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	<title>Comments on: Ted Kennedy and Mary Jo Kopechne</title>
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		<title>By: jeanLorelle</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/44426/ted-kennedy-and-mary-jo-kopechne/comment-page-3/#comment-210918</link>
		<dc:creator>jeanLorelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...a bit like George W&#039;s awall.</description>
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		<title>By: jeanLorelle</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/44426/ted-kennedy-and-mary-jo-kopechne/comment-page-3/#comment-210915</link>
		<dc:creator>jeanLorelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about redemption?  I continually marvel at how many Christians today ignore the actual teachings of Jesus.  As I recall, you could sin and redeem yourself...The one thing I know about Ted Kennedy is that he was a staunch supporter of the poor and disenfranchised - the core of Jesus&#039; teachings.  He upheld this as a goal steadfastly even though he didn&#039;t have to...he was able to do so because he was rich enough to fund his own campaigns and guaranteed re-election year after year - enabling him to vote his conscience rather than the will of corporate America. So, ask yourselves, what have you done for the poor?  Are you, like most Americans, happy to have your foot in the face of your fellow man, just to get ahead?  Our empire is ending because Americans today no longer work towards common goals to better one another..but instead only work toward ends that benefit themselves.  No empire can support itself with this philosophy.  Farewell to one politician who felt that the whole was more important than the &quot;me,me, me&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about redemption?  I continually marvel at how many Christians today ignore the actual teachings of Jesus.  As I recall, you could sin and redeem yourself&#8230;The one thing I know about Ted Kennedy is that he was a staunch supporter of the poor and disenfranchised &#8211; the core of Jesus&#39; teachings.  He upheld this as a goal steadfastly even though he didn&#39;t have to&#8230;he was able to do so because he was rich enough to fund his own campaigns and guaranteed re-election year after year &#8211; enabling him to vote his conscience rather than the will of corporate America. So, ask yourselves, what have you done for the poor?  Are you, like most Americans, happy to have your foot in the face of your fellow man, just to get ahead?  Our empire is ending because Americans today no longer work towards common goals to better one another..but instead only work toward ends that benefit themselves.  No empire can support itself with this philosophy.  Farewell to one politician who felt that the whole was more important than the &#8220;me,me, me&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: jeanLorelle</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/44426/ted-kennedy-and-mary-jo-kopechne/comment-page-3/#comment-210913</link>
		<dc:creator>jeanLorelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about redemption?  I continually marvel at how many Christians today ignore the actual teachings of Jesus.  As I recall, you could sin and redeem yourself...The one thing I know about Ted Kennedy is that he was a staunch supporter of the poor and disenfranchised - the core of Jesus&#039; teachings.  He upheld this as a goal steadfastly even though he didn&#039;t have to...he was able to do so because he was rich enough to fund his own campaigns and guaranteed re-election year after year - enabling him to vote his conscience rather than the will of corporate America. So, ask yourselves, what have you done for the poor?  Are you, like most Americans, happy to have your foot in the face of your fellow man, just to get ahead?  Our empire is ending because Americans today no longer work towards common goals to better one another..but instead only work toward ends that benefit themselves.  No empire can support itself with this philosophy.  Farewell to one politician who felt that the whole was more important than the &quot;me,me, me&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about redemption?  I continually marvel at how many Christians today ignore the actual teachings of Jesus.  As I recall, you could sin and redeem yourself&#8230;The one thing I know about Ted Kennedy is that he was a staunch supporter of the poor and disenfranchised &#8211; the core of Jesus&#39; teachings.  He upheld this as a goal steadfastly even though he didn&#39;t have to&#8230;he was able to do so because he was rich enough to fund his own campaigns and guaranteed re-election year after year &#8211; enabling him to vote his conscience rather than the will of corporate America. So, ask yourselves, what have you done for the poor?  Are you, like most Americans, happy to have your foot in the face of your fellow man, just to get ahead?  Our empire is ending because Americans today no longer work towards common goals to better one another..but instead only work toward ends that benefit themselves.  No empire can support itself with this philosophy.  Farewell to one politician who felt that the whole was more important than the &#8220;me,me, me&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: lutherdavis</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/44426/ted-kennedy-and-mary-jo-kopechne/comment-page-3/#comment-210875</link>
		<dc:creator>lutherdavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t forget about JFK, BOBBY, and Schrivers  visit to Marilyn Monroe very shortly before her death !!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#39;t forget about JFK, BOBBY, and Schrivers  visit to Marilyn Monroe very shortly before her death !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: ragzamuffin</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/44426/ted-kennedy-and-mary-jo-kopechne/comment-page-3/#comment-209973</link>
		<dc:creator>ragzamuffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing of note about JFK and Senator Kennedy is that despite their wealth and despite being raised by a power monger father they were both Democrats and championed the disadvantaged.  This is not the same as a yearly donation to a charity but a lifetime of work at least in the Senator&#039;s case.  Perhaps they both were driven to ameliorate the sins of the father at least in business.  As for their treatment of women it&#039;s strange that they did somehow avenge the treatment of their sister Rosemary.  Or did they and I don&#039;t know what it was.  Like &quot;Rachel&quot; said about burning in hell..I think that is best left to the divine.  San</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing of note about JFK and Senator Kennedy is that despite their wealth and despite being raised by a power monger father they were both Democrats and championed the disadvantaged.  This is not the same as a yearly donation to a charity but a lifetime of work at least in the Senator&#39;s case.  Perhaps they both were driven to ameliorate the sins of the father at least in business.  As for their treatment of women it&#39;s strange that they did somehow avenge the treatment of their sister Rosemary.  Or did they and I don&#39;t know what it was.  Like &#8220;Rachel&#8221; said about burning in hell..I think that is best left to the divine.  San</p>
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		<title>By: skepticgriggsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>skepticgriggsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sen. Kennedy&#039;s justified position as a moral leader will forever exhume his role in the Senate. Pres. Obama with V.P. Biden and Sec&#039;y. Sebellius will attain the health plan named after him.His self-admitted shame hangs  over his legacy. As Dr. Albert Ellis observes in &quot; The Myth of Self-Esteem,&quot; most of us are none great heroes or great villains.. Read this   book and also Dr. Robert Price&#039;s &quot; The Reason- Driven Life,&quot; to fathom how to be a better you! The senator was no hater as Ellis would so commend and he followed reason in his politics and sometimes in his personal life. He, on the whole , was a worthy role model. May his detractors practice perspective!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sen. Kennedy&#39;s justified position as a moral leader will forever exhume his role in the Senate. Pres. Obama with V.P. Biden and Sec&#39;y. Sebellius will attain the health plan named after him.His self-admitted shame hangs  over his legacy. As Dr. Albert Ellis observes in &#8221; The Myth of Self-Esteem,&#8221; most of us are none great heroes or great villains.. Read this   book and also Dr. Robert Price&#39;s &#8221; The Reason- Driven Life,&#8221; to fathom how to be a better you! The senator was no hater as Ellis would so commend and he followed reason in his politics and sometimes in his personal life. He, on the whole , was a worthy role model. May his detractors practice perspective!</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel_Snyder</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/44426/ted-kennedy-and-mary-jo-kopechne/comment-page-3/#comment-209933</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel_Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand why many of the people posting on here have such a negative view of the late Senator. Personally, I feel that he did a lot of good in his life, but am not convinced that that &quot;makes up&quot; for the death of a young woman, or if anything ever could. I guess I take the view that he did some things that were better, and at least one thing that was far worse, than anything most of us will ever do, but I can understand why others may not share that view. What I cannot understand is how anyone with an ounce of decency (or for that matter, sanity) can declare definitively that someone had no soul, or that they hope another human being is &quot;burning in hell.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand why many of the people posting on here have such a negative view of the late Senator. Personally, I feel that he did a lot of good in his life, but am not convinced that that &#8220;makes up&#8221; for the death of a young woman, or if anything ever could. I guess I take the view that he did some things that were better, and at least one thing that was far worse, than anything most of us will ever do, but I can understand why others may not share that view. What I cannot understand is how anyone with an ounce of decency (or for that matter, sanity) can declare definitively that someone had no soul, or that they hope another human being is &#8220;burning in hell.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ragzamuffin</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/44426/ted-kennedy-and-mary-jo-kopechne/comment-page-3/#comment-209855</link>
		<dc:creator>ragzamuffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rest in Peace Mary Jo and Senator Kennedy, inextricably linked for eternity.  You leave behind us mere mortals to judge your tragedy and reassure ourselves that we will continue our lives of exemplary behavior, continued prayers for your souls and activism that will solve this injustice for future generations.  San</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rest in Peace Mary Jo and Senator Kennedy, inextricably linked for eternity.  You leave behind us mere mortals to judge your tragedy and reassure ourselves that we will continue our lives of exemplary behavior, continued prayers for your souls and activism that will solve this injustice for future generations.  San</p>
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		<title>By: jbrown2009</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/44426/ted-kennedy-and-mary-jo-kopechne/comment-page-3/#comment-209836</link>
		<dc:creator>jbrown2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good?</description>
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		<title>By: mariaycorazon</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/44426/ted-kennedy-and-mary-jo-kopechne/comment-page-3/#comment-209734</link>
		<dc:creator>mariaycorazon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this whole conversation here very disturbing. I guess many of the people commenting on this stream are qualified to be the judge and jury of other people&#039;s transgressions. Not only are some expert in our judicial system and its failings they are also qualified to play God and to condemn others to hell. I think the comments posted here say more about the people making the comments than they do about Senator Kennedy. May he rest in peace and God bless him for a lifetime devoted to the redemption of his human frailties, sins, crimes, and everything else he may have committed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this whole conversation here very disturbing. I guess many of the people commenting on this stream are qualified to be the judge and jury of other people&#39;s transgressions. Not only are some expert in our judicial system and its failings they are also qualified to play God and to condemn others to hell. I think the comments posted here say more about the people making the comments than they do about Senator Kennedy. May he rest in peace and God bless him for a lifetime devoted to the redemption of his human frailties, sins, crimes, and everything else he may have committed.</p>
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		<title>By: fitzy06</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/44426/ted-kennedy-and-mary-jo-kopechne/comment-page-3/#comment-209718</link>
		<dc:creator>fitzy06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 05:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I did not respect him and was never fooled into thinking he was some kind of grand statesman. He wasn&#039;t. I am happy to finally be rid of the far left and poisonous influence of the Kennedy family in national politics. This was one dysfunctional family and simply not worthy of the adulation from the American public. In fact, there are plenty of examples of odious Kennedy&#039;s romping across the scene - just Google the family and you&#039;ll find all kinds of bad behavior.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve quoted the meat and potatoes of what I agree with most in your post.  VERY well said sir, and may vigilant Americans now focus their eyes on the likes of the horrid, leftist surrenderist appeasing cowards, with the same effite, elitist arrogance that the afforementioned Kennedy person had:  To wit: Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.  Disgusting disgraces and shit stains on the white briefs of politics and public policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I did not respect him and was never fooled into thinking he was some kind of grand statesman. He wasn&#39;t. I am happy to finally be rid of the far left and poisonous influence of the Kennedy family in national politics. This was one dysfunctional family and simply not worthy of the adulation from the American public. In fact, there are plenty of examples of odious Kennedy&#39;s romping across the scene &#8211; just Google the family and you&#39;ll find all kinds of bad behavior.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#39;ve quoted the meat and potatoes of what I agree with most in your post.  VERY well said sir, and may vigilant Americans now focus their eyes on the likes of the horrid, leftist surrenderist appeasing cowards, with the same effite, elitist arrogance that the afforementioned Kennedy person had:  To wit: Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.  Disgusting disgraces and shit stains on the white briefs of politics and public policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaws Drop: Huff-Po Wonders If Mary Jo Kopechne Would &#8216;Feel It Was Worth It&#8217; &#124; linkthe.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaws Drop: Huff-Po Wonders If Mary Jo Kopechne Would &#8216;Feel It Was Worth It&#8217; &#124; linkthe.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ted Kennedy and Mary Jo Kopechne (themoderatevoice.com) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Former Newsweek Foreign Editor: Chappaquiddick One of Ted&#8217;s &#8216;Favorite Topics of Humor&#8217; &#124; linkthe.com</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/44426/ted-kennedy-and-mary-jo-kopechne/comment-page-3/#comment-209606</link>
		<dc:creator>Former Newsweek Foreign Editor: Chappaquiddick One of Ted&#8217;s &#8216;Favorite Topics of Humor&#8217; &#124; linkthe.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ted Kennedy and Mary Jo Kopechne (themoderatevoice.com) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ztownric</title>
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		<dc:creator>ztownric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>couldn&#039;t agree more...bravo!</description>
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		<title>By: ztownric</title>
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		<dc:creator>ztownric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can relate to conflicting reports, and in this case...it appears all the parties involved with the incident are intentionally making it so.  It is sad that a young woman in her prime had to lose her life in the ordeal, and no matter what the actual facts are...that will not change.  btw...I do have a tendency to be a little heated (and some humor with sarcasm) with my thoughts, so hope no offense was taken...none was meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can relate to conflicting reports, and in this case&#8230;it appears all the parties involved with the incident are intentionally making it so.  It is sad that a young woman in her prime had to lose her life in the ordeal, and no matter what the actual facts are&#8230;that will not change.  btw&#8230;I do have a tendency to be a little heated (and some humor with sarcasm) with my thoughts, so hope no offense was taken&#8230;none was meant.</p>
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		<title>By: ztownric</title>
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		<dc:creator>ztownric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makers Mark...fine selection indeed...wish I had been there to enjoy the toast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makers Mark&#8230;fine selection indeed&#8230;wish I had been there to enjoy the toast.</p>
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		<title>By: fitzy06</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/44426/ted-kennedy-and-mary-jo-kopechne/comment-page-3/#comment-209423</link>
		<dc:creator>fitzy06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, after reflection and cooler headed thinking, I agree....I allowed my political views, which are a complete 180 from Ted&#039;s to interfere with my thinking.....plus, I think, a wee nip or two too much of Makers Mark last night......I hereby back off and stand corrected.....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;________________________________</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, after reflection and cooler headed thinking, I agree&#8230;.I allowed my political views, which are a complete 180 from Ted&#39;s to interfere with my thinking&#8230;..plus, I think, a wee nip or two too much of Makers Mark last night&#8230;&#8230;I hereby back off and stand corrected&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: ken1950</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/44426/ted-kennedy-and-mary-jo-kopechne/comment-page-3/#comment-209384</link>
		<dc:creator>ken1950</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I was agreeing with you that some verification of the &quot;facts&quot; &lt;br&gt;needs to be done.  That is why I posted the link...as I knew it made mention &lt;br&gt;of a lot of conflicting information which was in conflict with some of the &lt;br&gt;reports that I had read prior to posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I was agreeing with you that some verification of the &#8220;facts&#8221; <br />needs to be done.  That is why I posted the link&#8230;as I knew it made mention <br />of a lot of conflicting information which was in conflict with some of the <br />reports that I had read prior to posting.</p>
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		<title>By: devilsadvocate87</title>
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		<dc:creator>devilsadvocate87</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for providing me with information that I was not aware of prior to my post. I based my assumptions, like most here did, without many details to the event, just heresay and speculation. If those were indeed the details in the medical examiners record then the likelyhood of her struggling to survive are pretty high. However, I didn&#039;t select the name &quot;devilsadvocate87&quot; to complacentely agree so allow me to present this scenario. If she was unconciuous and unbuckled in the front seat, as I threw out as a &quot;possiblity&quot;, when the car sank nose first and the murky waters filled the cab couldn&#039;t her own bouyancy float her from the front seat to the back? A bouyant object will float toward the surface and in this case the &quot;surface&quot; was located in the rear of the Oldsmobile&#039;s cabin.&lt;br&gt;  Once again, I am not Democrat or Republican nor am I conservative or liberal. I honestly think the Senator should have served time solely based on the admission of heavy drinking being a contributing factor to this accident. If anyone else was drinking and driving and had been involved in an accident that resulted in the death of another human being, they would be locked up. However, even that admission may not have been enough to warrant a stiff sentence as some of the laws and penalties of the day were  very different and in some instances a mere slap on the wrist by comparison to todays standards, especially as it pertained to the wealthy and priveledged. &lt;br&gt;  I bear no ill will towards the man, nor do I hold him in high esteem as some here do. Furthermore, I have to agree with your statement had this been one of my four daughters I might not be so open-minded, but the fact that it wasn&#039;t allows me some room to be objective and not let emotion cloud my thought process to the different possibilities surrounding the circumstances of her last few moments. Perhaps one of my possibilities may have occured that dark cold night and maybe, just maybe, God let this unfortunate soul enter in to his eternal kingdom blissfully unaware of her passing. We can only hope...just a thought.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;________________________________</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for providing me with information that I was not aware of prior to my post. I based my assumptions, like most here did, without many details to the event, just heresay and speculation. If those were indeed the details in the medical examiners record then the likelyhood of her struggling to survive are pretty high. However, I didn&#39;t select the name &#8220;devilsadvocate87&#8243; to complacentely agree so allow me to present this scenario. If she was unconciuous and unbuckled in the front seat, as I threw out as a &#8220;possiblity&#8221;, when the car sank nose first and the murky waters filled the cab couldn&#39;t her own bouyancy float her from the front seat to the back? A bouyant object will float toward the surface and in this case the &#8220;surface&#8221; was located in the rear of the Oldsmobile&#39;s cabin.<br />  Once again, I am not Democrat or Republican nor am I conservative or liberal. I honestly think the Senator should have served time solely based on the admission of heavy drinking being a contributing factor to this accident. If anyone else was drinking and driving and had been involved in an accident that resulted in the death of another human being, they would be locked up. However, even that admission may not have been enough to warrant a stiff sentence as some of the laws and penalties of the day were  very different and in some instances a mere slap on the wrist by comparison to todays standards, especially as it pertained to the wealthy and priveledged. <br />  I bear no ill will towards the man, nor do I hold him in high esteem as some here do. Furthermore, I have to agree with your statement had this been one of my four daughters I might not be so open-minded, but the fact that it wasn&#39;t allows me some room to be objective and not let emotion cloud my thought process to the different possibilities surrounding the circumstances of her last few moments. Perhaps one of my possibilities may have occured that dark cold night and maybe, just maybe, God let this unfortunate soul enter in to his eternal kingdom blissfully unaware of her passing. We can only hope&#8230;just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: ztownric</title>
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		<description>As for some theories...this one probably makes the most sense of all....at least in my opinion.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here is what happened according to Robert Cutler&#039;s (You the Jury - 1974) analysis of the evidence. The Group ( a political power group explained in the book)  hired several men and at least one woman to be at Chappaquiddick during the weekend of the yacht race and the planned party on the island. They ambushed Ted and Mary Jo after they left the cottage and knocked Ted out with blows to his head and body. They took the unconscious or semi-conscious Kennedy to Martha&#039;s Vineyard and deposited him in his hotel room. Another group took Mary Jo to the bridge in Ted&#039;s car, force fed her with a knock out potion of alcoholic beverage, placed her in the back seat, and caused the car to accelerate off the side of the bridge into the water. They broke the windows on one side of the car to insure the entry of water; then they watched the car until they were sure Mary Jo would not escape.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mary Jo actually regained consciousness and pushed her way to the top of the car (which was actually the bottom of the car - it had landed on its roof) and died from asphyxiation. The group with Teddy revived him early in the morning and let him know he had a problem. Possibly they told him that Mary Jo had been kidnapped. They told him his children would be killed if he told anyone what had happened and that he would hear from them. On Chappaquiddick, the other group made contact with Markham and Gargan, Ted&#039;s cousin and lawyer. They told both men that Mary Jo was at the bottom of the river and that Ted would have to make up a story about it, not revealing the existence of the group. One of the men resembled Ted and his voice sounded something like Ted&#039;s. Markham and Gargan were instructed to go the the Vineyard on the morning ferry, tell Ted where Mary Jo was, and come back to the island to wait for a phone call at a pay station near the ferry on the Chappaquiddick side.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The two men did as they were told and Ted found out what had happened to Mary Jo that morning. The three men returned to the pay phone and received their instructions to concoct a story about the &quot;accident&quot; and to report it to the police. The threat against Ted&#039;s children was repeated at that time.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ted, Markham and Gargan went right away to police chief Arena&#039;s office on the Vineyard where Ted reported the so-called &quot;accident.&quot; Almost at the same time scuba diver John Farror was pulling Mary Jo out of the water, since two boys who had gone fishing earlier that morning had spotted the car and reported it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ted called together a small coterie of friends and advisors including family lawyer Burke Marshall, Robert MacNamara, Ted Sorenson, and others. They met on Squaw Island near the Kennedy compound at Hyannisport for three days. At the end of that time they had manufactured the story which Ted told on TV, and later at the inquest. Bob Cutler calls the story, &quot;the shroud.&quot; Even the most cursory examination of the story shows it was full of holes and an impossible explanation of what happened. Ted&#039;s claim that he made the wrong turn down the dirt road toward the bridge by mistake is an obvious lie. His claim that he swam the channel back to Martha&#039;s Vineyard is not believable. His description of how he got out of the car under water and then dove down to try to rescue Mary Jo is impossible. Markham and Gargan&#039;s claims that they kept diving after Mary Jo are also unbelievable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The evidence for the Cutler scenario is substantial. It begins with the marks on the bridge and the position of the car in the water. The marks show that the car was standing still on the bridge and then accelerated off the edge, moving at a much higher speed than Kennedy claimed. The distance the car travelled in the air also confirms this. The damage to the car on two sides and on top plus the damage to the windshield and the rear view mirror stanchion prove that some of the damage had to have been inflicted before the car left the bridge.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The blood on the back and on the sleeves of Mary Jo&#039;s blouse proves that a wound was inflicted before she left the bridge. The alcohol in her bloodstream proves she was drugged, since all witnesses testified she never drank and did not drink that night. The fact that she was in the back seat when her body was recovered indicates that is where she was when the car hit the water. There was no way she could have dived downward against the inrushing water and moved from the front to the back seat underneath the upside-down seat back.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The wounds on the back of Ted Kennedy&#039;s skull, those just above his ear and the large bump on the top indicate he was knocked out. His actions at the hotel the next morning show he was not aware of Mary Jo&#039;s death until Markham and Gargan arrived. The trip to the pay phone on Chappaquiddick can only be explained by his receiving a call there, not making one. There were plenty of pay phones in or near Ted&#039;s hotel if he needed to make a private call. The tides in the channel and the direction in which Ted claimed he swam do not match. In addition it would have been a superhuman feat to have made it across the channel (as proven by several professionals who subsequently tried it).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Deputy Sheriff Christopher Look&#039;s testimony, coupled with the testimony of Ray LaRosa and two Lyons girls, proves that there were two people in Ted&#039;s car with Mary Jo at 12:45 pm. The three party members walking along the road south toward the cottage confirmed the time that Mr. Look drove by. He stopped to ask if they needed a ride. Look says that just prior to that he encountered Ted&#039;s car parked facing north at the juncture of the main road and the dirt road. It was on a short extension of the north-south section of the road junction to the north of the &quot;T&quot;. He says he saw a man driving, a woman in the seat beside him, and what he thought was another woman lying on the back seat. He remembered a portion of the license plate which matched Ted&#039;s car, as did the description of the car. Markham, Gargan and Ted&#039;s driver&#039;s testimony show that someone they talked to in the pitch black night sounded like Ted and was about his height and build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for some theories&#8230;this one probably makes the most sense of all&#8230;.at least in my opinion.</p>
<p>Here is what happened according to Robert Cutler&#39;s (You the Jury &#8211; 1974) analysis of the evidence. The Group ( a political power group explained in the book)  hired several men and at least one woman to be at Chappaquiddick during the weekend of the yacht race and the planned party on the island. They ambushed Ted and Mary Jo after they left the cottage and knocked Ted out with blows to his head and body. They took the unconscious or semi-conscious Kennedy to Martha&#39;s Vineyard and deposited him in his hotel room. Another group took Mary Jo to the bridge in Ted&#39;s car, force fed her with a knock out potion of alcoholic beverage, placed her in the back seat, and caused the car to accelerate off the side of the bridge into the water. They broke the windows on one side of the car to insure the entry of water; then they watched the car until they were sure Mary Jo would not escape.</p>
<p>Mary Jo actually regained consciousness and pushed her way to the top of the car (which was actually the bottom of the car &#8211; it had landed on its roof) and died from asphyxiation. The group with Teddy revived him early in the morning and let him know he had a problem. Possibly they told him that Mary Jo had been kidnapped. They told him his children would be killed if he told anyone what had happened and that he would hear from them. On Chappaquiddick, the other group made contact with Markham and Gargan, Ted&#39;s cousin and lawyer. They told both men that Mary Jo was at the bottom of the river and that Ted would have to make up a story about it, not revealing the existence of the group. One of the men resembled Ted and his voice sounded something like Ted&#39;s. Markham and Gargan were instructed to go the the Vineyard on the morning ferry, tell Ted where Mary Jo was, and come back to the island to wait for a phone call at a pay station near the ferry on the Chappaquiddick side.</p>
<p>The two men did as they were told and Ted found out what had happened to Mary Jo that morning. The three men returned to the pay phone and received their instructions to concoct a story about the &#8220;accident&#8221; and to report it to the police. The threat against Ted&#39;s children was repeated at that time.</p>
<p>Ted, Markham and Gargan went right away to police chief Arena&#39;s office on the Vineyard where Ted reported the so-called &#8220;accident.&#8221; Almost at the same time scuba diver John Farror was pulling Mary Jo out of the water, since two boys who had gone fishing earlier that morning had spotted the car and reported it.</p>
<p>Ted called together a small coterie of friends and advisors including family lawyer Burke Marshall, Robert MacNamara, Ted Sorenson, and others. They met on Squaw Island near the Kennedy compound at Hyannisport for three days. At the end of that time they had manufactured the story which Ted told on TV, and later at the inquest. Bob Cutler calls the story, &#8220;the shroud.&#8221; Even the most cursory examination of the story shows it was full of holes and an impossible explanation of what happened. Ted&#39;s claim that he made the wrong turn down the dirt road toward the bridge by mistake is an obvious lie. His claim that he swam the channel back to Martha&#39;s Vineyard is not believable. His description of how he got out of the car under water and then dove down to try to rescue Mary Jo is impossible. Markham and Gargan&#39;s claims that they kept diving after Mary Jo are also unbelievable.</p>
<p>The evidence for the Cutler scenario is substantial. It begins with the marks on the bridge and the position of the car in the water. The marks show that the car was standing still on the bridge and then accelerated off the edge, moving at a much higher speed than Kennedy claimed. The distance the car travelled in the air also confirms this. The damage to the car on two sides and on top plus the damage to the windshield and the rear view mirror stanchion prove that some of the damage had to have been inflicted before the car left the bridge.</p>
<p>The blood on the back and on the sleeves of Mary Jo&#39;s blouse proves that a wound was inflicted before she left the bridge. The alcohol in her bloodstream proves she was drugged, since all witnesses testified she never drank and did not drink that night. The fact that she was in the back seat when her body was recovered indicates that is where she was when the car hit the water. There was no way she could have dived downward against the inrushing water and moved from the front to the back seat underneath the upside-down seat back.</p>
<p>The wounds on the back of Ted Kennedy&#39;s skull, those just above his ear and the large bump on the top indicate he was knocked out. His actions at the hotel the next morning show he was not aware of Mary Jo&#39;s death until Markham and Gargan arrived. The trip to the pay phone on Chappaquiddick can only be explained by his receiving a call there, not making one. There were plenty of pay phones in or near Ted&#39;s hotel if he needed to make a private call. The tides in the channel and the direction in which Ted claimed he swam do not match. In addition it would have been a superhuman feat to have made it across the channel (as proven by several professionals who subsequently tried it).</p>
<p>Deputy Sheriff Christopher Look&#39;s testimony, coupled with the testimony of Ray LaRosa and two Lyons girls, proves that there were two people in Ted&#39;s car with Mary Jo at 12:45 pm. The three party members walking along the road south toward the cottage confirmed the time that Mr. Look drove by. He stopped to ask if they needed a ride. Look says that just prior to that he encountered Ted&#39;s car parked facing north at the juncture of the main road and the dirt road. It was on a short extension of the north-south section of the road junction to the north of the &#8220;T&#8221;. He says he saw a man driving, a woman in the seat beside him, and what he thought was another woman lying on the back seat. He remembered a portion of the license plate which matched Ted&#39;s car, as did the description of the car. Markham, Gargan and Ted&#39;s driver&#39;s testimony show that someone they talked to in the pitch black night sounded like Ted and was about his height and build.</p>
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