The nature and content of the outflow to date, this year, on successive issues, and the current and future results we already see and foresee so far, and apprehension of consequences of this health care effort (in whatever form the hurrying kiddies arrive at, eventually), is behind more of this public push-back.

The public clamored for the Dems _not_ to pass the idiotic climate bill. The Dems did it, and incidentally, Obama chose to be more public, and take the wrong side, and insist as well that it be passed.

The health care effort is the worst thing of all so far, and Obama is pushing it worse than the climate bill.

It's a push-back of Obama and the Congre-Dems' own making.

That's because once again, he's a rare sane Dem. Too bad Obama isn't smart enough to be worried. He was fine early in the year when he muzzled the lib Dems, but openly came out on the dark side with the climate bill (with earlier hints related to things like the Detroit automaker takeover). He's become almost obscessed or otherwise neurotic about this health care effort, which is the worst thing the Dems have done so far. It's no surprise except to the low tail of the IQ bell curve why the effort is failing, and why even Dems like Lieberman are stating the obvious (to all but those at the low tail of the IQ bell curve).

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“We want the un watered-down public option. No compromise. Your step-system is just another version of [...]“

[sigh]

The public option *** ITSELF *** is the big step here, the incrementalist step toward federal health care takeover. (Talk about sheep being easily led…)

If the Dems hadn't compiled a dirty record of poor behavior and results this year, and had they engaged in a coherent, purposeful health care effort currently, then they might stand a chance of public acceptance rather than the widespread concern that continues to grow, the more people know. But they continue to flail and be dishonest and inept, and it's no surprise to most (and more) people why the effort is failing and why some Democrats now have concerns along with everyone else but the naive, the neurotic, and worse.

(The concerns are not only about the childish rushing and ineptitude that makes the Dems now rival if not surpass the GOP in the dysfunctionality department, but about at least some Dems' re-election prospects.)

No wonder Kathy is so annoyed.

Finance/Insurance/Real Estate: Top Recipients

1 Obama, Barack (D) Senate $39,502,719
2 McCain, John (R) Senate $28,945,592
3 Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) Senate $20,238,984
4 Romney, Mitt (R) $13,712,457
5 Giuliani, Rudolph W (R) $13,411,959
6 Dodd, Chris (D-CT) Senate $5,967,536
7 Richardson, Bill (D) $2,916,752
8 Coleman, Norm (R-MN) Senate $2,792,840
9 McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) Senate $2,426,708
10 Warner, Mark (D-VA) $2,350,429
11 Edwards, John (D) $2,125,162
12 Cornyn, John (R-TX) Senate $2,079,948
13 Thompson, Fred (R) $1,943,704
14 Sununu, John E (R-NH) Senate $1,785,380
15 Chambliss, Saxby (R-GA) Senate $1,702,928
16 Baucus, Max (D-MT) Senate $1,631,225
17 Biden, Joseph R Jr (D-DE) Senate $1,623,886
18 Dole, Elizabeth (R-NC) Senate $1,543,241
19 Rangel, Charles B (D-NY) House $1,367,519
20 Durbin, Dick (D-IL) Senate $1,355,633

The 2010 cycle

1 Schumer, Charles E (D-NY) Senate $1,445,800
2 Gillibrand, Kirsten (D-NY) Senate $792,450
3 Reid, Harry (D-NV) Senate $723,410
4 Dodd, Chris (D-CT) Senate $533,342
5 Portman, Rob (R-OH) $508,050
6 Crist, Charles J Jr (R-FL) $459,578
7 White, Bill (D-TX) $434,004
8 Cantor, Eric (R-VA) House $388,300
9 Bennet, Michael F (D-CO) Senate $346,478
10 Giannoulias, Alexander (D-IL) $330,650
11 Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) Senate $301,100
12 Shelby, Richard C (R-AL) Senate $285,750
13 Kirk, Mark (R-IL) House $285,675
14 Maloney, Carolyn B (D-NY) House $267,250
15 Murphy, Scott (D-NY) House $264,050
16 Specter, Arlen (D-PA) Senate $263,125
17 Fisher, Lee Irwin (D-OH) $255,134
18 Himes, Jim (D-CT) House $251,343
19 Bayh, Evan (D-IN) Senate $245,570
20 Dorgan, Byron L (D-ND) Senate $240,650

Gee Joe Lieberman's name wasn't on any of those top 20 lists was he?

First off, who has recieved more money from the insurance industry than Liebermann?

McCain, John (R-AZ) $2,894,353
Obama, Barack (D) $2,458,347
Dodd, Chris (D-CT) $2,251,646
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) $1,881,165
Kerry, John (D-MA) $1,396,617
Santorum, Rick (R-PA)$1,267,850
Nelson, Ben (D-NE) $1,231,299
Baucus, Max (D-MT) $1,190,463
Schumer, Charles E (D-NY)$1,073,200
Specter, Arlen (D-PA) $1,055,655
Lieberman, Joe (I-CT) $1,033,402

So do you think Obama, Chris Dodd, Hilliary Clinton, John Kerry, Ben Nelson, Max Bacus, Chuck Schumer, and Arlen Specter have been bought off as well? I mean thats what you see if you follow the money.

It's called follow the money, Leonidas.

Oh so now he's worried about the Obama presidency. Why doesn't he use his influence with Republicans and have them reign in their lies about the healthcare reform? (It's a rhetorical and sarcastic question.)

“… you are looking at the literal FACT of what he said, and not the actual TRUTH of what he meant”

So did how bad was the pain inside the black box when the Gom Jabbar was at your throat during your training to become a Bene Gesserit Truthsayer?

That's an even better point than I made.

I don't understand how the same person who wrote the above could also have written this: “BTW Kathy he didn't say “Save the 50 million uninsured for the last step” nice strawman,…”

Exactly Leonidas. FACT: He didn't say 'Save the 50 million uninsured for the last step.' ” TRUTH: He has no interest in ever dealing with the 50 million uninsured, or the 60 million, or the 70 million. When the recession is over, he will have another excuse. If you take Lieberman at his word and think he is being sincere when he says we have to wait for the recession to be over before we do something to insure the uninsured, then you are looking at the literal FACT of what he said, and not the actual TRUTH of what he meant. The truth is not what people say; it's what they do.

I don't know that he's wrong about this, Kathy. One can argue both for and against the enormous expenditures to date to fight the recession, but the fact of the matter is that the spending happened. And it was rather a lot. And although lots of folks are optimistic, another fact of the matter is that we are actually still in that recession.

Yes, the fact of the matter is that the spending happened, and the truth of the matter is that it should have been more. Yes, the fact of the matter is that we are still in the recession, but the truth of the matter is that this recession has been going on for years now, and it's going to take more than six or seven months to not “be in it” anymore.

Here's another fact, Polimom. The existence of 50 million Americans who lack health insurance is a major factor behind the recession. Obviously, it didn't *cause* the recession, but it's a sizable part of the deficit that Obama inherited from the Bush administration, and it makes recovery harder. And here is the truth that comes out of that fact, Polimom. Waiting until the recession is over to pass reforms that will insure the uninsured actually guarantees that the recession will go on far longer than it would otherwise. This country *cannot recover* from the recession it's in when 50 million Americans have no health insurance coverage.

I assure you that Lieberman knows that. He's not concerned abut the effect of health care reform on the recession at all. He's concerned about the effect of universal coverage for all uninsured Americans on the insurance industry in whose pocket he is snugly ensconced.

“We” is a minority.

“NO”. We want the un watered-down public option. No compromise. Your step-system is just another version of MedMobs strivings to tool this thing for future revamping when the GOP gets reseated in bigger numbers. We know how it works. There is no compromise this time, none, cash in your MedMob lobbying money and tell them you're sorry you couldn't ram it through..

If there was an actual plan to spend a trillion dollars right away on this then I could see Lieberman's point. But right now it looks likes High Broderism at its worst – “People are upset so we must slow down.” As if that stopped him with the Iraq war…

Dismiss it as you wish, but people really, truly are not comfortable with the pace of the outflow. It's part of what's behind the vast pushback.

BTW Kathy he didn't say “Save the 50 million uninsured for the last step” nice strawman.

Comrade Pelosi blink

Slick Willy rub nose

Comrade Obama open mouth

Dumb Donkey Gibbs laugh…Hehaw..he..haw..he..haw!

Is this really health care “reform”?

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