Jon Stewart on Those Fox-y Liberals

They are whiny aren't they. Next there'll be a war on the Tooth fairy and the Easter Bunny, that staunch Christian symbol of....of....of.....forget it.

This was pretty funny...and very well done. Not that it makes a difference. I recall a clip of Rush telling his viewers that he was glad the Reps lost Congress because he was tired of supporting bad policy.

Which is basically saying that he had been lying to his viewers for the past...Decade?

Yet they still tune in every day.....

Well, Barney Frank once again was being scummy, but it's really no surprise. It does make him a poster boy for the Dems' current misconduct with health care and der Sturmer treatment of _all_ opponents so often. (Frank was already self-debasing with his antics related to the bank bailout and the GM takeover and how he got GM to reverse a plant-closing decision affecting Barney's district.)

Frank called out an idiotic Godwinner, and in that situation he was awesome. Stop insulting my intelligence by calling that sort of thing "scummy".

"der Sturmer treatment of _all_ opponents so often."

Cognitive dissonance and projection.

"scummy". Um...yeah. Idiot calls a Jew a Nazi. I think likening her intelligence and sensitivity to a dining table was rather generous.

"Godwinner"

"Godwin's law" is for the intellectually and behaviorally toilet-challenged types. I'll ignore your related misstatements on this or other subjects.

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"I think likening her intelligence and sensitivity to a dining table was rather generous."

That is how not only the few adherents of this rightly failing health care effort are correctly described, but so many other remaining fellow travelers. Look at the lies they continue to say (and post) about those who know better.

About all you can say in Frank's defense of an intelligent nature was that despite his misconduct at least he wasn't trying the current coward's approach a number of legislators, which has been to avoid exposure of widespread opposition to this lunacy (deliberately mischaracterized by "lemon-picking") by avoiding town hall meetings that can't be manipulated like Obama's normally-staged fake audience circuses, or at which he but the rest of the politicians don't enjoy respect for the Presidency or the Secret Service Advantage. His record of misconduct (not limited to his deliberate rudeness here), which I touched on earlier, is a matter of long-established fact.

The opposition continues to build, the reaction among the few faithful gets ever more dishonest and scummy, and other than SEIU goons and the like, the hard-core supporters and remaining Obama cultist fans are largely absent, either bewildered that the Messiah could actually fail or outraged that he won't continue to rush stupidly to get his way, but actually might _compromise_. (Pathetic attempts by the fringists like Move On or the unions to organize counter-opposition and support for the health care effort have largely fizzled or failed to materialize, leaving this role to the customary media and commentators.)

DLS -- Did you even see the clip of this particular incident? Maybe Frank used the same tactic to disseminate actual, substantive questions about healthcare that he didn't find comfortable -- I don't know, as I haven't seen video of the entire townhall. This woman, without a trace of irony, called a Jewish man a Nazi supporter. There wasn't a healthcare question there. He wasn't saying that people who don't support healthcare are as stupid as a table -- he said this person, based on her comment, was as stupid as a table. How is that in any way unclear?

""Godwin's law" is for the intellectually and behaviorally toilet-challenged types."

So mocking people who invoke the specter of Nazism and Hitler without any real argumentation or humility is now too far? Is there no limit to how far you will go in order to defend the (unnervingly large) phalanx of the anti-reform crowd that combines a victim complex with aggressive stupidity and infantile anti-Obama partisanship?

Again, DLS, you know everything about nothing!

There may be no limit in some people's illogical minds and warped imaginations (with accompanying moral and other shortcomings) to what I or anyone else might do, but that's not my problem or fault.

Frank was rude, no matter how how some chumps may resent recital of this fact as an excuse for their own, related misbehavior. Frank is already of notoriety for other wrongful things he has said and done in the past; it should perhaps be predictable he'd become one of the worse misbehavers in defense of the sloppy, destructive, sometimes-inept Dem health care effort and choosing to be vicious against the mainstream and the others who rightly object to this effort (the worst of the Dems' misconduct so far).

"Did you even see the clip of this particular incident?"

Yes. Frank was rude, condescending, too much like the slanderous (beyond-propaganda) defenders of the junk health care effort and directors of resentment and worse against any and all opposition to it.

A "dispassionate" observation that is probably the most noteworthy about that clip (about the events) is that Frank went beyond willingness to answer questions or willingness merely to respond (at least in a token way) to a deliberately controversial opponent (far removed from the nature of public opposition as a rule to this health care effort, but so convieniently misused to mischaracterize the opposition, i.e., the broad public and the _mainstream_ as well as increasing numbers of people well to the left of it).

In other words: The noteworthy observation (that itself isn't grounds for criticism) is that Frank went beyond mere willingness to respond to an opponent, but actually seized (and never let go of!) the initiative. That goes beyond what other politicians have been willing to do (Specter looked and sounded very weak in the clips of his appearance, for example) and is if anything "the" opposite of what a number of more cowardly or evasive members of Congress are doing now, cancelling or refusing to hold public meetings because the public (all but some extremists, who deserve the _real_ criticism) is opposed.

He was rude. And --

"he said this person, based on her comment, was as stupid as a table"

He was, also, hypocritical given the nature of the "health care is a right" [sic] and other stances of the _real_ fools and extremists, who actually still advocate and _defend_ this stupidly rushed, sloppy, harmful Dem effort (the worst of increasingly bad efforts they have undertaken throughout this year).

"This woman, without a trace of irony, called a Jewish man a Nazi supporter."

At least she didn't call him a Capo.

"Frank was rude, condescending"

Quite frankly, cry me a friggin river. Waaaaa. The question-asker was an off-her-rocker loony, along with so many of the gun-toting know-nothings at these townhalls. (And good lord if anyone says "well not *everyone* there was a loony" I'm going to spit. I know that. I'm talking about the loonies acting like loonies, not those with actual criticisms of the plan.) Calling a Jew a Nazi supporter goes so far beyond "rude" into "highly offensive" and "potentially triggering" territory that a little rudeness in retort was quite appropriate and quite overdue. You say Specter looked pretty weak -- well, he did. When someone is coming at you with ignorant questions dripping with vitriol and spittle and you treat them like very tough but serious questions, you look like you don't know the difference. It's time that people stopped worrying about being "rude" and made it clear that they DO know the difference. Thanks to Frank for doing so. It's infuriating to watch the media and people like you treat this blather like it's actually a valid or informed point of view. Again, since we're all so dang sensitive -- I'm still not criticising a point of view that has actual arguments against the health care bill.

"At least she didn't call him a Capo."

Would that be a guitar clamp or a mob dude? Either way, I'd still go with the contention that it's worse to call him a Nazi.

Fox on one side MSNBC on the other, not much difference.

I also saw the clip of Barny Frank and I said to myself "It's about time someone finally answered those who equate health care reform or President Obama to Nazis or Hitler. Hitler and the Holocust he brought on sickens me and the inhumanity of it does not even come close to discussions on health care reform. It needs to be said each and everytime to those who continue to compare the two.