And it's different why? Free expression changes according to who is speaking? How about the State GOP convention in Houston in 2000? http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?i… Also what “argument”? What I am stating is what I feel and no matter how hard you whine and cry I am not going to consider it to be a big deal.

Did the person or persons carrying attempt to enter? Did they shoot anyone else there? Did they wave their weapons menacingly or threaten others there? No they didn't. They were legally carrying in a state that allows it but the media tries to turn it into some racial thing when it wasn't and to me that garbage is just getting old real quick.

That being said, should they have brought them? Probably not because they diminish whatever point they are trying to make at a health care gathering. If that was a 2nd Amendment rally or something along those lines it would have made more sense. I do agree with you, if I understood you correctly, that these people didn't exactly exercise any common sense.

“With Bush, we saw arrests and removals of people who wore t-shirts that had Bush's name with a circle and slash over it.”

I don't know why they did what they did, besides the obvious political aspect of it, but if you're trying to get me to defend that guy and the things he did you're barking up the wrong tree.

“I have actually only seen ONE person carrying the Hitler signs that CLAIMS to be a Larouche Dem– it's a far cry from being the case for every single person holding up a Hitler sign.”

I didn't say every person but that is something that is going on that is being attributed to people with legitimate grievances when it is not them doing it. Besides there are more than that one person and those people aren't claiming it, it is caught by the fact that there is Larouche info is stamped on the bottom of the signs. Not smart mind you but my point is that everyone just automatically assumes that any opposition and harsh rhetoric comes only from the right and that just is not true. There is just as much garbage spewing from the left in support as there is the right against but only the people not of the left are being tarred as racists and nazis. Sorry but to me that is just an attempt to bully others into not expressing their opinions. What happened to dissent being patriotic? I didn't realize that changed on 1/20/09 also.

“Racial arguments have been made, but they seem for the most part unrelated to the display of firearms. I say “for the most part” because I'm sure there's a few exceptions to that rule.”

All I will say to this is that those on the left that are so quick to throw the race card out there really should look in a mirror before they cast the stones out of their own glass houses.

I don't know from right or wrong, while I don't condone such things, I do know that they are legal. My point was not to say he does it so now I can, but rather if I'm not going to get worked up over that political expression, which it was, then don't expect me to care when someone else uses it.

Ah, see that's the problem with works of art, especially films. You need to see/view/read/watch it for yourself and even then it can be open to different interpretations. And you brought up another good point that the producers were British. That makes the film not really relevant to this discussion. I myself have not watched the film.

Polimom, I agree that the postage stamps are over the top. I support the LEGAL right of someone to make them, just as I support the LEGAL right of carrying registered handguns, but I would agree that in both cases it's inappropriate and just makes the partisan divide worse, not better.

EEllis, I've never heard of Quanell X. I've heard of the old Black Panther Party, but had no idea there was a new one. I didn't know about the Nation of Islam carrying guns but my husband says they do carry them, although not as openly. I still think it's inappropriate no matter which group we're talking about. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Yes what is the point? You are clear that this was some group effort, with links to other events, so what group? BS crap! As if Black militants have never marched with firearms. It's legal and they have the right and it doesn't bother me a bit. So if some one wants to show up outside an event carrying a gun to make a point that doesn't really bother me either.

Heard of Quanell X, Nation of Islam and the New Black Panther Party. Now Im not an expert so I'm sure there's more but if you have never seen them on the news standing around with guns then you have been closing your eyes.

I think that's true, Almoderate. It's part of why the over-amplification of “they're gonna come take all your guns away OMGOMGOMG” has been so strange to me.

A picture is a lot different than actually showing up with a loaded firearm. Regardless, it's stupid and destroys your argument no matter which side it's coming from.

“And one other tiny little fact for you fear mongers out there..how many arrests were there of citizens lawfully carrying their guns? How many incidents? Oh that's right nothing happened.”

I think that's the point. As much rhetoric as I've heard about how Obama hates guns, free speech, etc… He's been amazingly tolerant in comparison to the previous administration. Here we have a situation where a loaded firearm could be a threat to the safety of the people there, and folks are allowed to bring them. With Bush, we saw arrests and removals of people who wore t-shirts that had Bush's name with a circle and slash over it.

“ANd one last thing since you sheep will never put it into the MSM the buffoons carrying the Hitler signs are Lyndon Larouche Democrats.”

And Hillary Clinton is a Goldwater Republican. What's your point? And it actually was reported in the MSM. I have actually only seen ONE person carrying the Hitler signs that CLAIMS to be a Larouche Dem– it's a far cry from being the case for every single person holding up a Hitler sign. (It also wouldn't be the first time someone claimed to have a party affiliation that turned out to not quite be true.) I still see no difference in what level of crazy it makes a person to make a Hitler reference based on party affiliation.

Though I have to disagree on the firearms being a racial thing. Racial arguments have been made, but they seem for the most part unrelated to the display of firearms. I say “for the most part” because I'm sure there's a few exceptions to that rule. I do however agree that the only reason to carry a firearm is for the purpose of intimidation. It's not like you can argue that you expected a spontaneous marathon to start up at a political rally, and they'd need someone to start it.

As to the silly lefty fool Dionne's remarks, we saw the SEIU brownshirts in action in St. Louis metro.

The movie is called “Death of a President”. MANY links about it online. <a href=”http://digg.com/movies/Death_of_a_President_Bush_Assassination_Movie_Debuts_in_Toronto”Here's a link to digg about it

Here's a link about a picture depicting Bush with a gun pointed at his head.

They are, in all cases, horribly over the top.

That's because nobody knew about it. Have a source? For the record, IF it happened then it's wrong.

>the buffoons carrying the Hitler signs are Lyndon Larouche Democrats

It's inappropriate no matter who does it.

>I don't complain when black rights activist parade with firearms

Of course you don't, because it's never happened. Source? But for the record, IF it did happen it was also inappropriate. See, some of us are consistent.

Several incidents and what is the point? You have none. No excuse, no nothing, just BS crap about 'black goups”. What black groups?

[The simple fact is that an armed citizenry is not the basis for our freedoms. Our freedoms rest on a moral consensus, enshrined in law, that in a democratic republic we work out our differences through reasoned, and sometimes raucous, argument. Free elections and open debate are not rooted in violence or the threat of violence. They are precisely the alternative to violence, and guns have no place in them.]

Absolutely Excellent Passage!

I can tell you that people whom carry guns to these events are a threat. They want to be a threat. They are not satisfied with democracy. They want to politically gain what they want by threatening your life to get it. Completely un-American. They might as well put on the brown shirts and arm bands because they are doing EXACTLY what the brown shirts did in Germany, but they accuse liberals seeking healthcare of all things, of being Nazis!