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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unions are dinosaurs and those swooning over unions are at the very least, retrogressive (a.k.a. &quot;progressive&quot; [sic]), living in an era decades out of date.  The only exception -- where unions still have a significant and worrisome presence, namely in government.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What was Obama&#039;s palentological and flirting-with-radicalism revival event about yesterday?  Health care desperation and damage control.  Unions are among the very few who actually like the House Dems&#039; legislation.  Warped nostalgia -- what will Obama&#039;s speech to Congress be like later this week?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unions are dinosaurs and those swooning over unions are at the very least, retrogressive (a.k.a. &#8220;progressive&#8221; [sic]), living in an era decades out of date.  The only exception &#8212; where unions still have a significant and worrisome presence, namely in government.</p>
<p>What was Obama&#39;s palentological and flirting-with-radicalism revival event about yesterday?  Health care desperation and damage control.  Unions are among the very few who actually like the House Dems&#39; legislation.  Warped nostalgia &#8212; what will Obama&#39;s speech to Congress be like later this week?</p>
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		<title>By: Divided We Stand United We Fall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Divided We Stand United We Fall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 01:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Carnival of Divided Government XXXIII - Special Labor Day Edition...&lt;/strong&gt;

Bloggers taking note of the day include Jules Crittendon ?I?ll celebrate the way I usually do ? working, and damned glad I have a job? , Shay Riley is taking the day off, while for Walter Brasch it is a day for a historical screed, and Stephen Gree...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Carnival of Divided Government XXXIII &#8211; Special Labor Day Edition&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Bloggers taking note of the day include Jules Crittendon ?I?ll celebrate the way I usually do ? working, and damned glad I have a job? , Shay Riley is taking the day off, while for Walter Brasch it is a day for a historical screed, and Stephen Gree&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CONSERVATIVES ARE LIARS ABOUT SUPPORTING WORKERS!! - Page 5</title>
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		<dc:creator>CONSERVATIVES ARE LIARS ABOUT SUPPORTING WORKERS!! - Page 5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 00:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ShortWoman&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Happy Labor Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShortWoman&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Happy Labor Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] many, Labor Day has changed from just the end of Summer to become a day of thankfulness that some workers do in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was never an &quot;extreme&quot; labor movment or &quot;extreme&quot; labor expectations. However no one can argue that CEO pay, benifits, and, graft is nothing short of &quot;extreme&quot;.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;The Europeans enjoy 30 days paid vacation, national healthcare, an extra week of pay in January and again in June, very liberal maternity leave, (up to three years with 60% pay), very liberal unemployment pay and services, and the biggie....retirment at age 58! &lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;All this, with some I didn&#039;t mention, and, at least in 5 circumstances of national living stadards higher than the United States.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;So I&#039;m trying to think of what we in the U.S. have that others don&#039;t, and, I come up with: A massive over priced military used to back up our internationally acclaimed big political mouth.&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;&lt;/BR&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was never an &#8220;extreme&#8221; labor movment or &#8220;extreme&#8221; labor expectations. However no one can argue that CEO pay, benifits, and, graft is nothing short of &#8220;extreme&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Europeans enjoy 30 days paid vacation, national healthcare, an extra week of pay in January and again in June, very liberal maternity leave, (up to three years with 60% pay), very liberal unemployment pay and services, and the biggie&#8230;.retirment at age 58! </p>
<p>All this, with some I didn&#39;t mention, and, at least in 5 circumstances of national living stadards higher than the United States.</p>
<p>So I&#39;m trying to think of what we in the U.S. have that others don&#39;t, and, I come up with: A massive over priced military used to back up our internationally acclaimed big political mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: TheMagicalSkyFather</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheMagicalSkyFather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 17:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If things do not turn the other way and soon in 20 years we will be discussing the joys of children dropping out of grade school to work in factories 12-14 hours a day to help support their families.  I still hold the belief though that we have hit near the end of the road for the conservative revolution that began in the early 70&#039;s though and I think we will turn the corner as a nation, though much like under Reagan pretty slowly.  I said it before the election and I still think this is where it is headed, FDR was for the poor, Reagan for the rich once the regs had went to extreme and became stifling and Obama will be for people that actually work.  In a jobless economy its a tall order but I still think when they write the history books that will be the arc that is seen though I have no idea how it will all go down.  I do tend to think Obama is a good deal more savvy and intelligent then people give him credit for though.  He is an American president that is black while we still have those in our midst that fought against the civil rights movement and think it a travesty.  If he can pull that off I think it is unwise for anyone to underestimate what he can pull off.  I know it sounds crazy in this the summer of our discontent but Reagan was not trusted on his ideas at first either and those ideas were mostly followed to the letter until just last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If things do not turn the other way and soon in 20 years we will be discussing the joys of children dropping out of grade school to work in factories 12-14 hours a day to help support their families.  I still hold the belief though that we have hit near the end of the road for the conservative revolution that began in the early 70&#39;s though and I think we will turn the corner as a nation, though much like under Reagan pretty slowly.  I said it before the election and I still think this is where it is headed, FDR was for the poor, Reagan for the rich once the regs had went to extreme and became stifling and Obama will be for people that actually work.  In a jobless economy its a tall order but I still think when they write the history books that will be the arc that is seen though I have no idea how it will all go down.  I do tend to think Obama is a good deal more savvy and intelligent then people give him credit for though.  He is an American president that is black while we still have those in our midst that fought against the civil rights movement and think it a travesty.  If he can pull that off I think it is unwise for anyone to underestimate what he can pull off.  I know it sounds crazy in this the summer of our discontent but Reagan was not trusted on his ideas at first either and those ideas were mostly followed to the letter until just last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Labor Day: The Forgotten Holiday - TeamstersOnline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Labor Day: The Forgotten Holiday - TeamstersOnline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 15:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 15:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is what you get when you don&#039;t have Powerful Unions: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/tabfig/2008/03/SWA08_Chapter3_Wages_r2_Fig-3O.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Productivity and Hourly Compensation Growth, 1973 - 2007&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/003072.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Tiny Revolution - Interesting Graph&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;It suggests that if wages had gone up at the rate of productivity from 1973 onward—as they did from World War II to 73—and if this increase were taken in time rather than money, everyone could make as much in wages as they do now while only working four days a week. Or we could all work five days a week but get ten more weeks of vacation every year.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is what you get when you don&#39;t have Powerful Unions: <a href="http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/tabfig/2008/03/SWA08_Chapter3_Wages_r2_Fig-3O.jpg" rel="nofollow">Productivity and Hourly Compensation Growth, 1973 &#8211; 2007</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/003072.html" rel="nofollow">A Tiny Revolution &#8211; Interesting Graph</a></p>
<blockquote><p>It suggests that if wages had gone up at the rate of productivity from 1973 onward—as they did from World War II to 73—and if this increase were taken in time rather than money, everyone could make as much in wages as they do now while only working four days a week. Or we could all work five days a week but get ten more weeks of vacation every year.</p></blockquote>
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