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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/46435/the-politics-we-dont-expect/comment-page-1/#comment-215005</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was amusing to learn that Kucinich and McDermott voted no.  The &quot;Present&quot; votes were amusing, too.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s regrettable that Wilson was the subject of so much overreaction and hypocrisy.  At least the text of the House resolution remained mainstream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was amusing to learn that Kucinich and McDermott voted no.  The &#8220;Present&#8221; votes were amusing, too.</p>
<p>It&#39;s regrettable that Wilson was the subject of so much overreaction and hypocrisy.  At least the text of the House resolution remained mainstream.</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/46435/the-politics-we-dont-expect/comment-page-1/#comment-214924</link>
		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree Pete, when I read yesterday the votes were on party lines &quot;mostly&quot; I wondered why those in the inner circle didnt interview the ones who voted for wrist tapping.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I see that Joe Wilson has made good use of tuitions to our National Military academies for his sons. I dont believe in the father&#039;s sins smearing the sons. However, if his high placed military sons acted this way in chambers-- or on the battlefield, or before an officer of rank.... they&#039;d not receive censure. They&#039;d receive demotion and possible court martial. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The rules of the military for honor are the same as the codes of conduct in chambers and on the floor. I am still thinking this through, but I know for certain, the apology was incomplete. Sorry alone, is not an apology. Most of our parents wouldnt accept an apology of sorry without other concerns addressed. Most of us wouldnt accept a sorry from one of our children, without further issues addressed. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fathertime, somewhere in comments, the day this occured, I wondered aloud if Wilson&#039;s outburst wasnt really an outburse... but had been planned; it appeared not &#039;spontaneous&#039; but loud and direct and meant. I think your insight is worth thinking about further, not in paranoia, but such a ploy is one of the methods used to purposefully disrupt and divide people even further. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I dont know for sure. Have to keep looking at matters. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks Pete, for bringing depth and dimension to the story of the vote. Appreciate it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree Pete, when I read yesterday the votes were on party lines &#8220;mostly&#8221; I wondered why those in the inner circle didnt interview the ones who voted for wrist tapping.</p>
<p>I see that Joe Wilson has made good use of tuitions to our National Military academies for his sons. I dont believe in the father&#39;s sins smearing the sons. However, if his high placed military sons acted this way in chambers&#8211; or on the battlefield, or before an officer of rank&#8230;. they&#39;d not receive censure. They&#39;d receive demotion and possible court martial. </p>
<p>The rules of the military for honor are the same as the codes of conduct in chambers and on the floor. I am still thinking this through, but I know for certain, the apology was incomplete. Sorry alone, is not an apology. Most of our parents wouldnt accept an apology of sorry without other concerns addressed. Most of us wouldnt accept a sorry from one of our children, without further issues addressed. </p>
<p>Fathertime, somewhere in comments, the day this occured, I wondered aloud if Wilson&#39;s outburst wasnt really an outburse&#8230; but had been planned; it appeared not &#39;spontaneous&#39; but loud and direct and meant. I think your insight is worth thinking about further, not in paranoia, but such a ploy is one of the methods used to purposefully disrupt and divide people even further. </p>
<p>I dont know for sure. Have to keep looking at matters. </p>
<p>Thanks Pete, for bringing depth and dimension to the story of the vote. Appreciate it. </p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/46435/the-politics-we-dont-expect/comment-page-1/#comment-214912</link>
		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LIke Pete, I also get fed up with lazy journalism that only touches the surface of the story - which makes me feel grateful for all the fine writers here at TMV who don&#039;t settle for the status quo.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I agree with your assessment Silhouette. An apology was owed to everyone, not just the President. The fools who are trapped in apologist mode for Wison&#039;s disgraceful behavior don&#039;t seem to have a clue.&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LIke Pete, I also get fed up with lazy journalism that only touches the surface of the story &#8211; which makes me feel grateful for all the fine writers here at TMV who don&#39;t settle for the status quo.</p>
<p>I agree with your assessment Silhouette. An apology was owed to everyone, not just the President. The fools who are trapped in apologist mode for Wison&#39;s disgraceful behavior don&#39;t seem to have a clue.</p>
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		<title>By: vwcat</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/46435/the-politics-we-dont-expect/comment-page-1/#comment-214891</link>
		<dc:creator>vwcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never seen the press so obsessed on whether a vote is party line or bip.  And the whole obsession on bipart at any cost.&lt;br&gt;Yes, Obama said he would change the tone and be bipartisan.  But, the press is trashing the man constantly because the votes are partyline.  They consistently fail to note that it does take two to tango and the republicans have slapped back the hand offered by Obama.&lt;br&gt;But, I&#039;ve never seen the kind of scrunity and obsessive Gotcha by the press as I&#039;ve seen with Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never seen the press so obsessed on whether a vote is party line or bip.  And the whole obsession on bipart at any cost.<br />Yes, Obama said he would change the tone and be bipartisan.  But, the press is trashing the man constantly because the votes are partyline.  They consistently fail to note that it does take two to tango and the republicans have slapped back the hand offered by Obama.<br />But, I&#39;ve never seen the kind of scrunity and obsessive Gotcha by the press as I&#39;ve seen with Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more Republican condescension for Democrats that I hear over this, the more I believe that Wilson&#039;s outburst was planned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more Republican condescension for Democrats that I hear over this, the more I believe that Wilson&#39;s outburst was planned.</p>
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		<title>By: Silhouette</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/46435/the-politics-we-dont-expect/comment-page-1/#comment-214877</link>
		<dc:creator>Silhouette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilson&#039;s outburts represents more than just Mr. Wilson.  Goodness.  If it was just one rank congressman in idle times it would be newsworthy but soon forgotten.  No, his outburst is a metaphor for the fringe rights&#039; disrespect for democracy itself.  The decorum of that forum represents to the People and the world at large watching the inherant solvency of the Union, or lack thereof.  To advertise to the People and the world that our Union is unravelling, evidenced by a State&#039;s disrespect for our President, especially during wartime is treasonous.  It is treasonous.  Is that clear enough?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The unending tolerance of treasonous behavior and inciting to riot and Union dissolution has run its course and must be stopped.  Mr. Wilson&#039;s outburst provides that opportunity for Congress to display it&#039;s displeasure with those that seek to milk unrest to further extremist views that the US should dissolve into warring factions between the states.  Will Congress utilize this opportunity?  The fringe right is squirming with delight that his sanction was just weak enough to make him a hero and pump their mojo even more.  A severe rebuke might cause their leaders to pause.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I say let them put their money where their mouths are.  If they want to act like jackasses, let them pay the price for it.  There are rules for discipline in Congress and you&#039;d better believe that if the opposite situation was going on, a democrat from a faction of states that was whispering succession and showing up at Bush rallies with loaded sidearms strapped to their sides, and hidden in the trunks of their cars...you&#039;d better believe a republican-dominated Congress would kick ass on any upstart from a fringe left group that disrupted Bush&#039;s speech.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And by the way, if you aren&#039;t happy with Congress&#039; approach to this guy and treason in general, just don&#039;t shop at any state online this year whose leadership suggests treason.  This whole thing centers around the public option happening.  For some reason the lunatic right has chosen this arbitrarily as their tantrum.  Choose it now as yours and don&#039;t shop at states who are against it.  It&#039;s so easy to send this message.  Especially look out and avoid businesses that have Mouth Carolina listed as their base..until this behavior stops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilson&#39;s outburts represents more than just Mr. Wilson.  Goodness.  If it was just one rank congressman in idle times it would be newsworthy but soon forgotten.  No, his outburst is a metaphor for the fringe rights&#39; disrespect for democracy itself.  The decorum of that forum represents to the People and the world at large watching the inherant solvency of the Union, or lack thereof.  To advertise to the People and the world that our Union is unravelling, evidenced by a State&#39;s disrespect for our President, especially during wartime is treasonous.  It is treasonous.  Is that clear enough?</p>
<p>The unending tolerance of treasonous behavior and inciting to riot and Union dissolution has run its course and must be stopped.  Mr. Wilson&#39;s outburst provides that opportunity for Congress to display it&#39;s displeasure with those that seek to milk unrest to further extremist views that the US should dissolve into warring factions between the states.  Will Congress utilize this opportunity?  The fringe right is squirming with delight that his sanction was just weak enough to make him a hero and pump their mojo even more.  A severe rebuke might cause their leaders to pause.  </p>
<p>I say let them put their money where their mouths are.  If they want to act like jackasses, let them pay the price for it.  There are rules for discipline in Congress and you&#39;d better believe that if the opposite situation was going on, a democrat from a faction of states that was whispering succession and showing up at Bush rallies with loaded sidearms strapped to their sides, and hidden in the trunks of their cars&#8230;you&#39;d better believe a republican-dominated Congress would kick ass on any upstart from a fringe left group that disrupted Bush&#39;s speech.</p>
<p>And by the way, if you aren&#39;t happy with Congress&#39; approach to this guy and treason in general, just don&#39;t shop at any state online this year whose leadership suggests treason.  This whole thing centers around the public option happening.  For some reason the lunatic right has chosen this arbitrarily as their tantrum.  Choose it now as yours and don&#39;t shop at states who are against it.  It&#39;s so easy to send this message.  Especially look out and avoid businesses that have Mouth Carolina listed as their base..until this behavior stops.</p>
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		<title>By: T-Steel</title>
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		<dc:creator>T-Steel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The exceptions are the news.  Because frequently you can get to the truth of things (for lack of a better phrase) by analyzing the exception.  Rep. Emerson and Rep. Kucinich are saying exactly how I feel.  Why stir the pot even more?  President Obama is fine with Rep. Wilson&#039;s apology (whether sincere or not).  In my eyes, case closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The exceptions are the news.  Because frequently you can get to the truth of things (for lack of a better phrase) by analyzing the exception.  Rep. Emerson and Rep. Kucinich are saying exactly how I feel.  Why stir the pot even more?  President Obama is fine with Rep. Wilson&#39;s apology (whether sincere or not).  In my eyes, case closed.</p>
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