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It's backed by visual evidence (pictures and clips) all available in the same entry, plus determining the boundaries of the rally and calculation of the final tally derived from the density of the crowd at each given block. My calculus puts the figures around 130k up to 160k.

Sure…. that would be the government that Bush destroyed. Need I remind you that among many other examples of cronyism and loyalty Bush actually appointed someone with no management experience to run FEMA (Michael Brown)?

If “Leonidas” had anything interesting to offer to the conversation, that would be one thing; what s/he has are Right Wing Views.

Conformist views are not interesting and do not lead to a good discussion or a search for the truth. While the “Leonidas” posters of this world crave the conformity of a ditto and a mega-ditto, The Moderate Voice is a thinking person's blog. “Leonidas” may be proud of herself, but she changes no minds.

Whe the federal government can run medicare, medicaid, the post office, etc., without bankrupting them get back to me. They would have a much stronger case if they could manage to balance the budget over a multitear period like any business in the private sector would have to in order to stay in business.

What stockholder would endure what the taxpayer has to?

You know what? I really doesn't matter. Seriously – it doesn't matter. Let them believe what they want to believe – if there is anything we have learned over the past many months, it is that those on the delusional right are going to stick to their fantasyland, facts be damned. Death panels? Must be true! Obama not born in America? It's the truth! A million people at a rally? Absolutely!

Let them have their fantasy. If there is one very important thing I learned out of yesterday's little get together, it is that the Teabagger movement is a whole lot smaller that I had feared, and therefore not worth worrying about. Back in April, various rallies drew 300-400K around the country, and that figure was big enough to give me pause. But if only tens of thousands show up to something that has been hyped for *months*, then that means that it's not some major movement we have to be concerned about. It's just a bunch of old white cranks yelling “Get Off My Lawn!”

Kinda reminds me of the whole “Hillary is 44″ screechfest last year – they had a huge net presence, tons of media coverage, all over the message boards. But it turned out it was just a small handful of extremely loud activists inflating their numbers and importance through volume.

Late last week, instead of talking about the merits of Obama's Health Care speech, the entire media debate was about Joe “The Liar” Wilson's foot-in-mouth outburst.

This weekend, instead of talking about what the Teabagger Protest was all about, the entire media debate is about the size of the little get-together.

Seems to me we have a serious problem of focusing on the important issues, and niggling over the smaller details. Surprised? Of course not – entirely predictable. And disheartening…again.

These protesters have every right to be unhappy if they want to be, though I would hope that unhappiness has a basis in fact. However much of that unhappiness has no basis in fact whatsoever. It's the conservative leaders who are painting Obama as a nazi, a granny-killer and who have delegitimized his presidency who are threatening this country with their oft-repeated lies.

Fortunately most Americans are smart enough to see these conservative leaders for what they are, and for what they are trying to do to this country. Unfortunately the loudmouths who are protesting get the most press, giving their misbegotten cause a legitimacy it does not deserve. If these protesters were truly interested in reigning in government spending, protecting constitutional rights, lying leaders, etc., they had many more opportunities to protest when their own man, W, was in office. Their lack of action then makes their protest now ring hollow. These protesters have no principles.

Never let facts get in the way of “experts” like these two.

What does this mean ultimately? I don't know. Enough folks found it important enough to show up and voice their displeasure (some crazily by some of the weird signs that were present). Nevertheless, it is a win in conservatives book simply because of the crowd size. And you can bet your arse that pictures of that march will end up in much of the 2010 mid-term campaigning material.

Estimating the size of a crowd requires aerial photographs, dimensions of the gathering space, and an estimate of the crowd's density.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-01…

If the National Mall is densely packed from Third Street to the Washington Monument, and if the area from the monument to the Lincoln Memorial has an average density, the space could contain 1.5 million people, Barna said. Average density is one person per 5 square feet. A tightly packed crowd has a density of one person per 2.5 square feet, an area slightly larger than this newspaper.

I'd say at least in the hudreds of thousands.