Comments on: The Tally: 15%

By: kritt11

kritt11 — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:53:01 +0000

DLS- The economy Obama inherited was on the brink of collapse- which meant we needed the stimulus.

The stock market is up and the recession has lifted- but unemployment is still a big problem.

Things may not be great now, but they were worse when he took office.

By: DLS

DLS — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:57:52 +0000

“Obama inherited his mess and is doing what he promised voters he would do.”

??? Make things much worse? The spending, debt, poor results, and government growth is backfiring.

By: DLS

DLS — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:56:09 +0000

I should have said “corrected” as well as “clarified,” but it may not be within everyone's easy grasp.

By: kathykattenburg

kathykattenburg — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:07:27 +0000

I guess I was too subtle for some people. Spelling it out: The “filthy baggage” attached to the Democrats are those who supported Bush whole hog and are now doing everything they can to obstruct and destroy and discredit Obama (i.e., lawmakers who compare a president asking schoolchildren to write him letters with ideas for how to help the country to North Korea and Iraq's Saddam Hussein). The fact that Democrats, and/or the Obama admin specifically, seem to have been blindsided by this filthy baggage, I see that as resulting from an insufficient understanding of how filthy is the baggage they are dealing with.

Hopefully, this is now clear enough for anyone to understand.

By: redbus

redbus — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:54:48 +0000

I'm not a big Obama fan. I stand diametrically opposed to him on many issues, but we can both agree that working hard and staying in school is the path to success. Thank you, Mr. President, for this reminder. As for the 15% who took their kids out? They must really be insecure in how they're bringing up their kids to think one speech could alter their children's worldview.

By: kritt11

kritt11 — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:42:03 +0000

Yes I agree Shannonlee. Bush ruined our international rep, corrupted the DOJ, ruined our economy and got us mired in 2 unwinnable wars. He was an oil man but did almost nothing to decrease energy costs, or develop alternative fuels.

Obama inherited his mess and is doing what he promised voters he would do.

By: shannonlee

shannonlee — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:29:40 +0000

“Yes, they have.”

Are you really going to concede this point? Nothing out of the political norm has happened on the Dem side. In comparision to the last 8 years under Bush, Dems have been saints.

By: Leonidas

Leonidas — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:50:39 +0000

The local highschool did not show the speech, not for political reasons, but because it was viewed and an unwelcome intrusion into teacher's classroom time with their students.

By: DLS

DLS — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:12:11 +0000

Something for you to note and file, K:

"the 15% who kept their children home"

Consider also the fraction of the population who approve of torture of (foreign) terrorism prisoners (and may, if asked, say they would like more of it to happen).

By: DLS

DLS — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:22:35 +0000

"I think that they did not expect to encounter so much filthy baggage."

Obama's siding with the lib Dems in Congress, and even the example his "Green Jobs" man provided in his own administration shows he wasn't ignorant of the problem, and in fact it raises more concerns.

Issue clarified.

By: kritt11

kritt11 — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 05:31:45 +0000

It just struck me that the 15% who kept their children home are representative of a dangerous type of American– one who is so closed off to new ideas, that they can't chance opening up their minds or their childrens' minds to them. Its really intellectual prejudice which is the worst kind of all.

By: kritt11

kritt11 — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 05:26:11 +0000

I'm wondering if those who were panicking about the speech are now questioning the source.

It would seem like Rush, Sean and Michelle would lose credibility after crying "Wolf" once too often.But then, I've never understood the mentality of their audiences.

Obama actually gave the Republican message of taking responsibility for yourself and not relying on your government, school or teacher to do it for you.

By: imavettoo

imavettoo — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 05:11:28 +0000

I must say, I probably wouldn't have watched Pres. Obama's talk to the school kids today if not for the wingers raising such a stink. The repubs are probably now wondering why they why they made such a big deal out of it & piqued everyone's interest. Now everyone has seen it in all it's innocence & are laughing at them…again.

By: kathykattenburg

kathykattenburg — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:48:41 +0000

Al Franken is white. I'm not saying Pres. Obama should *not* talk to “tea party” participants, but if he did, I would not be able to breathe easy until he was back on Air Force One.

By: Rambie

Rambie — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:46:45 +0000

"Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It"

On the 13th, I'll be waiting for the calls that Obama was too cowardly to come talk to the tea party folks. Which may or may not have occurred at some point in the past since that's apparently irrelevant.

I do want Obama to be more Presidential and to succeed. I have little faith that the tea party crowd is at all interested in it. I do agree with TSteel that going out to talk that crowd would be more Presidential than we've seen in the last one.

By: kathykattenburg

kathykattenburg — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:44:26 +0000

Deny the facts if you wish -- the reality is that the lib Dems (and Obama, by association) have created and attached increasingly filthy baggage to themselves.

Yes, they have.

(That they're so surprised by the reaction to the speech, or to the health care effort, shows as well they are out of touch with things.)

Perhaps. I think that they did not expect to encounter so much filthy baggage. They probably did not fully realize there was so much of it out there.

I have a feeling that, going forward, they will not be so naive.

By: StockBoySF

StockBoySF — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:15:55 +0000

I think 15% is about the percentage who flat out wouldn't show up at any given speech for any president. It just shows that these loudmouths get more attention than they deserve.

As far as Obama making an appearance on Sept. 12…. I wonder if the organizers will even let him show up. That would be quite a story.

By: Jim_Satterfield

Jim_Satterfield — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:36:12 +0000

How many of the Teabaggers will be armed? Remember their get togethers. I think the Secret Service would justifiably have a cow.

By: Polimom

Polimom — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:02:05 +0000

I'm not denying that, same thing could have been said about the Camp Casey thing. Just that when the shoe was on the other foot the last President didn't do it either.

Rambie, who cares what the last president did? I'm far more interested in right here, right now, and the success of this president. Aren't you?

By: Silhouette

Silhouette — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:47:08 +0000

I think T. Steele's point was this. In ultraconservativeville USA, the ACTUAL numbers of those vehemently opposed to Obama's administration is around 15%. Remember, people were able to pull their kids out if they were adamantly opposed to them hearing “Satan's” voice “putting ideas of evil socialism into their heads”.

That means that a full 85%, by inference, can be said to at least not strongly object to what Obama is doing and saying.

And this is in keeping with the numbers pro-public option, when you boil down all this johnny-come-lately nonsense, is what the polls should be showing about the helathcare debate. Funny how when the health care debate came along the numbers were trumped and Obama made to be the Devil incarnate. But the numbers…the real proof in the pudding, are showing 85% at least acquiescing to the Dark Lord Of Evil Socialism…lol..