Comments on: Is Dick Cheney Writing the WaPo’s Articles Now? http://themoderatevoice.com/44782/is-dick-cheney-writing-the-wapos-articles-now/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 30 May 2012 23:15:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/44782/is-dick-cheney-writing-the-wapos-articles-now/comment-page-1/#comment-210187 DLS Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:03:43 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=44782#comment-210187 "with the lie that it 'doesn't work'"<br><br>It's not a lie at all; people often are willing to (actually) lie to stop the torture. That it, in this instance, ispartisan is correct, obviously. This isn't about torture, but about Code Pink and related Dem politics. “with the lie that it 'doesn't work'”

It's not a lie at all; people often are willing to (actually) lie to stop the torture. That it, in this instance, ispartisan is correct, obviously. This isn't about torture, but about Code Pink and related Dem politics.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/44782/is-dick-cheney-writing-the-wapos-articles-now/comment-page-1/#comment-210186 DLS Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:57:52 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=44782#comment-210186 Nothing stops the Bush-Cheney revanchists on the far left. The sad thing isthat Obama wouldn't only stoop to agitating for the climate bill and worse with the health care the crazy lib Dems want, but now has chosen to go Code Pink with the torture issue. (Aside from wondering how likely it was that the earlier position Obama expressed in his Gitmo speech was a lie, the other question is why this highly political stunt was performed -- to distract from the health care problems, or as someone else wrote, to give the far left fringe a sop before additional likely problems and possible compromises on health care.)<br><br>As I said regarding my observation of Holder and Gore chatting during Kennedy's funeral, they probably had a good laugh (at the expense of decent people) at Obama saying this is Holder's action and even his decision -- "Barack probably won't say that he has 'no controlling authority, either! HA HA HA HA" Nothing stops the Bush-Cheney revanchists on the far left. The sad thing isthat Obama wouldn't only stoop to agitating for the climate bill and worse with the health care the crazy lib Dems want, but now has chosen to go Code Pink with the torture issue. (Aside from wondering how likely it was that the earlier position Obama expressed in his Gitmo speech was a lie, the other question is why this highly political stunt was performed — to distract from the health care problems, or as someone else wrote, to give the far left fringe a sop before additional likely problems and possible compromises on health care.)

As I said regarding my observation of Holder and Gore chatting during Kennedy's funeral, they probably had a good laugh (at the expense of decent people) at Obama saying this is Holder's action and even his decision — “Barack probably won't say that he has 'no controlling authority, either! HA HA HA HA”

]]> By: JSpencer http://themoderatevoice.com/44782/is-dick-cheney-writing-the-wapos-articles-now/comment-page-1/#comment-209955 JSpencer Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:04:26 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=44782#comment-209955 It strikes me that if we made morality the priority to begin with we wouldn't be debating any of this. It strikes me that if we made morality the priority to begin with we wouldn't be debating any of this.

]]> By: How A Terrorist Became An Asset http://themoderatevoice.com/44782/is-dick-cheney-writing-the-wapos-articles-now/comment-page-1/#comment-209954 How A Terrorist Became An Asset Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:46:40 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=44782#comment-209954 [...] the Washington Post has become the propaganda arm for the CIA and/or the Bush administration. (See this piece and its many assorted links for example). Too bad for them. They’ve always refused to be rational or fair about this [...] [...] the Washington Post has become the propaganda arm for the CIA and/or the Bush administration. (See this piece and its many assorted links for example). Too bad for them. They’ve always refused to be rational or fair about this [...]

]]> By: deanesmay http://themoderatevoice.com/44782/is-dick-cheney-writing-the-wapos-articles-now/comment-page-1/#comment-209941 deanesmay Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:37:18 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=44782#comment-209941 The "central issue" of so-called "torture" (leaving out the debate over whether most enhanced interrogation techniques really are torture, as opposed to hysterically and viciously and wrongly called torture) has not always been whether it's moral. Because the claim has been made, over and over by at least some, that it is ineffective and doesn't work. As we see, week after week, the evidence is in: yes, it does work, and yes it does save lives.<br><br>Therefore, now that we can dispense with the lie that it "doesn't work," we can move on and make the morality of it the central issue. And if so, then it becomes a moral debate over the best way to save lives and the most effective way to do that while causing minimal necessary suffering.<br><br>I'm happy to have that debate. I think it's healthy. Just so long as we can dispense with hyper-partisan lies like "it doesn't work" or that it's all about simply being morally depraved. Because from where I sit, those who claim that enhanced interrogation techniques are all torture (thus scaring someone is the same as taking a blowtorch to their face) and that such techniques are never acceptable no matter how many innocent lives are at stake, look themselves to be just about as morally depraved as anyone who happily advocates willy-nilly torture of any and all suspects.<br><br>It's time you folks who behave as if anything that makes someone remotely uncomfortable is a moral abomination have to answer for your own, quite arguably, morally depraved stance. The “central issue” of so-called “torture” (leaving out the debate over whether most enhanced interrogation techniques really are torture, as opposed to hysterically and viciously and wrongly called torture) has not always been whether it's moral. Because the claim has been made, over and over by at least some, that it is ineffective and doesn't work. As we see, week after week, the evidence is in: yes, it does work, and yes it does save lives.

Therefore, now that we can dispense with the lie that it “doesn't work,” we can move on and make the morality of it the central issue. And if so, then it becomes a moral debate over the best way to save lives and the most effective way to do that while causing minimal necessary suffering.

I'm happy to have that debate. I think it's healthy. Just so long as we can dispense with hyper-partisan lies like “it doesn't work” or that it's all about simply being morally depraved. Because from where I sit, those who claim that enhanced interrogation techniques are all torture (thus scaring someone is the same as taking a blowtorch to their face) and that such techniques are never acceptable no matter how many innocent lives are at stake, look themselves to be just about as morally depraved as anyone who happily advocates willy-nilly torture of any and all suspects.

It's time you folks who behave as if anything that makes someone remotely uncomfortable is a moral abomination have to answer for your own, quite arguably, morally depraved stance.

]]> By: Leonidas http://themoderatevoice.com/44782/is-dick-cheney-writing-the-wapos-articles-now/comment-page-1/#comment-209912 Leonidas Sun, 30 Aug 2009 08:19:07 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=44782#comment-209912 Don't worry Kathy you still got MSNBC and CNN.<br><br>Read a report from someone in the middle east saying how Al Jezera had a more favorable coverage of the US than those networks and the BBC. Don't worry Kathy you still got MSNBC and CNN.

Read a report from someone in the middle east saying how Al Jezera had a more favorable coverage of the US than those networks and the BBC.

]]> By: redbus http://themoderatevoice.com/44782/is-dick-cheney-writing-the-wapos-articles-now/comment-page-1/#comment-209898 redbus Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:21:26 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=44782#comment-209898 Kathy, you've made an excellent point on the "unnamed sources" issue. Here's an interesting article from the <i>Seattle Times</i> that talks about how rare this practice should be:<br><br><a href="http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20050612&slug=fancher12" rel="nofollow">Using unnamed resources</a> Kathy, you've made an excellent point on the “unnamed sources” issue. Here's an interesting article from the Seattle Times that talks about how rare this practice should be:

Using unnamed resources

]]> By: Silhouette http://themoderatevoice.com/44782/is-dick-cheney-writing-the-wapos-articles-now/comment-page-1/#comment-209871 Silhouette Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:23:47 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=44782#comment-209871 I agree, where are the links to sources that can be verified? Propaganda has a funny way of sneaking in if a story can't be cross-referenced...Citing sources is as american as apple pie. Good question Kathy. I agree, where are the links to sources that can be verified? Propaganda has a funny way of sneaking in if a story can't be cross-referenced…Citing sources is as american as apple pie. Good question Kathy.

]]> By: daveinboca http://themoderatevoice.com/44782/is-dick-cheney-writing-the-wapos-articles-now/comment-page-1/#comment-209869 daveinboca Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:13:35 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=44782#comment-209869 Looks like Kathy can't handle any facts that confound her Hate_America mindset. Actually, the sources are kept secret as a matter of policy to protect intelligence professionals from journalistic nasties like Glenn Greenwald [and his "ex-" Andy Sullivan]. The Inspector General's Report doesn't "directly contradict" the WaPo story, it contradicts GG & his ex-type pals INTERPRETATION of the IG Report.<br><br>And, IG Reports are written with a lot of artful language that ideologues and insincere agitpreppies like GG & KK deliberately overlook. And finally if you put the IG report on the same level as the IIM report on Iran which said in '04 that Iran had stopped tried to make nukes [which subsequent intelligence has proven false], the IG's ClA report didn't contradict the WaPo story, but was politicized to contradict the truth!<br><br><i>In Sweden (where there are no leftismo-über-nihilists)</i> Yeah, what ever happened to the guy who murdered Olaf Palme? Looks like Kathy can't handle any facts that confound her Hate_America mindset. Actually, the sources are kept secret as a matter of policy to protect intelligence professionals from journalistic nasties like Glenn Greenwald [and his "ex-" Andy Sullivan]. The Inspector General's Report doesn't “directly contradict” the WaPo story, it contradicts GG & his ex-type pals INTERPRETATION of the IG Report.

And, IG Reports are written with a lot of artful language that ideologues and insincere agitpreppies like GG & KK deliberately overlook. And finally if you put the IG report on the same level as the IIM report on Iran which said in '04 that Iran had stopped tried to make nukes [which subsequent intelligence has proven false], the IG's ClA report didn't contradict the WaPo story, but was politicized to contradict the truth!

In Sweden (where there are no leftismo-über-nihilists) Yeah, what ever happened to the guy who murdered Olaf Palme?

]]> By: JSpencer http://themoderatevoice.com/44782/is-dick-cheney-writing-the-wapos-articles-now/comment-page-1/#comment-209844 JSpencer Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:35:17 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=44782#comment-209844 Ah yes, let's just keep throwing that rotten meat to the jackals and see what sort of parady of a once halfway intelligent democracy we can turn this country into. The people who scream about patriotism the loudest seem to also be the same ones who are willing to rationalize the abandonment of human standards the quickest, and by doing so are turning any semblance of American honor into a sick joke. Ronald Reagan understood this, along with the rest of his generation, but this new breed of neo-rightwing fools don't have a clue. They are a noisy bunch though. Ah yes, let's just keep throwing that rotten meat to the jackals and see what sort of parady of a once halfway intelligent democracy we can turn this country into. The people who scream about patriotism the loudest seem to also be the same ones who are willing to rationalize the abandonment of human standards the quickest, and by doing so are turning any semblance of American honor into a sick joke. Ronald Reagan understood this, along with the rest of his generation, but this new breed of neo-rightwing fools don't have a clue. They are a noisy bunch though.

]]> By: Kastanj http://themoderatevoice.com/44782/is-dick-cheney-writing-the-wapos-articles-now/comment-page-1/#comment-209827 Kastanj Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:54:40 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=44782#comment-209827 Kathy Kathy Kathy, what your post-modernist relativist nazoleftist mind cannot comprehend is that laws can be changed under special circumstances! For example, when that guy mugged and beat me on September 11th, it was absolutely OK for me to threaten people with rape and subject other people I had a "good feeling" about (using my investigation skills - some people are just allowed to make such judgments) to very violent and dehumanizing treatment because that mugging changed everything and I didn't want it to happen again. And in Sweden (where there are no leftismo-nihilists) I get full support - half of our politicians and many in the media fully support my manly and brave strategy of self-defense and want to let bygones be bygones. If that bothers you meg-secularists I'll just tell you what I told my last vict- er, suspect (turns out he was innocent - bummer!): "Your resistance will only make this hurt more!" Kathy Kathy Kathy, what your post-modernist relativist nazoleftist mind cannot comprehend is that laws can be changed under special circumstances! For example, when that guy mugged and beat me on September 11th, it was absolutely OK for me to threaten people with rape and subject other people I had a “good feeling” about (using my investigation skills – some people are just allowed to make such judgments) to very violent and dehumanizing treatment because that mugging changed everything and I didn't want it to happen again. And in Sweden (where there are no leftismo-nihilists) I get full support – half of our politicians and many in the media fully support my manly and brave strategy of self-defense and want to let bygones be bygones. If that bothers you meg-secularists I'll just tell you what I told my last vict- er, suspect (turns out he was innocent – bummer!): “Your resistance will only make this hurt more!”

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