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		<title>By: Leonidas</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/45445/speaker-for-the-dead-presidents/comment-page-1/#comment-211887</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too early to call Obama&#039;s entire presidency incompetant, he&#039;s a rookie and rookies make big mistakes, he may or may not learn from him.  We can, however, point out some major imcompetence that has occurred up to now and hope for improvement.  Our nation dearly needs Obama to get better at his job so things don&#039;t get even worse in our nation.  Political reality suggests he will be forced from the left and liberal fanttasy-land and into the more moderate realm of pragmatism.  I hope he has a successful journey there as soon as possible and can then perhaps amount to something as a leader of our people and something more than just being the first black President.  No matter what he will always be important as the first, I just hope he also in future generations also be referred to as the worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too early to call Obama&#39;s entire presidency incompetant, he&#39;s a rookie and rookies make big mistakes, he may or may not learn from him.  We can, however, point out some major imcompetence that has occurred up to now and hope for improvement.  Our nation dearly needs Obama to get better at his job so things don&#39;t get even worse in our nation.  Political reality suggests he will be forced from the left and liberal fanttasy-land and into the more moderate realm of pragmatism.  I hope he has a successful journey there as soon as possible and can then perhaps amount to something as a leader of our people and something more than just being the first black President.  No matter what he will always be important as the first, I just hope he also in future generations also be referred to as the worst.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Beasley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/45445/speaker-for-the-dead-presidents/comment-page-1/#comment-211837</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Beasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that the Republican politicians for the most part are still pandering to the lunatics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that the Republican politicians for the most part are still pandering to the lunatics.</p>
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		<title>By: Jazz</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/45445/speaker-for-the-dead-presidents/comment-page-1/#comment-211822</link>
		<dc:creator>Jazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 19:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;Unless the party can convince some independents to register as Republicans you will see someone like Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum or Liz Cheney nominated because the lunatics will remain in control of the asylum and the primary process.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wish I could come up with a good scenario to argue with you, Ron, but that is still a clear and present danger. I see it as a combination of two things. GOP registration, while bouncing back *a little* this year, is still very low and it&#039;s still mostly the far right, family values crowd voting in a lot of those primaries. But even beyond bare registration numbers, the wings are the ones on both sides who regularly show up for primaries far more than a lot of average folks who may be registered, but only show up for the general election in even number years.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yeah, I hate the phrase, but Afghanistan is going to be &quot;Obama&#039;s War&quot; every bit as much as Iraq was &quot;Bush&#039;s War&quot; for better or worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>Unless the party can convince some independents to register as Republicans you will see someone like Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum or Liz Cheney nominated because the lunatics will remain in control of the asylum and the primary process.</i>&#8220;</p>
<p>I wish I could come up with a good scenario to argue with you, Ron, but that is still a clear and present danger. I see it as a combination of two things. GOP registration, while bouncing back *a little* this year, is still very low and it&#39;s still mostly the far right, family values crowd voting in a lot of those primaries. But even beyond bare registration numbers, the wings are the ones on both sides who regularly show up for primaries far more than a lot of average folks who may be registered, but only show up for the general election in even number years.</p>
<p>Yeah, I hate the phrase, but Afghanistan is going to be &#8220;Obama&#39;s War&#8221; every bit as much as Iraq was &#8220;Bush&#39;s War&#8221; for better or worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Beasley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/45445/speaker-for-the-dead-presidents/comment-page-1/#comment-211796</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Beasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s Damocles sword is Afghanistan.  The economy will improve and he will manage to get a health care bill that won&#039;t really fix anything but he can say he reformed health care.  But Afghanistan is now his and a majority already oppose it and that opposition will only continue to increase.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;His only salvation may be the Republicans.  Unless the party can convince some independents to register as Republicans you will see someone like Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum or Liz Cheney nominated because the lunatics will remain in control of the asylum and the primary process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#39;s Damocles sword is Afghanistan.  The economy will improve and he will manage to get a health care bill that won&#39;t really fix anything but he can say he reformed health care.  But Afghanistan is now his and a majority already oppose it and that opposition will only continue to increase.</p>
<p>His only salvation may be the Republicans.  Unless the party can convince some independents to register as Republicans you will see someone like Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum or Liz Cheney nominated because the lunatics will remain in control of the asylum and the primary process.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/45445/speaker-for-the-dead-presidents/comment-page-1/#comment-211785</link>
		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 17:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jazz, great post!  I agree that we shouldn&#039;t fully judge Obama now.  The real question is whether he learns quickly from his mistakes.  W never learned from his mistakes and dug his heels in, often distracting the nation from more important issues.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s good to see that Obama, as an example, is willing to admit his mistakes in his administration picks and let them go sooner rather than later.  Bush fought for months to get some of his asinine appointments confirmed and fought months or longer to keep the controversial figures in office.  It&#039;s interesting that Obama doesn&#039;t have the same ego Bush has around keeping poor choices in his administration.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think (and you may disagree with me) that Obama wants to move past the games and govern.  He&#039;s certainly responded very well to critics of his administration, whether it&#039;s changing the wording in a speech, let go controversial figures in the WH or even allow Republicans to offer amendments to legislation (which is something Bush never allowed the Dems to do when the GOP was running the show).  And yes, I realize the amendments and politicking around legislation is done in congress, but it&#039;s the leader of the Democratic Party who sets the tone, and in this case that leader is Obama.  If Bush had wanted input from Dems in Congress when the GOP was in power, he could have said so and  bipartisan legislation would have been passed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jazz, great post!  I agree that we shouldn&#39;t fully judge Obama now.  The real question is whether he learns quickly from his mistakes.  W never learned from his mistakes and dug his heels in, often distracting the nation from more important issues.  </p>
<p>It&#39;s good to see that Obama, as an example, is willing to admit his mistakes in his administration picks and let them go sooner rather than later.  Bush fought for months to get some of his asinine appointments confirmed and fought months or longer to keep the controversial figures in office.  It&#39;s interesting that Obama doesn&#39;t have the same ego Bush has around keeping poor choices in his administration.  </p>
<p>I think (and you may disagree with me) that Obama wants to move past the games and govern.  He&#39;s certainly responded very well to critics of his administration, whether it&#39;s changing the wording in a speech, let go controversial figures in the WH or even allow Republicans to offer amendments to legislation (which is something Bush never allowed the Dems to do when the GOP was running the show).  And yes, I realize the amendments and politicking around legislation is done in congress, but it&#39;s the leader of the Democratic Party who sets the tone, and in this case that leader is Obama.  If Bush had wanted input from Dems in Congress when the GOP was in power, he could have said so and  bipartisan legislation would have been passed.</p>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/45445/speaker-for-the-dead-presidents/comment-page-1/#comment-211774</link>
		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 17:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coincidentally I read the Ender series last summer and I think the comparison is a little shaky.  While I think you could interpret Card as saying that someone&#039;s life can only be judged completely once it is over and reviewed, I don&#039;t think he meant it as an reason not to judge the actions of those still living.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Coming at it from another angle Obama certainly doesn&#039;t need a Speaker right now, he&#039;s not dead and his positives and negatives are well publicized.  I do see your point of not passing final judgment right now but from a practical standpoint he has to be judged today, that is the nature of having a job.  We can&#039;t say Jazz Shaw seems like a pretty good writer but we can&#039;t say for sure until he&#039;s been dead a while.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway it was a very interesting read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coincidentally I read the Ender series last summer and I think the comparison is a little shaky.  While I think you could interpret Card as saying that someone&#39;s life can only be judged completely once it is over and reviewed, I don&#39;t think he meant it as an reason not to judge the actions of those still living.</p>
<p>Coming at it from another angle Obama certainly doesn&#39;t need a Speaker right now, he&#39;s not dead and his positives and negatives are well publicized.  I do see your point of not passing final judgment right now but from a practical standpoint he has to be judged today, that is the nature of having a job.  We can&#39;t say Jazz Shaw seems like a pretty good writer but we can&#39;t say for sure until he&#39;s been dead a while.</p>
<p>Anyway it was a very interesting read.</p>
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		<title>By: Kastanj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kastanj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 16:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup. Reading this column was like watching somebody juggle, in the sense that it was focussed, no-frills yet impressive and balanced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup. Reading this column was like watching somebody juggle, in the sense that it was focussed, no-frills yet impressive and balanced.</p>
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		<title>By: T_Steel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/45445/speaker-for-the-dead-presidents/comment-page-1/#comment-211757</link>
		<dc:creator>T_Steel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 16:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Shaw, you get the T-Steel &quot;Best Rhetorical BBQ&quot; award for fairness.  Much respect!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Shaw, you get the T-Steel &#8220;Best Rhetorical BBQ&#8221; award for fairness.  Much respect!</p>
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		<title>By: Speaker for the Dead Presidents GF power</title>
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		<dc:creator>Speaker for the Dead Presidents GF power</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 15:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the rest here: Speaker for the Dead Presidents [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Speaker for the Dead Presidents &#124; Politics and Government News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Speaker for the Dead Presidents &#124; Politics and Government News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 14:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Continued here:  Speaker for the Dead Presidents [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Speaker for the Dead Presidents windows Mobile power</title>
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		<dc:creator>Speaker for the Dead Presidents windows Mobile power</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 14:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here is the original: Speaker for the Dead Presidents [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Valuable Internet Information &#187; Speaker for the Dead Presidents</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valuable Internet Information &#187; Speaker for the Dead Presidents</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 14:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Speaker for the Dead Presidents FZ power</title>
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		<dc:creator>Speaker for the Dead Presidents FZ power</dc:creator>
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