travel without taxing gas from politicians who lack the intestinal fortitude required to tell the Citizens the truth.</p>
<p>Cash for clunkers was not a bad idea, the only problem with it is that politicians are not willing to take the basic idea to it&#39;s logical conclusion, if you want people to consume less gas make it more expensive and the way to do that is to tax it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: alphonsegaston</title>
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		<dc:creator>alphonsegaston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carter is spot on.  Wearing guns to his appearances, crying and whining because he has stolen away our America--get real.  These people cannot accept a black president.  Period.  Many of the protestors at public meetings do not even know what &quot;policies&quot; they are protesting.  Just because you are &quot;tired&quot; of hearing about racism does not mean it has magically gone away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carter is spot on.  Wearing guns to his appearances, crying and whining because he has stolen away our America&#8211;get real.  These people cannot accept a black president.  Period.  Many of the protestors at public meetings do not even know what &#8220;policies&#8221; they are protesting.  Just because you are &#8220;tired&#8221; of hearing about racism does not mean it has magically gone away.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Well said. But after an incendiary summer, we&#039;ve run out of Hitler mustaches&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Those were largely LaRouche people, Lyndon LaRouhe was a Labor/Democrat fringenut.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/political-fact-check-obama-is-hitler/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/politic...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Well said. But after an incendiary summer, we&#39;ve run out of Hitler mustaches</p></blockquote>
<p>Those were largely LaRouche people, Lyndon LaRouhe was a Labor/Democrat fringenut.<br /><a href="http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/political-fact-check-obama-is-hitler/" rel="nofollow">http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/politic&#8230;</a><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr J</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/46500/enoughs-enough-america/comment-page-1/#comment-215122</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I&#039;m fed up with democrats yelling &quot;racist&quot; every time someone disagrees with the President and openly voices an opinion contrary to his.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well said.  But after an incendiary summer, we&#039;ve run out of Hitler mustaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I&#39;m fed up with democrats yelling &#8220;racist&#8221; every time someone disagrees with the President and openly voices an opinion contrary to his.</i></p>
<p>Well said.  But after an incendiary summer, we&#39;ve run out of Hitler mustaches.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nice pointless gimmick...&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The fee-bate idea (based on vehicle mileage) is popular with activists, and don&#039;t forget the mileage element of the Cash for Clunkers program.  It was far from pointless when ObamaCo engineered that, wasn&#039;t it?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;A $5.00 to $6.00 gallon of gas would resolve quite a few problems.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It would create a lot of problems, too.  But it would probably reduce discretionary travel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nice pointless gimmick&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The fee-bate idea (based on vehicle mileage) is popular with activists, and don&#39;t forget the mileage element of the Cash for Clunkers program.  It was far from pointless when ObamaCo engineered that, wasn&#39;t it?</p>
<p>&#8220;A $5.00 to $6.00 gallon of gas would resolve quite a few problems.&#8221;</p>
<p>It would create a lot of problems, too.  But it would probably reduce discretionary travel.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffersonDavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffersonDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well stated, MagicalSky.  Wrong on a view points, but well said.&lt;br&gt;If you look at the Boeing Corp. in Seattle, I&#039;m quite certain that isn&#039;t a &quot;republican voting district&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree with the &quot;taking Israel&#039;s side&quot; issue, however; as well as with the deficit spending issue.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as the &quot;racism&quot; issue, I&#039;m enought is truly enough.  I&#039;m fed up with democrats yelling &quot;racist&quot; every time someone disagrees with the President and openly voices an opinion contrary to his.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you are full of crap, then I EXPECT someone to tell you that your are full of crap whether you are of African decent, Asian decent, European decent, or Martian decent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well stated, MagicalSky.  Wrong on a view points, but well said.<br />If you look at the Boeing Corp. in Seattle, I&#39;m quite certain that isn&#39;t a &#8220;republican voting district&#8221;.</p>
<p>I agree with the &#8220;taking Israel&#39;s side&#8221; issue, however; as well as with the deficit spending issue.</p>
<p>As far as the &#8220;racism&#8221; issue, I&#39;m enought is truly enough.  I&#39;m fed up with democrats yelling &#8220;racist&#8221; every time someone disagrees with the President and openly voices an opinion contrary to his.</p>
<p>If you are full of crap, then I EXPECT someone to tell you that your are full of crap whether you are of African decent, Asian decent, European decent, or Martian decent.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/46500/enoughs-enough-america/comment-page-1/#comment-215115</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Based on the vehicle&#039;s fuel economy, that is.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nice pointless gimmick...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you want people to stop driving or to drive smaller cars, just tax gasoline...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With the right tax rate, you can reduce pollution, congestion, the trade deficit and the budget deficit.(You could make Environmentalist, the Defense Conservatives and the Fiscal Conservatives happy at the same time.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A $5.00 to $6.00 gallon of gas would resolve quite a few problems. If such a tax was implemented over a few years in a predictable fashion, people could adjust and it would not be to painful...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Based on the vehicle&#39;s fuel economy, that is.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nice pointless gimmick&#8230;</p>
<p>If you want people to stop driving or to drive smaller cars, just tax gasoline&#8230;</p>
<p>With the right tax rate, you can reduce pollution, congestion, the trade deficit and the budget deficit.(You could make Environmentalist, the Defense Conservatives and the Fiscal Conservatives happy at the same time.)</p>
<p>A $5.00 to $6.00 gallon of gas would resolve quite a few problems. If such a tax was implemented over a few years in a predictable fashion, people could adjust and it would not be to painful&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a fuel consumption tax on vehicles&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Based on the vehicle&#039;s fuel economy, that is.  (The basis of a &quot;fee-bate&quot; scheme, too -- subsidizing and encouraging purchases or use of more-economical vehicles and penalizing and deterring purchases and uses of less-economical vehicles -- an MPG subsidy or tax penalty, in other words, depending on MPG)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a fuel consumption tax on vehicles&#8221;</p>
<p>Based on the vehicle&#39;s fuel economy, that is.  (The basis of a &#8220;fee-bate&#8221; scheme, too &#8212; subsidizing and encouraging purchases or use of more-economical vehicles and penalizing and deterring purchases and uses of less-economical vehicles &#8212; an MPG subsidy or tax penalty, in other words, depending on MPG)</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/46500/enoughs-enough-america/comment-page-1/#comment-215097</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All we need to do is price gas accurately... &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Having our military is not an excuse to vastly over-price our petroleum and its products, and there&#039;s no good reason to force us to drive less or use less fuel, but reasonable pricing of all fuels that includes true military costs plus externality recovery such as for the costs of pollution (real pollution, not &quot;greenhouse gas&quot; stuff) and waste disposal (including solid waste, in the case of coal) makes sense.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In this light, a fuel tax makes not only better sense than a &quot;cap and trade&quot; government-meddling scam, but also more sense than a fuel consumption tax on vehicles, or a tax on engine displacement, or output (horsepower or torque), etc.  (A separate tax on vehicle weight -- gross vehicle weight rating -- and miles traveled, using odometer readings, might be also suitable, in order to recover costs of road construction and maintenance, though a reasonable substitute for this is the fuel tax.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All we need to do is price gas accurately&#8230; &#8220;</p>
<p>Having our military is not an excuse to vastly over-price our petroleum and its products, and there&#39;s no good reason to force us to drive less or use less fuel, but reasonable pricing of all fuels that includes true military costs plus externality recovery such as for the costs of pollution (real pollution, not &#8220;greenhouse gas&#8221; stuff) and waste disposal (including solid waste, in the case of coal) makes sense.</p>
<p>In this light, a fuel tax makes not only better sense than a &#8220;cap and trade&#8221; government-meddling scam, but also more sense than a fuel consumption tax on vehicles, or a tax on engine displacement, or output (horsepower or torque), etc.  (A separate tax on vehicle weight &#8212; gross vehicle weight rating &#8212; and miles traveled, using odometer readings, might be also suitable, in order to recover costs of road construction and maintenance, though a reasonable substitute for this is the fuel tax.)</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Re: &quot;Certainly we don&#039;t &#039;need&#039; to be redirected into smaller, less powerful vehicles&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Vehicles have increased in size and power, limiting economy. But people should be free to choose...&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All we need to do is price gas accurately... Since at least half of our military forces exist for no other reason than to keep the flow of OIL open, we should at least pay half of our military out of gas taxes which would probably double the price of a gallon at the pump.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Re: &#8220;Certainly we don&#39;t &#39;need&#39; to be redirected into smaller, less powerful vehicles&#8221;</p>
<p>Vehicles have increased in size and power, limiting economy. But people should be free to choose&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>All we need to do is price gas accurately&#8230; Since at least half of our military forces exist for no other reason than to keep the flow of OIL open, we should at least pay half of our military out of gas taxes which would probably double the price of a gallon at the pump.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/46500/enoughs-enough-america/comment-page-1/#comment-215089</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;Certainly we don&#039;t &#039;need&#039; to be redirected into smaller, less powerful vehicles&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Vehicles have increased in size and power, limiting economy.  But people should be free to choose...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/82504.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/825...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bentlybiofuels.com/pdfs/EPA_FuelEconomy.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bentlybiofuels.com/pdfs/EPA_FuelEcon...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americandreamcoalition.org/automobility/Sperling.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.americandreamcoalition.org/automobil...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pewfuelefficiency.org/docs/cafe_history.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.pewfuelefficiency.org/docs/cafe_hist...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://pubs.its.ucdavis.edu/publication_detail.php?id=1305&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://pubs.its.ucdavis.edu/publication_detail....&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;Certainly we don&#39;t &#39;need&#39; to be redirected into smaller, less powerful vehicles&#8221;</p>
<p>Vehicles have increased in size and power, limiting economy.  But people should be free to choose&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/82504.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/825&#8230;</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.bentlybiofuels.com/pdfs/EPA_FuelEconomy.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bentlybiofuels.com/pdfs/EPA_FuelEcon&#8230;</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.americandreamcoalition.org/automobility/Sperling.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.americandreamcoalition.org/automobil&#8230;</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.pewfuelefficiency.org/docs/cafe_history.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.pewfuelefficiency.org/docs/cafe_hist&#8230;</a></p>
<p><a href="http://pubs.its.ucdavis.edu/publication_detail.php?id=1305" rel="nofollow">http://pubs.its.ucdavis.edu/publication_detail&#8230;.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brittanicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittanicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual the opponents of any kind of restriction on the illegal immigration, is playing the race card? It&#039;s a forgone conclusion that the benefactors of promoting a mass invasion of our shores,  such as religious groups, unions, ACLU, radical ethnic caucuses and even our own US Chamber of Commerce, will mouth epithets that doesn&#039;t benefit big business,  that doesn&#039;t advocate a continuous  force of illegal cheap labor.  Now they are really livid because their objection to E-Verify was thrown out of court. Now all  federal contractors and subcontractors must adhere to the law. They have conspired against the American worker and people for too long, and now we are fighting back ourselves against corrupt politicians and other elected officials nationwide, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rep.Joe Wilson was actually telling the truth at the time, and now Democrats have placed restrictive language in the Health care reform package as a reluctant afterthought by public demand. This was nothing to do about bigotry or racism, but the American workers and family survival. None of the business community who hire them wants their labor, but forces the taxpayer to carry the financial load. The US labor force should not have to be in competition, with people from other countries. Businesses have already offshore American jobs, because it&#039;s cheaper? So every illegal foreign national and family member should be exempt from government run health care, jobs and all the billions of taxpayer dollars secretly allocated to pay for their support. Twenty million plus illegal people compromised themselves, when they entered a sovereign nation without permission. Find out the truth at NUMBERSUSA, JUDICIAL WATCH and contact your politician at 202-224-3121 demanding no weakening conditions to E-Verify or any other law authored by Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual the opponents of any kind of restriction on the illegal immigration, is playing the race card? It&#39;s a forgone conclusion that the benefactors of promoting a mass invasion of our shores,  such as religious groups, unions, ACLU, radical ethnic caucuses and even our own US Chamber of Commerce, will mouth epithets that doesn&#39;t benefit big business,  that doesn&#39;t advocate a continuous  force of illegal cheap labor.  Now they are really livid because their objection to E-Verify was thrown out of court. Now all  federal contractors and subcontractors must adhere to the law. They have conspired against the American worker and people for too long, and now we are fighting back ourselves against corrupt politicians and other elected officials nationwide, </p>
<p>Rep.Joe Wilson was actually telling the truth at the time, and now Democrats have placed restrictive language in the Health care reform package as a reluctant afterthought by public demand. This was nothing to do about bigotry or racism, but the American workers and family survival. None of the business community who hire them wants their labor, but forces the taxpayer to carry the financial load. The US labor force should not have to be in competition, with people from other countries. Businesses have already offshore American jobs, because it&#39;s cheaper? So every illegal foreign national and family member should be exempt from government run health care, jobs and all the billions of taxpayer dollars secretly allocated to pay for their support. Twenty million plus illegal people compromised themselves, when they entered a sovereign nation without permission. Find out the truth at NUMBERSUSA, JUDICIAL WATCH and contact your politician at 202-224-3121 demanding no weakening conditions to E-Verify or any other law authored by Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;BTW, I&#039;m not saying Carter was a great president. I&#039;m saying (and it&#039;s exactly what I said) that with respect to energy and the future, he was exactly right.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll agree with you that he was prescient in his views on energy, but otherwise it was a fairly bleak four years.  I actually think a lot of the blame for that fell on Volcker, who probably handled things correctly but it was painful at the time.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Still it is customary for presidents to take the credit or blame for what happens during their term.  Liberals will try to argue it one way and conservatives another, but Carter&#039;s term was what it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>BTW, I&#39;m not saying Carter was a great president. I&#39;m saying (and it&#39;s exactly what I said) that with respect to energy and the future, he was exactly right.</i></p>
<p>I&#39;ll agree with you that he was prescient in his views on energy, but otherwise it was a fairly bleak four years.  I actually think a lot of the blame for that fell on Volcker, who probably handled things correctly but it was painful at the time.</p>
<p>Still it is customary for presidents to take the credit or blame for what happens during their term.  Liberals will try to argue it one way and conservatives another, but Carter&#39;s term was what it was.</p>
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