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		<title>By: Do-it-yourself Geothermal Cooling &#124; my Environment Concerns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Do-it-yourself Geothermal Cooling &#124; my Environment Concerns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Energy Net &#187; Top 100 Energy Stories (Aug 24th &#8211; 30th)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ricorun</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/44607/the-importance-of-geothermal-power/comment-page-1/#comment-209635</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricorun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not an engineer or anything, but I have spent quite a bit of time researching various renewable energy alternatives, including geothermal. Unfortunately, I haven&#039;t kept up for the last several months (I&#039;ve been too busy), so my information could be a bit dated. But it&#039;s a fascinating story, and one is hard pressed not to be optimistic if for no other reason than the potential is dramatic. Anyone who hasn&#039;t read that 2006 MIT report should (that 100 GW by 2050 figure only scratches the surface of what could eventually be available). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The progress that has been made over the last few years in developing &quot;closed loop&quot; geothermal resources (i.e., re-injecting recovered water back into the circuit), and employing dual cycle systems to operate at relatively low temperatures is very impressive. Add to that the fact that many of the recent advances in the natural gas industry that has led to a dramatic increase in provable, recoverable gas resources (e.g., horizontal drilling, artificial site stimulation, coatings and composites necessary to withstand highly corrosive environments) are at least theoretically applicable to geothermal applications as well. That&#039;s the good news. The bad news is that, as far as I know, the ability to identify productive sites with a high likelihood of success is still in its infancy. That is partially counter-acted by the fact that the oil and gas industries have provided enough information over the years to render many thus far un-tapped sites more or less no-brainers -- particularly in places like CA, NV, ID, UT, and AZ. So there&#039;s an obvious trajectory available for production, not to mention further research, at a reasonable cost. Nonetheless, drilling into those fields is still risky -- drilling a well is always an expensive proposition, and if it comes up dry, well, it&#039;s money down the drain (so to speak). And of course there&#039;s the possibility that stimulating a site will cause tectonic instability. But to my mind, if all it takes is stimulating a well-head to cause an earthquake, that earthquake was going to happen in relatively short order anyway. Think of the stresses involved as a constantly expanding balloon: the balloon will pop eventually, whether or not a pin (i.e., a stimulated well-head) is inserted in it beforehand. The difference, of course, is that the &quot;pin&quot; has a considerable amount of political fall-out associated it, lol!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At any rate, my impression is that it&#039;s still too early to tell how much of a contribution hot rock geothermal could make to the overall energy picture. It could be huge or it could be a niche. But either way, IMO, it&#039;s worth spending a reasonable amount of money to find out. I think Steven Chu has it exactly right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not an engineer or anything, but I have spent quite a bit of time researching various renewable energy alternatives, including geothermal. Unfortunately, I haven&#39;t kept up for the last several months (I&#39;ve been too busy), so my information could be a bit dated. But it&#39;s a fascinating story, and one is hard pressed not to be optimistic if for no other reason than the potential is dramatic. Anyone who hasn&#39;t read that 2006 MIT report should (that 100 GW by 2050 figure only scratches the surface of what could eventually be available). </p>
<p>The progress that has been made over the last few years in developing &#8220;closed loop&#8221; geothermal resources (i.e., re-injecting recovered water back into the circuit), and employing dual cycle systems to operate at relatively low temperatures is very impressive. Add to that the fact that many of the recent advances in the natural gas industry that has led to a dramatic increase in provable, recoverable gas resources (e.g., horizontal drilling, artificial site stimulation, coatings and composites necessary to withstand highly corrosive environments) are at least theoretically applicable to geothermal applications as well. That&#39;s the good news. The bad news is that, as far as I know, the ability to identify productive sites with a high likelihood of success is still in its infancy. That is partially counter-acted by the fact that the oil and gas industries have provided enough information over the years to render many thus far un-tapped sites more or less no-brainers &#8212; particularly in places like CA, NV, ID, UT, and AZ. So there&#39;s an obvious trajectory available for production, not to mention further research, at a reasonable cost. Nonetheless, drilling into those fields is still risky &#8212; drilling a well is always an expensive proposition, and if it comes up dry, well, it&#39;s money down the drain (so to speak). And of course there&#39;s the possibility that stimulating a site will cause tectonic instability. But to my mind, if all it takes is stimulating a well-head to cause an earthquake, that earthquake was going to happen in relatively short order anyway. Think of the stresses involved as a constantly expanding balloon: the balloon will pop eventually, whether or not a pin (i.e., a stimulated well-head) is inserted in it beforehand. The difference, of course, is that the &#8220;pin&#8221; has a considerable amount of political fall-out associated it, lol!</p>
<p>At any rate, my impression is that it&#39;s still too early to tell how much of a contribution hot rock geothermal could make to the overall energy picture. It could be huge or it could be a niche. But either way, IMO, it&#39;s worth spending a reasonable amount of money to find out. I think Steven Chu has it exactly right.</p>
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		<title>By: The Importance of Geothermal Power - The Moderate Voice</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Residential solar energy &#8211; The Importance of Geothermal Power &#8211; The Moderate Voice &#124; solar-energy-fox.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Residential solar energy &#8211; The Importance of Geothermal Power &#8211; The Moderate Voice &#124; solar-energy-fox.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] John Malone, a VP/Senior Analyst with John S. Herold , an energy investment research firm in Connecticut, is a Truman National Security Project fellow. In the world of renewables, most of the attention is on the wind and the sun. Geothermal power more  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/44607/the-importance-of-geothermal-power/comment-page-1/#comment-209354</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a while, underground housing was in vogue -- I recall literature that now can be found on used book store shelves (I think here in Detroit and definitely in DC metro).  (I kept this in mind when I envisioned the hypothetical relocation of the federal government to Oklahoma City, likely close to the 2100 mean center of population, and in the heart of the tornado and hail zone.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now consider an underground building (whose temperature the Earth moderates) with geothermal temperature control (heating and climate control system) added.  That&#039;s real geothermal living!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a while, underground housing was in vogue &#8212; I recall literature that now can be found on used book store shelves (I think here in Detroit and definitely in DC metro).  (I kept this in mind when I envisioned the hypothetical relocation of the federal government to Oklahoma City, likely close to the 2100 mean center of population, and in the heart of the tornado and hail zone.)</p>
<p>Now consider an underground building (whose temperature the Earth moderates) with geothermal temperature control (heating and climate control system) added.  That&#39;s real geothermal living!</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s possible to use thermal mass coupled with a heat pump, which in our climate helps when you&#039;re trying to absorb heat from frigid air. Much easier to use the warmer earth to draw heat from.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In this case, though, it&#039;s simply a pair of pipes, one intake and one exhaust, going through a heat exchanger, for 95% heat recovery. Take a look at the poster (PDF) for more detail. Very clever:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ecofuturesbuilding.com/files/active/0/Solar%2520Harvest%2520Poster.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ecofuturesbuilding.com/files/active/...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#39;s possible to use thermal mass coupled with a heat pump, which in our climate helps when you&#39;re trying to absorb heat from frigid air. Much easier to use the warmer earth to draw heat from.</p>
<p>In this case, though, it&#39;s simply a pair of pipes, one intake and one exhaust, going through a heat exchanger, for 95% heat recovery. Take a look at the poster (PDF) for more detail. Very clever:<br /><a href="http://www.ecofuturesbuilding.com/files/active/0/Solar%2520Harvest%2520Poster.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecofuturesbuilding.com/files/active/&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: mikkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is poor discrimination between the techniques, normally &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;heat pump&quot;&lt;/a&gt; is added to the temperature control system (although it also helps cool, so just having heat in there is a misnomer).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is poor discrimination between the techniques, normally <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump" rel="nofollow">&#8220;heat pump&#8221;</a> is added to the temperature control system (although it also helps cool, so just having heat in there is a misnomer).</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there may be a different term for geothermal that uses the earth&#039;s thermal mass for heating and cooling, but it&#039;s contribution could be even greater than centralized geothermal and it is available everywhere. A friend of mine has built a net zero energy home that uses a geothermal exchange to preheat and precool incoming outside air through 260 ft of 6&quot; pipe 6-8 ft down. When it&#039;s 4 degrees outside, incoming air is 40 degrees, fairly easy to heat. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ecofuturesbuilding.com/taxonomy_menu/1/26&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ecofuturesbuilding.com/taxonomy_menu...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there may be a different term for geothermal that uses the earth&#39;s thermal mass for heating and cooling, but it&#39;s contribution could be even greater than centralized geothermal and it is available everywhere. A friend of mine has built a net zero energy home that uses a geothermal exchange to preheat and precool incoming outside air through 260 ft of 6&#8243; pipe 6-8 ft down. When it&#39;s 4 degrees outside, incoming air is 40 degrees, fairly easy to heat. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ecofuturesbuilding.com/taxonomy_menu/1/26" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecofuturesbuilding.com/taxonomy_menu&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a side note, there&#039;s some geothermal power being generated on the Big Island of Hawaii currently. There&#039;s talk naturally about expanding it, but it runs into controversy with some native Hawaiian groups who consider it an attack on Pele. When I first heard the notion, to be honest, I was somewhat... taken aback, let&#039;s say. But then I realized it&#039;s sort of like saying, &quot;we want to drill in Arlington National Cemetery,&quot; or &quot;there&#039;s an energy source in Cathedral Notre Dame.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No great implications to this story; just an interesting tidbit from out here in the pacific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a side note, there&#39;s some geothermal power being generated on the Big Island of Hawaii currently. There&#39;s talk naturally about expanding it, but it runs into controversy with some native Hawaiian groups who consider it an attack on Pele. When I first heard the notion, to be honest, I was somewhat&#8230; taken aback, let&#39;s say. But then I realized it&#39;s sort of like saying, &#8220;we want to drill in Arlington National Cemetery,&#8221; or &#8220;there&#39;s an energy source in Cathedral Notre Dame.&#8221;</p>
<p>No great implications to this story; just an interesting tidbit from out here in the pacific.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Geothermal is clean, and it certainly should be used where it can be, but overall it is not an answer to our needs. There just aren&#039;t enough locations to provide enough energy to make it one. The same can be said of tidal energy.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These problems are shared as well by wind (which, also, is intermittent, another defect) and hydro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Geothermal is clean, and it certainly should be used where it can be, but overall it is not an answer to our needs. There just aren&#39;t enough locations to provide enough energy to make it one. The same can be said of tidal energy.&#8221;</p>
<p>These problems are shared as well by wind (which, also, is intermittent, another defect) and hydro.</p>
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		<title>By: DD5</title>
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		<dc:creator>DD5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slamfu, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Check your units.  That&#039;s 100,000 MW of capacity, not generation. The U.S. consumes about 3.6 trillion kWh according to EIA.  100,000 MW of capacity running at 95% capacity factor would generate ~ 832.2 billion kWh, or roughly 20% of US consumption.  That&#039;s roughly the current share of nuclear power, which operates a little over 100,000 MW of capacity in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slamfu, </p>
<p>Check your units.  That&#39;s 100,000 MW of capacity, not generation. The U.S. consumes about 3.6 trillion kWh according to EIA.  100,000 MW of capacity running at 95% capacity factor would generate ~ 832.2 billion kWh, or roughly 20% of US consumption.  That&#39;s roughly the current share of nuclear power, which operates a little over 100,000 MW of capacity in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Slamfu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slamfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The potential for EGS in the U.S. is enormous. A 2006 MIT report concluded it could provide 100,000 MW of power by 2050.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The US currently consumes about 4 Trillion watts as of 2008.    So even if this hypothetical value does get reached by 2050 and our consumption stays the same, your looking at an answer to 2.5% of our power needs.   Geothermal is clean, and it certainly should be used where it can be, but overall it is not an answer to our needs.  There just aren&#039;t enough locations to provide enough energy to make it one.   The same can be said of tidal energy.   Both solutions are side dishes to the clean energy problem, not the main course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The potential for EGS in the U.S. is enormous. A 2006 MIT report concluded it could provide 100,000 MW of power by 2050.&#8221;</p>
<p>The US currently consumes about 4 Trillion watts as of 2008.    So even if this hypothetical value does get reached by 2050 and our consumption stays the same, your looking at an answer to 2.5% of our power needs.   Geothermal is clean, and it certainly should be used where it can be, but overall it is not an answer to our needs.  There just aren&#39;t enough locations to provide enough energy to make it one.   The same can be said of tidal energy.   Both solutions are side dishes to the clean energy problem, not the main course.</p>
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