Comments on: Guns and Tourism

By: indyroadie

indyroadie — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:36:36 +0000

"Why would someone need to carry a gun, either concealed or out in the open, where little or no threat of injury, assault or crime exists in most of our public places?"

Why would you carry Home/Renter's Insurance when there is little to no chance you will need it?
Why would you own a fire extinguisher? Are you planning on there being a fire?
Why do you eat healthy now, when you may die of an unnatural cause anyway?

Sound ludicrous? I hope you see my point then.

Statistics show that Licensed gun owners are one of the lowest demographics in regards to criminal convictions. For example, in 2007 out of ALL criminal convictions in Texas, only 0.26% held a permit to carry. In other words, in Texas, you have more to worry about from the other 99.74% who do NOT have a license to carry. Food for thought, eh?

By: charlesdobbs

charlesdobbs — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:28:52 +0000

Why would someone need to carry a gun, either concealed or out in the open, where little or no threat of injury, assault or crime exists in most of our public places?

Now that is a funny statement. So you know when a violent crime is going to happen? Or just when it is going to happen to you?

Check out this video, it is from a Senate hearing I think from 1996 http://bit.ly/Eevbm

By: gjdagis

gjdagis — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:03:09 +0000

“I learned how to fire rifles and pistols when I was young and growing up in Ohio. I have gone hunting and target shooting with friends and acquaintances in the past in Ohio, Michigan and upstate New York. I was taught all about gun safety, locks, and ensuring that I always knew where other people were located when I fired any weapon.”

Yeah . . . . and I have black friends ! LOL Come off it; you don't support freedom for Americans and that's all there is to it !

By: tidbits

tidbits — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:47:48 +0000

DLS – You asked “did development extend all the way north (solidly) to Cave Creek?”

Still does. A new Wal-Mart scheduled to go in at Cave Creek Rd. & Carefree Hwy. Very controversial among the exurbanites. Also new YMCA just completed & new Community College under construction.

No guns allowed at any of these new projects. Kidding…just trying to tie to the subject of the post.

By: tonyspdx

tonyspdx — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:47:31 +0000

I guess Arthur Frommer has his opinion. Problem is most states have pro open carry laws. Maybe Arthur should stick to European travel.

By: DLS

DLS — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:31:52 +0000

Related to my question:

"All firearms must be in a case or properly holstered to enter the main range. (Gun socks and scabbards will no longer be allowed as a substitute.)"

http://www.azgfd.gov/outdoor_recreation/ben_ave...

By: DLS

DLS — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:30:36 +0000

“As far as I'm concerned, Maricopa County is overrun……..with or without tourists”

Prior to the bubble bursting, did development extend all the way north (solidly) to Cave Creek?

And has Ben Avery been displaced by development, or legal games, or liability concerns, yet?

By: DLS

DLS — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:28:38 +0000

“They understand the attitudes about guns in America and wouldn't be surprised to see a gun on a civilian in the 'wild west' of Arizona.”

Aside from visiting the Grand Canyon, it's not surprising if they enjoy a mock gunfight in Tombstone, too.

By: DLS

DLS — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:25:35 +0000

“Will the Supreme Court's decision interpreting the the Second Amendment one day create the kind of controversy that now surrounds Roe v. Wade”

Hopefully not. The two are not the same in any way.

By: tidbits

tidbits — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:57:23 +0000

Majstoll – Thanks for the link. Makes it look like we Arizonans are a mite touchy on this subject, and like Frommer is a mite under-informed on the subject generally.

By: tidbits

tidbits — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:47:09 +0000

Sounds good, co. I think we could survive politics…as long as we leave our guns home…though we could shoot up some paper targets at Scottsdale Gun Club. Don't know where Johnny V's is; always game for a new place. Btw, used to live in PV…Scottsdale Rd at roughly Indian Bend. Moved way north Scottsdale.

New question for the thread. Will tourism suffer if two commenters from TMV get together for golf & dinner in Arizona?

By: majstoll

majstoll — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:35:44 +0000

See column on this topic at http://www.examiner.com/x-2782-DC-Gun-Rights-Ex...

By: casualobserver

casualobserver — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:08:18 +0000

I'll look for the picture of you weaving round on your bicycle on the new traffic violation cams……remember to wave!

By: tidbits

tidbits — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:26:49 +0000

co -

Sorry I missed you. had a 7:16 at McCormick Ranch...not quite as good a course, but still fun. Next time here, let me know...maybe I can talk one of my member-friends into a round at Desert Mountain.

Back on topic. As an Arizonan I want to get this straight. I can't ride my bicycle if I've been drinking, and I can't walk out my front door naked at 5:00 am to get the paper...but, 25 friends and I can get stinking drunk, don our camoflage speedos and parade down the street carrying our 30-06's.

What a country.

By: casualobserver

casualobserver — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:58:32 +0000

@@Pretty easy to get a tee time at Troon courses this time of year. January's a different story. On the other hand, if you can afford Troon “in season” you can afford a personal security detail & don't need to carry a gun.@@

Actually, I tried for an early time yesterday, but couldn't get one……….they're still charging $140 this summer. (I flew into Scottsdale for the weekend…….I keep a house in PV……….small world, huh?)

As far as I'm concerned, Maricopa County is overrun……..with or without tourists. I don't know what the people on this thread are talking about.

By: StockBoySF

StockBoySF — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:47:00 +0000

"People who will not go to Arizona because of gun laws can hide under their bed instead for their vacation."

Yup, they can do that, too. But the point is that they won't spend their tourist dollars in AZ. How large an impact the law will have is unknown.

But AZ should not complain if their laws keep people away or generate negative press.

By: Silhouette

Silhouette — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:32:25 +0000

lol,,,,

Arrogance always comes with a price tag. Ouchies! That's gotta hurt AZ..

By: tidbits

tidbits — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:10:05 +0000

co – Pretty easy to get a tee time at Troon courses this time of year. January's a different story. On the other hand, if you can afford Troon “in season” you can afford a personal security detail & don't need to carry a gun.

Btw, guns should decidedly be outlawed on golf courses. Imagine the increase in the murder and suicide rates if golfers had immediate access to deadly weapons when they lost a “press” or chunked a wedge for the match.

By: Slamfu

Slamfu — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:57:06 +0000

“How does a tourist without a gun protect him/herself from people who are carrying guns?”

Tell them to try Washington DC if it makes them feel safer, no one is allowed to carry guns there. Fact is places like this are safer as a result of open gun laws. People worry about responsible gun owners going nuts and randomly shooting people but does anyone know of a case where someone with a non-violent background carrying a piece is actually caught doing that? I

By: casualobserver

casualobserver — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:40:57 +0000

Hope it does scare them. Have you tried to get a tee time at Troon lately?