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		<title>By: Congress Links &#124; linkthe.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Congress Links &#124; linkthe.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brittanicus</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43454/holding-firm-on-the-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-205858</link>
		<dc:creator>Brittanicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The choice is ultimately yours about health care solutions or the severe illegal immigration problem, by calling Washington politicians at 202-224-3121. ICE must be ruthlessly in going after the parasitic businesses who pay nothing for their illegal workers in health care benefits. THAT&#039;S BEEN LEFT TO TAXPAYERS FOR DECADES. The American people must decide their health care options? Because of the massive divide of angry citizens and legal residents, it is essential that free choice must be on the table of any new legislation. Taxpayers must realize that special interest groups have a monopoly over radio and television networks, because they have extraordinary amounts of money to spend on engineering the truth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We should have a passionate commitment to our homeless veterans, citizens, such as our own poverty-stricken people. Those who have health care now care nothing for those without, but the shock will come with escalating costs when premiums to rise and can no longer afford it for their own family. ALSO REMEMBER THAT MANY POLITICIANS HAVE FINANCIAL INTERESTS IN THE STATUS QUO AS THEY ARE STOCKHOLDERS IN THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY. They have acclimatized a large portion of Americans that insurance companies are the best deal, but this is not true? Most European countries perform very well with the private and the public option? Erosion began in the European health care system, when an indoctrinated Europe allowed poor nations access to their hospitals and doctors without every paying into the government system.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This was the main cause of medical care sinking below par, not indifferent to illegal cheap labor entering our nation. Until the 1980&#039;s there was--NO--extreme rationing or problems in the British national health care, until England became overwhelmed by Northern Europeans. I know because I was there in Britain and in Australia. Nobody can be turned away from Doctors or hospitals, which is the--ABSOLUTELY SAME--position as America. THINK! How can America sustain health care costs, when US taxpayers are forced by federal law to support poor sick and maimed 20 million plus illegal aliens? No nation can sustain its living standards as in the near past, after the mass immigration of illegal immigrants and their extended families.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Our only option is to terminate illegal cheap labor with every enforcement opportunity we can muster. Without restrictions millions more will keep coming, specifically of Amnesty raising its ugly head again. We must keep up the pressure on Washington, with mandated E-Verify, the Save Act, state police authorization of 287 G, no match social security, an originally planned two-tier fence and ICE raids. Learn more at the Heritage Foundation site or NUMBERSUSA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The choice is ultimately yours about health care solutions or the severe illegal immigration problem, by calling Washington politicians at 202-224-3121. ICE must be ruthlessly in going after the parasitic businesses who pay nothing for their illegal workers in health care benefits. THAT&#39;S BEEN LEFT TO TAXPAYERS FOR DECADES. The American people must decide their health care options? Because of the massive divide of angry citizens and legal residents, it is essential that free choice must be on the table of any new legislation. Taxpayers must realize that special interest groups have a monopoly over radio and television networks, because they have extraordinary amounts of money to spend on engineering the truth.</p>
<p>We should have a passionate commitment to our homeless veterans, citizens, such as our own poverty-stricken people. Those who have health care now care nothing for those without, but the shock will come with escalating costs when premiums to rise and can no longer afford it for their own family. ALSO REMEMBER THAT MANY POLITICIANS HAVE FINANCIAL INTERESTS IN THE STATUS QUO AS THEY ARE STOCKHOLDERS IN THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY. They have acclimatized a large portion of Americans that insurance companies are the best deal, but this is not true? Most European countries perform very well with the private and the public option? Erosion began in the European health care system, when an indoctrinated Europe allowed poor nations access to their hospitals and doctors without every paying into the government system.</p>
<p>This was the main cause of medical care sinking below par, not indifferent to illegal cheap labor entering our nation. Until the 1980&#39;s there was&#8211;NO&#8211;extreme rationing or problems in the British national health care, until England became overwhelmed by Northern Europeans. I know because I was there in Britain and in Australia. Nobody can be turned away from Doctors or hospitals, which is the&#8211;ABSOLUTELY SAME&#8211;position as America. THINK! How can America sustain health care costs, when US taxpayers are forced by federal law to support poor sick and maimed 20 million plus illegal aliens? No nation can sustain its living standards as in the near past, after the mass immigration of illegal immigrants and their extended families.</p>
<p>Our only option is to terminate illegal cheap labor with every enforcement opportunity we can muster. Without restrictions millions more will keep coming, specifically of Amnesty raising its ugly head again. We must keep up the pressure on Washington, with mandated E-Verify, the Save Act, state police authorization of 287 G, no match social security, an originally planned two-tier fence and ICE raids. Learn more at the Heritage Foundation site or NUMBERSUSA.</p>
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		<title>By: Shard</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43454/holding-firm-on-the-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-205719</link>
		<dc:creator>Shard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>superdestroyer wrote:[blockquote]Why should someone who gets up and goes to work have exactly the same healthcare benefits as those of the welfare class, illegal aliens, and those who refuse to work?[/blockquote]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These are important questions. So, too, is the question as to why someone who works 3 jobs cannot have health care benefits at all? Or, perhaps someone who works 1 job, salaried at 50 hrs/wk, for a small employer who can&#039;t afford to provide health care? What about children, who aren&#039;t eligible to work?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Examples can easily be made on the extremes of issues, like health care, on why reform is a good or a bad thing. However, somewhere in the middle is a much more agreeable area than what is touted by the vocal minorities on each side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>superdestroyer wrote:[blockquote]Why should someone who gets up and goes to work have exactly the same healthcare benefits as those of the welfare class, illegal aliens, and those who refuse to work?[/blockquote]</p>
<p>These are important questions. So, too, is the question as to why someone who works 3 jobs cannot have health care benefits at all? Or, perhaps someone who works 1 job, salaried at 50 hrs/wk, for a small employer who can&#39;t afford to provide health care? What about children, who aren&#39;t eligible to work?</p>
<p>Examples can easily be made on the extremes of issues, like health care, on why reform is a good or a bad thing. However, somewhere in the middle is a much more agreeable area than what is touted by the vocal minorities on each side.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43454/holding-firm-on-the-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-205703</link>
		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least everyone here is honest enough to admit that the point of the public option is to put the insurance companies out of business, pass massive subsidies to core Democratic party groups, and give the federal government complete control over healthcare. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why would the middle class want to give up their insurance so that they will compete for medical appointments with illegal aliens, the welfare class, and the idle?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why should someone who gets up and goes to work have exactly the same healthcare benefits as those of the welfare class, illegal aliens, and those who refuse to work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least everyone here is honest enough to admit that the point of the public option is to put the insurance companies out of business, pass massive subsidies to core Democratic party groups, and give the federal government complete control over healthcare. </p>
<p>Why would the middle class want to give up their insurance so that they will compete for medical appointments with illegal aliens, the welfare class, and the idle?</p>
<p>Why should someone who gets up and goes to work have exactly the same healthcare benefits as those of the welfare class, illegal aliens, and those who refuse to work?</p>
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		<title>By: EEllis</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43454/holding-firm-on-the-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-205684</link>
		<dc:creator>EEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is hilarious. &quot;Only the people who think like me count&quot;. &quot;Do it my way or else&quot;. And the republicans are supposed to be the ridged ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is hilarious. &#8220;Only the people who think like me count&#8221;. &#8220;Do it my way or else&#8221;. And the republicans are supposed to be the ridged ones.</p>
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		<title>By: marianlauria</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43454/holding-firm-on-the-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-205666</link>
		<dc:creator>marianlauria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want President Obama and ALL the Democrats to get some backbone and cajones to live, sweat, bleed, and succeed for what they want for the American people.  Forget the freaking polls and about getting re-elected!  Just do right by the people and we will ensure that they are relected.  But all this in-fighting among the DEM&#039;s Bluedogs, Progressives, and among the dozen cacauces makes me crazy!!!&lt;br&gt;I want them to win or lose fighting to the end for what the want and plan to do for the American people.&lt;br&gt;What we have now is unnerving and pure insanity.&lt;br&gt;The Republicans don&#039;t care about the American people; they only care about being in power so that they can &quot;control&quot; the American people with their utter and contemptible lies, manipulations, and don&#039;t-give-a-darn attitudes.  They are sick and repulsive.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;WE NEED THE DEMS TO STEP UP AND TAKE ACTION ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regarding health care and this contentious debate over Public Option, with all the new debt that has been accrued during the past year(s), how much will it really cost and how can it really be paid for to be successful?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want President Obama and ALL the Democrats to get some backbone and cajones to live, sweat, bleed, and succeed for what they want for the American people.  Forget the freaking polls and about getting re-elected!  Just do right by the people and we will ensure that they are relected.  But all this in-fighting among the DEM&#39;s Bluedogs, Progressives, and among the dozen cacauces makes me crazy!!!<br />I want them to win or lose fighting to the end for what the want and plan to do for the American people.<br />What we have now is unnerving and pure insanity.<br />The Republicans don&#39;t care about the American people; they only care about being in power so that they can &#8220;control&#8221; the American people with their utter and contemptible lies, manipulations, and don&#39;t-give-a-darn attitudes.  They are sick and repulsive.</p>
<p>WE NEED THE DEMS TO STEP UP AND TAKE ACTION ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!</p>
<p>Regarding health care and this contentious debate over Public Option, with all the new debt that has been accrued during the past year(s), how much will it really cost and how can it really be paid for to be successful?</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43454/holding-firm-on-the-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-205660</link>
		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m torn too. My gut says that caving on the public option is a deal breaker, afterall, the insurance companies have spent a great deal of money to demonize and influence against it, and the insurance companies are (in case anyone is still suffering from warm fuzzy feelings about them) in it for themselves. I&#039;m skeptical of the co-op ideas, but don&#039;t know enough about them yet, nor I think does anyone else, at least as far as how they would translate to a national stage. Frankly I&#039;m disgusted with the spineless dem wimps in congress who are so insulated from the realities many of us face that they will blow with the wind they like best. Let them eat cake seems to be their philosophy when it comes down to it. I have my own suggestion about what &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; might eat... Don&#039;t even get me started on the party of no, no ideas, no vision, no progress, no problem solving, no clue, no nothing, no...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m torn too. My gut says that caving on the public option is a deal breaker, afterall, the insurance companies have spent a great deal of money to demonize and influence against it, and the insurance companies are (in case anyone is still suffering from warm fuzzy feelings about them) in it for themselves. I&#39;m skeptical of the co-op ideas, but don&#39;t know enough about them yet, nor I think does anyone else, at least as far as how they would translate to a national stage. Frankly I&#39;m disgusted with the spineless dem wimps in congress who are so insulated from the realities many of us face that they will blow with the wind they like best. Let them eat cake seems to be their philosophy when it comes down to it. I have my own suggestion about what <i>they</i> might eat&#8230; Don&#39;t even get me started on the party of no, no ideas, no vision, no progress, no problem solving, no clue, no nothing, no&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: joeinhell</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43454/holding-firm-on-the-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-205655</link>
		<dc:creator>joeinhell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama needs a wakeup call with a swift kick in the nuts. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There has to be at least one Blue Dog Democrat willing to file a bill for Obama&#039;s impeachment for continuing war crimes for the last 6 months.  I can guarantee all Republicans will back it, the Blue Dog Democrats and the racially obsessed Democrats will make it a sure thing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Joe Biden is not my dream president but Obama has not moved one inch on the things that are important to me:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1.  Single payer health care for everyone.  No ids, no cutesy games.  Anyone can get care they need      when they need it.&lt;br&gt;2.  End these endless insanely expensive wars.  &lt;br&gt;3.  When the troops come home, see that they are taken care of.  I regard 100,000 veterans sleeping on the streets as a national disgrace, especially when 7,000 of them are women.  I can not get a grip on the extent of the PTSD in the troops.  We have never actually fought a war this long.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am so ashamed to be an american.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama needs a wakeup call with a swift kick in the nuts. </p>
<p>There has to be at least one Blue Dog Democrat willing to file a bill for Obama&#39;s impeachment for continuing war crimes for the last 6 months.  I can guarantee all Republicans will back it, the Blue Dog Democrats and the racially obsessed Democrats will make it a sure thing.</p>
<p>Joe Biden is not my dream president but Obama has not moved one inch on the things that are important to me:</p>
<p>1.  Single payer health care for everyone.  No ids, no cutesy games.  Anyone can get care they need      when they need it.<br />2.  End these endless insanely expensive wars.  <br />3.  When the troops come home, see that they are taken care of.  I regard 100,000 veterans sleeping on the streets as a national disgrace, especially when 7,000 of them are women.  I can not get a grip on the extent of the PTSD in the troops.  We have never actually fought a war this long.  </p>
<p>I am so ashamed to be an american.</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43454/holding-firm-on-the-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-205649</link>
		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress is not legislating by polls, FT. Congress is legislating by insurance companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress is not legislating by polls, FT. Congress is legislating by insurance companies.</p>
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		<title>By: caymen</title>
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		<dc:creator>caymen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama needs to forget about reaching across the isle.  Though his willingness to do so is one of the things I like about him.  The otherside doesn&#039;t want to play they are mad.  The main goal of the GOP is to cripple Obama&#039;s presidency and they will do anything to do, even if its not for the greater good.   What frustrates me most about the whole issue is that the GOP will say and do anything, the truth is inconsequential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama needs to forget about reaching across the isle.  Though his willingness to do so is one of the things I like about him.  The otherside doesn&#39;t want to play they are mad.  The main goal of the GOP is to cripple Obama&#39;s presidency and they will do anything to do, even if its not for the greater good.   What frustrates me most about the whole issue is that the GOP will say and do anything, the truth is inconsequential.</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I consider the &quot;Public Option&quot; basic for reform.  Without it, there is no reform.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It would be good if Congress would STOP LEGISLATING BY POLLS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I consider the &#8220;Public Option&#8221; basic for reform.  Without it, there is no reform.</p>
<p>It would be good if Congress would STOP LEGISLATING BY POLLS.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff_pickens</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe it should be a deal breaker.  And if it is defeated, it should be the number one agenda item on the next presidential election discussion circuit.  There should be a non-ending, resounding grass-roots voice asking about health care (not health &quot;insurance&quot;) and a public option.  And it should happen beginning with the primaries, even if only discussed within the Democratic party.  And the strongest candidate should be all about a public option health care plan for Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it should be a deal breaker.  And if it is defeated, it should be the number one agenda item on the next presidential election discussion circuit.  There should be a non-ending, resounding grass-roots voice asking about health care (not health &#8220;insurance&#8221;) and a public option.  And it should happen beginning with the primaries, even if only discussed within the Democratic party.  And the strongest candidate should be all about a public option health care plan for Americans.</p>
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