1. Take the N out of the name and you may want to visit a livelier place sometime.

(The park was the site of Olympic competition and you may know it's also the site of a rare specimen, a cable-stayed bridge that actually looks attractive from an architecture and an aesthetic point of view.)

http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/ocoee/

http://www.sitesolutionsmag.com/pdf/v3i2/los_ol…

2. (Relative to Atlanta metro) Beyond Ocoee, and returning to a more placid, ideal-for-tubing-and-telecom-use-while-afloat kind of experience if you can't manage to leave your electronic goodies out of reach anywhere, any time, try the Nantahala River gorge area.

http://www.noc.com/

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You can revile the evil Bush-Cheney people and their industry buddies all you want, about clean water, about clean air (real pollution, not “greenhouse gas” silliness) — but it's obvious that any sound reaction or improvement to that (real or imagined) failure does not include rushing to pass what is not cost-effective, logical, or practical or economic. (Nor rushing in general as the Dems have done this year.)

No, this isn't the fault of the evil arsenic-loving Bush-Cheney crowd.

Yes, it is…

They didn't want to regulate, therefor they didn't.

But take the Jordan and Weber rivers, tributaries of the Great Salt Lake, as an example.

The Weber River has a tributary that starts in Wyoming. Weber River Map

There aren't to many watersheds that don't cross State lines.

No, the answer isn't to rush into idiotic excess like the House “climate” idiotic, destructive, pathological excess.

First is to look, and think, before we step (much less leap), especially with the federal government (which should always be the last, not first, resort if we choose government intervention) Whatever is sought must face intelligent analysis and review and be cost-effective as well as practical and likely to succeed.

[sigh]

Lakes are also covered by the CWA and some rivers feed into lakes other than The Great Lakes and the ocean.

How do you figure? The Clean Water Act is still in place, no?

All the laws in the world will not do anyone any good if they are not enforced. And if they are not going to be enforced, the people who don't want to enforce them should run a repeal this law platform.

Since the Republicans don't seem to want to enforce the “Clean Water Act” or the “Clean Air Act”, they should run on a platform to repeal both those pieces of legislation.

In cases where a waterway is entirely within the confines of one State I think the 10th Amendment should apply and the States should determine their own procedures. If a State waterway feeds into a larger body such as the ocean I think CWA should apply as well.

Please make a list of Rivers that don't cross State lines and don't flow into the Ocean or the Great Lakes.

How do you figure? The Clean Water Act is still in place, no?

And any thing that the Government did to protect the American Public from Corporations attempting to squeeze an extra nickel from the American Public would be Nazism.
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