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		<title>By: New Mortgage Info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Nation of Renters Becomes A Nation of Owners &#124; The Moderate Voice</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: zachiesmith</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s why I think that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.governmentrepohomes.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;government repo homes&lt;/a&gt; are not the end of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s why I think that <a href="http://www.governmentrepohomes.com/" rel="nofollow">government repo homes</a> are not the end of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should also mention that Proposition 13 in California is defective, but not for any nonsense spouted by frustrated tax-and-overspend liberals and Democrats in Sacramento and elsewhere throughout the state.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Prop 13 is defective because it is inequitable (as well as a glaring reminder of why ad valorem taxation as well as direct ability-to-pay taxation fails logically as well as morally).  There is no justification whatsoever for anyone coming to California today to purchase a home on a street, and have to pay one cent more than the owner of an identical home on an identical parcel of land on that same street, who has lived there since before the mid-1970s pays in property taxes.  Not one cent.  That is the true defect of Prop 13.  The freeloaders who benefit from this resent anything that threatens making them pay more to reduce the unfair burden of those who are now paying much higher taxes (can be ten times or more) for the same thing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The obvious solution is reasonably low property taxes for everyone, of course.  (Beyond the intellectual ability of too many people, sadly, is to ditch the assessed valuation basis for taxation and go with a truly objective as well as equitable basis instead, such as square footage of land and developed structures.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also mention that Proposition 13 in California is defective, but not for any nonsense spouted by frustrated tax-and-overspend liberals and Democrats in Sacramento and elsewhere throughout the state.</p>
<p>Prop 13 is defective because it is inequitable (as well as a glaring reminder of why ad valorem taxation as well as direct ability-to-pay taxation fails logically as well as morally).  There is no justification whatsoever for anyone coming to California today to purchase a home on a street, and have to pay one cent more than the owner of an identical home on an identical parcel of land on that same street, who has lived there since before the mid-1970s pays in property taxes.  Not one cent.  That is the true defect of Prop 13.  The freeloaders who benefit from this resent anything that threatens making them pay more to reduce the unfair burden of those who are now paying much higher taxes (can be ten times or more) for the same thing.</p>
<p>The obvious solution is reasonably low property taxes for everyone, of course.  (Beyond the intellectual ability of too many people, sadly, is to ditch the assessed valuation basis for taxation and go with a truly objective as well as equitable basis instead, such as square footage of land and developed structures.)</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well here is some news, do you know what affordable housing really is? Its not the housing you want, its the housing you can actually afford.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Aside from that, home prices themselves are still too high.  I have no sympathy with those expecting to get easy riches, especially the &quot;flippers&quot; and the parasitical people associated with them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Note that the federal government could reform itself here, and end its subsidy and social-engineering game, which means no longer to allow deduction of home mortgage interest.  (Given our current slump and desire for stimulus, I&#039;m still wondering why all interest on debt wasn&#039;t made tax deductible, or at least for home, automobile, and appliance purchases, the items normally most important in this regard.)  This is a sacred cow that has a lot of emotional dreck defending it and it won&#039;t be slaughtered any time soon (no more than Obama will end the cap-and-trade idiocy for a simple, more honest tax on carbon in fuels), but could at least be modified to be more equitable, such as to allow all mortgage costs and all rent that renters have to pay (or a consistent fraction among these) to be tax-deductible, if nothing else.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don&#039;t expect intelligence from Washington any time soon, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well here is some news, do you know what affordable housing really is? Its not the housing you want, its the housing you can actually afford.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aside from that, home prices themselves are still too high.  I have no sympathy with those expecting to get easy riches, especially the &#8220;flippers&#8221; and the parasitical people associated with them.</p>
<p>Note that the federal government could reform itself here, and end its subsidy and social-engineering game, which means no longer to allow deduction of home mortgage interest.  (Given our current slump and desire for stimulus, I&#39;m still wondering why all interest on debt wasn&#39;t made tax deductible, or at least for home, automobile, and appliance purchases, the items normally most important in this regard.)  This is a sacred cow that has a lot of emotional dreck defending it and it won&#39;t be slaughtered any time soon (no more than Obama will end the cap-and-trade idiocy for a simple, more honest tax on carbon in fuels), but could at least be modified to be more equitable, such as to allow all mortgage costs and all rent that renters have to pay (or a consistent fraction among these) to be tax-deductible, if nothing else.</p>
<p>Don&#39;t expect intelligence from Washington any time soon, however.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in Michigan I encountered someone angry and frustrated with the bank bailout and bungled stimulus program, who spoke about many who are worried about foreclosure or eviction?  What about vouchers for mortgage and rent payments?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I thought on my own why we didn&#039;t see an expansion of Cash for Clunkers not only to involve more vehicles (which is logical, anyway, if auto buying is primarily sought), but also to encompass housing purchases, on the larger, more expensive end, and appliance purchases (to be followed by assisted purchases of stereos, large-screen plasma TVs, etc.) on the smaller, less expensive end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Michigan I encountered someone angry and frustrated with the bank bailout and bungled stimulus program, who spoke about many who are worried about foreclosure or eviction?  What about vouchers for mortgage and rent payments?</p>
<p>I thought on my own why we didn&#39;t see an expansion of Cash for Clunkers not only to involve more vehicles (which is logical, anyway, if auto buying is primarily sought), but also to encompass housing purchases, on the larger, more expensive end, and appliance purchases (to be followed by assisted purchases of stereos, large-screen plasma TVs, etc.) on the smaller, less expensive end.</p>
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		<title>By: gerscot</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerscot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The WSJ and National Review articles accurately describe the role government played in promoting home ownership in this country. However, little was mentioned about the equally major role of the market in driving home ownership to new heights.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Following World War II, and the Great Depression, the US public was still a nation of savers. Madison Avenue played a huge role on behalf of corporations in changing the public attitudes from savers to spenders. As home buying increased, the housing industry continued to fuel the growth. The financial system also offered easy credit to the mix, and we evolved into a culture of rampant consumers and debters. And here we are now. The fix, I think, won&#039;t come from government or the corporate world, but through a cultural change back to more realistic way of living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WSJ and National Review articles accurately describe the role government played in promoting home ownership in this country. However, little was mentioned about the equally major role of the market in driving home ownership to new heights.</p>
<p>Following World War II, and the Great Depression, the US public was still a nation of savers. Madison Avenue played a huge role on behalf of corporations in changing the public attitudes from savers to spenders. As home buying increased, the housing industry continued to fuel the growth. The financial system also offered easy credit to the mix, and we evolved into a culture of rampant consumers and debters. And here we are now. The fix, I think, won&#39;t come from government or the corporate world, but through a cultural change back to more realistic way of living.</p>
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		<title>By: T_Steel</title>
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		<dc:creator>T_Steel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 04:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I have never owned a home.  We have been lifelong renters.  We are renting a nice home currently that we can afford.  And most likely, we won&#039;t buy a home.  Our landlords are great people and love that we are here.  Can&#039;t beat that with a stick!  We made a conscious decision that home ownership would impede are larger goal of business ownership.  And I can tell ya this much, it has worked out good.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personally I want to see more renters.  Home ownership was turned into a lighthearted game when it&#039;s serious business.  And the numbers don&#039;t lie about renting: if you lose your job, pay $1000/month rent, and have 10 months left on a one year lease, you are obligated to $10,000.  But in home ownership, that number is easily 25 - 40 times that easily (on average today).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I have never owned a home.  We have been lifelong renters.  We are renting a nice home currently that we can afford.  And most likely, we won&#39;t buy a home.  Our landlords are great people and love that we are here.  Can&#39;t beat that with a stick!  We made a conscious decision that home ownership would impede are larger goal of business ownership.  And I can tell ya this much, it has worked out good.</p>
<p>Personally I want to see more renters.  Home ownership was turned into a lighthearted game when it&#39;s serious business.  And the numbers don&#39;t lie about renting: if you lose your job, pay $1000/month rent, and have 10 months left on a one year lease, you are obligated to $10,000.  But in home ownership, that number is easily 25 &#8211; 40 times that easily (on average today).</p>
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		<title>By: Leonidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a homeowner I didn&#039;t take out a mortgage, I bought my home out of my pocket.  It might not best the biggest of best home in the world but I didn&#039;t rely on the government to get housing for me.  There was never a risk to my fellow countrymen that I would go default on my mortgage and saddle them with the risk, there was never a danger to my neighbors that their property values would decline for me defaulting on a loan I could not repay.  Now there is nothing wrong with getting loans and mortgages as long as your relatively assured that you can pay them off, and as long as you honor your debts and don&#039;t run away from them, but we have seen in the recent past this happening due to big government efforts to bring home ownership to more people.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The big myth is &quot;affordable housing&quot;.  Well here is some news, do you know what affordable housing really is?  Its not the housing you want, its the housing you can actually afford.  Government made a gross mistake about this and sent us on a couse that led to the housing crisis and kept many hard working Americans unable to responsibly buy their homes because of the overinfated market due to government interventions.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thomas Sowell wrote a great piece on this entitle &quot;Lured to Disaster, I recommend everyone read it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODA2NzIwYWJkZDY4ODgzNjdhMWUyNWFkYTY0OThmMGE=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODA2NzIwYW...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;here is an excerpt:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When I first left home, back in 1948, I rented a room about 4 by 8 feet, costing $5.75 a week. Since my take-home pay was $22.50, that was affordable housing. (Multiply these numbers by about ten to get the equivalent in today’s prices).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;After three years of living in rented rooms, I began living in Marine Corps barracks, and sometimes tents—none of which cost me anything. That was certainly affordable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As a civilian again in 1954, I rented my first apartment, a studio apartment—small but affordable. But a year later, I went off to college and lived in dormitories on various campuses for the next six years. None was fancy but all of them were affordable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;After completing my academic studies, I rented another studio apartment—not a big advance, but it was affordable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In 1969, I rented my first house, which I could now afford, after several years as a faculty member at various colleges and universities. A dozen years later, I began to buy my first house.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-------------------------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is what big government destroys with a sense of entitlement that paints affordable housing as the housing you want instead of the housing you can afford, we saw where that got us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m a homeowner I didn&#39;t take out a mortgage, I bought my home out of my pocket.  It might not best the biggest of best home in the world but I didn&#39;t rely on the government to get housing for me.  There was never a risk to my fellow countrymen that I would go default on my mortgage and saddle them with the risk, there was never a danger to my neighbors that their property values would decline for me defaulting on a loan I could not repay.  Now there is nothing wrong with getting loans and mortgages as long as your relatively assured that you can pay them off, and as long as you honor your debts and don&#39;t run away from them, but we have seen in the recent past this happening due to big government efforts to bring home ownership to more people.</p>
<p>The big myth is &#8220;affordable housing&#8221;.  Well here is some news, do you know what affordable housing really is?  Its not the housing you want, its the housing you can actually afford.  Government made a gross mistake about this and sent us on a couse that led to the housing crisis and kept many hard working Americans unable to responsibly buy their homes because of the overinfated market due to government interventions.</p>
<p>Thomas Sowell wrote a great piece on this entitle &#8220;Lured to Disaster, I recommend everyone read it.</p>
<p><a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODA2NzIwYWJkZDY4ODgzNjdhMWUyNWFkYTY0OThmMGE=" rel="nofollow">http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODA2NzIwYW&#8230;</a></p>
<p>here is an excerpt:</p>
<p>When I first left home, back in 1948, I rented a room about 4 by 8 feet, costing $5.75 a week. Since my take-home pay was $22.50, that was affordable housing. (Multiply these numbers by about ten to get the equivalent in today’s prices).</p>
<p>After three years of living in rented rooms, I began living in Marine Corps barracks, and sometimes tents—none of which cost me anything. That was certainly affordable.</p>
<p>As a civilian again in 1954, I rented my first apartment, a studio apartment—small but affordable. But a year later, I went off to college and lived in dormitories on various campuses for the next six years. None was fancy but all of them were affordable.</p>
<p>After completing my academic studies, I rented another studio apartment—not a big advance, but it was affordable.</p>
<p>In 1969, I rented my first house, which I could now afford, after several years as a faculty member at various colleges and universities. A dozen years later, I began to buy my first house.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>This is what big government destroys with a sense of entitlement that paints affordable housing as the housing you want instead of the housing you can afford, we saw where that got us.</p>
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		<description>[...] Random Feed wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptAll thanks to Big Government. Thomas J. Sugrue writing in the WSJ : In 1934, F.D.R. created the Federal Housing Administration, which set standards for home construction, instituted 25- and 30-year mortgages, and cut interest rates. And in 1938, his administration created the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) which created the secondary market in mortgages. In 1944, the federal government extended generous mortgage assistance to returning veterans, most of whom could not hav [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Random Feed wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptAll thanks to Big Government. Thomas J. Sugrue writing in the WSJ : In 1934, F.D.R. created the Federal Housing Administration, which set standards for home construction, instituted 25- and 30-year mortgages, and cut interest rates. And in 1938, his administration created the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) which created the secondary market in mortgages. In 1944, the federal government extended generous mortgage assistance to returning veterans, most of whom could not hav [...]</p>
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		<description>[...] News Sources wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptAll thanks to Big Government. Thomas J. Sugrue writing in the WSJ : In 1934, F.D.R. created the Federal Housing Administration, which set standards for home construction, instituted 25- and 30-year mortgages, and cut interest rates. And in 1938, his administration created the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) which created the secondary market in mortgages. In 1944, the federal government extended generous mortgage assistance to returning veterans, most of whom could not hav [...]</description>
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