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		<title>By: WaPo Hypes &#8216;Boycott Whole Foods&#8217; Facebook Group &#124; linkthe.com</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43414/whole-fools/comment-page-1/#comment-206295</link>
		<dc:creator>WaPo Hypes &#8216;Boycott Whole Foods&#8217; Facebook Group &#124; linkthe.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JasonArvak</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43414/whole-fools/comment-page-1/#comment-205956</link>
		<dc:creator>JasonArvak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, its not.  But the race and the perceived political views of a CEO are both analogous as being equally irrelevant bases for choosing whether to try to put someone out of business, in my opinion.  That was the only point I was trying to make.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think that economic coercion should be a tool used to enforce compliance with a political agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, its not.  But the race and the perceived political views of a CEO are both analogous as being equally irrelevant bases for choosing whether to try to put someone out of business, in my opinion.  That was the only point I was trying to make.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t think that economic coercion should be a tool used to enforce compliance with a political agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43414/whole-fools/comment-page-1/#comment-205930</link>
		<dc:creator>Polimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pk22 said:  If it was just Mackey&#039;s opinion, then it wouldn&#039;t be anything more than annoying. But the op-ed is titled &quot;Whole Foods...&quot;, not &quot;John Mackey&#039;s...&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Evidently pk22 missed &lt;a href=&quot;http://themoderatevoice.com/43214/what-john-mackey-of-whole-foods-actually-wrote-vs-what-the-wsj-ran-see-for-yourself/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dr E&#039;s post&lt;/a&gt; (and numerous articles elsewhere) about the original title for Mackey&#039;s piece, and how it was changed by the WSJ editors.  If pk22&#039;s big problem with the editorial is the title, it&#039;s time for a re-think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pk22 said:  If it was just Mackey&#39;s opinion, then it wouldn&#39;t be anything more than annoying. But the op-ed is titled &#8220;Whole Foods&#8230;&#8221;, not &#8220;John Mackey&#39;s&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>Evidently pk22 missed <a href="http://themoderatevoice.com/43214/what-john-mackey-of-whole-foods-actually-wrote-vs-what-the-wsj-ran-see-for-yourself/" rel="nofollow">Dr E&#39;s post</a> (and numerous articles elsewhere) about the original title for Mackey&#39;s piece, and how it was changed by the WSJ editors.  If pk22&#39;s big problem with the editorial is the title, it&#39;s time for a re-think.</p>
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		<title>By: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43414/whole-fools/comment-page-1/#comment-205929</link>
		<dc:creator>Polimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;So if someone were to choose not to support a store because it was owned by a black person, would that also just be the free market in action?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think you&#039;ve grabbed an orange out of the apple bin, Jason.  Being black isn&#039;t a political position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>So if someone were to choose not to support a store because it was owned by a black person, would that also just be the free market in action?</em></p>
<p>I think you&#39;ve grabbed an orange out of the apple bin, Jason.  Being black isn&#39;t a political position.</p>
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		<title>By: JasonArvak</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43414/whole-fools/comment-page-1/#comment-205925</link>
		<dc:creator>JasonArvak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if someone were to choose not to support a store because it was owned by a black person, would that also just be the free market in action?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think that all the various reasons for choosing not to patronize a business are not equally legitimate.  And basing it on the perceived views of the owner or, worse, just the CEO seems to me the same thing that liberals would object to if the tables were reversed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if someone were to choose not to support a store because it was owned by a black person, would that also just be the free market in action?</p>
<p>I think that all the various reasons for choosing not to patronize a business are not equally legitimate.  And basing it on the perceived views of the owner or, worse, just the CEO seems to me the same thing that liberals would object to if the tables were reversed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jcavhs</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43414/whole-fools/comment-page-1/#comment-205721</link>
		<dc:creator>Jcavhs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t punishment it is people exercising their preferences.   Some people refuse to shop at Wal-Mart due to some of Wal-Mart&#039;s business practices.  That is their preference.  This is a comparable situation.   No one is punishing Whole Foods for the views of its CEO - they are just refusing to support it.  If I receive poor service at a store or restaurant and choose not to shop there, I&#039;m not punishing the store I&#039;m just choosing an alternative that fits my preferences better.  That is part of the free market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#39;t punishment it is people exercising their preferences.   Some people refuse to shop at Wal-Mart due to some of Wal-Mart&#39;s business practices.  That is their preference.  This is a comparable situation.   No one is punishing Whole Foods for the views of its CEO &#8211; they are just refusing to support it.  If I receive poor service at a store or restaurant and choose not to shop there, I&#39;m not punishing the store I&#39;m just choosing an alternative that fits my preferences better.  That is part of the free market.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff_pickens</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43414/whole-fools/comment-page-1/#comment-205646</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff_pickens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mackey: &quot;While we clearly need health-care reform, the last thing our country needs is a massive new health-care entitlement that will create hundreds of billions of dollars of new unfunded deficits and move us much closer to a government takeover of our health-care system.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, I guess that is one way to look at it: if one suggests that all of this &quot;entitlement&quot; will be done with &quot;no new taxes!!!&quot; and if there is something inherently and obviously wrong with a &quot;government takeover&quot; of health-care reimbursement.  I say:  tax away!  Put my $730/month (for private health &#039;insurance&#039;) to taxes and give me some reasonable non-employer options, without pre-existing clauses, and without the ability to drop me without due cause... prevent me from bankruptcy if I happen to need to spend a week in the ICU...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;...and&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mackey: &quot;While all of us empathize with those who are sick, how can we say that all people have more of an intrinsic right to health care than they have to food or shelter?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Health care is a service that we all need, but just like food and shelter it is best provided through voluntary and mutually beneficial market exchanges. A careful reading of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution will not reveal any intrinsic right to health care, food or shelter. That&#039;s because there isn&#039;t any. This &quot;right&quot; has never existed in America.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;...this is the meat of the rebellion, I believe.  Food and shelter arguments seem a little far-fetched to me, but they come up often.  And it&#039;s a little odd that he&#039;d bring up the food argument as his food prices are anything but accessible to all, although I understand the costs of the &quot;green&quot; methods.  The current health care situation is not a &quot;voluntary and mutually beneficial market exchange&quot;, or there wouldn&#039;t be any discussion currently.  You don&#039;t have thousands of Americans showing up at charity health clinics if the system is mutually beneficial to all.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are a lot of things that a careful reading of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution will not reveal.  It&#039;s not about what we&#039;re legally bound to do or about what &quot;right&quot; supersedes another right, it&#039;s about what we, as American people, can do for other Americans.  It&#039;s about the absolute shame we should have as a nation regarding the percentage of income spent on health-care services, and about how bankruptcy is the financial outcome for many who have the audacity to get sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mackey: &#8220;While we clearly need health-care reform, the last thing our country needs is a massive new health-care entitlement that will create hundreds of billions of dollars of new unfunded deficits and move us much closer to a government takeover of our health-care system.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I guess that is one way to look at it: if one suggests that all of this &#8220;entitlement&#8221; will be done with &#8220;no new taxes!!!&#8221; and if there is something inherently and obviously wrong with a &#8220;government takeover&#8221; of health-care reimbursement.  I say:  tax away!  Put my $730/month (for private health &#39;insurance&#39;) to taxes and give me some reasonable non-employer options, without pre-existing clauses, and without the ability to drop me without due cause&#8230; prevent me from bankruptcy if I happen to need to spend a week in the ICU&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;and</p>
<p>Mackey: &#8220;While all of us empathize with those who are sick, how can we say that all people have more of an intrinsic right to health care than they have to food or shelter?</p>
<p>&#8220;Health care is a service that we all need, but just like food and shelter it is best provided through voluntary and mutually beneficial market exchanges. A careful reading of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution will not reveal any intrinsic right to health care, food or shelter. That&#39;s because there isn&#39;t any. This &#8220;right&#8221; has never existed in America.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;this is the meat of the rebellion, I believe.  Food and shelter arguments seem a little far-fetched to me, but they come up often.  And it&#39;s a little odd that he&#39;d bring up the food argument as his food prices are anything but accessible to all, although I understand the costs of the &#8220;green&#8221; methods.  The current health care situation is not a &#8220;voluntary and mutually beneficial market exchange&#8221;, or there wouldn&#39;t be any discussion currently.  You don&#39;t have thousands of Americans showing up at charity health clinics if the system is mutually beneficial to all.</p>
<p>There are a lot of things that a careful reading of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution will not reveal.  It&#39;s not about what we&#39;re legally bound to do or about what &#8220;right&#8221; supersedes another right, it&#39;s about what we, as American people, can do for other Americans.  It&#39;s about the absolute shame we should have as a nation regarding the percentage of income spent on health-care services, and about how bankruptcy is the financial outcome for many who have the audacity to get sick.</p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43414/whole-fools/comment-page-1/#comment-205611</link>
		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say let the lefties boycott to their heart&#039;s content...........not much margin in arugula and sprouts anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say let the lefties boycott to their heart&#39;s content&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..not much margin in arugula and sprouts anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: pk22</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43414/whole-fools/comment-page-1/#comment-205598</link>
		<dc:creator>pk22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it was just Mackey&#039;s opinion, then it wouldn&#039;t be anything more than annoying.  But the op-ed is titled &quot;Whole Foods...&quot;, not &quot;John Mackey&#039;s...&quot;.   John Mackey is not cashing in on his fame to get into the WSJ, because he is not famous.  He is cashing in on the Whole Foods brand name.  A brand that was built on left-wing values and sells primarily to left-wing &quot;elitists&quot;.  Sorry, but that does make a difference.  It is no different than right wing people boycotting Colt when they were working with Clinton on safe guns.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lneilsmith.org/smithandwessonmustdie.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.lneilsmith.org/smithandwessonmustdie...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Shot+Dead+-+How+Colt+was+done+in-a061242179&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Shot+Dead+-+How+C...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_7_52/ai_61242179/pg_2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They were actually driven out of business.  Did you comment on that boycott?  Probably not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it was just Mackey&#39;s opinion, then it wouldn&#39;t be anything more than annoying.  But the op-ed is titled &#8220;Whole Foods&#8230;&#8221;, not &#8220;John Mackey&#39;s&#8230;&#8221;.   John Mackey is not cashing in on his fame to get into the WSJ, because he is not famous.  He is cashing in on the Whole Foods brand name.  A brand that was built on left-wing values and sells primarily to left-wing &#8220;elitists&#8221;.  Sorry, but that does make a difference.  It is no different than right wing people boycotting Colt when they were working with Clinton on safe guns.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lneilsmith.org/smithandwessonmustdie.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lneilsmith.org/smithandwessonmustdie&#8230;</a><br /><a href="http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Shot+Dead+-+How+Colt+was+done+in-a061242179" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Shot+Dead+-+How+C&#8230;</a><br /><a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_7_52/ai_61242179/pg_2/" rel="nofollow">http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_&#8230;</a></p>
<p>They were actually driven out of business.  Did you comment on that boycott?  Probably not.</p>
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		<title>By: MaryL</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43414/whole-fools/comment-page-1/#comment-205595</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re absolutely right, Jason. The socially responsible thing to do when you disagree with a social or political stance taken by a CEO is not to withhold your money from his business, publicize the reasons for your choice and encourage those who may agree with you to join the boycott. That&#039;s childish and unfair. Ordinary people have to live with the consequences of their words and actions: CEOs don&#039;t.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The responsible thing to do would be to shadow every public appearance the CEO makes in a state that allows you to openly carry a firearm, and ostentatiously loiter and preen with your gun and ambiguously threatening t-shirt or sign. This should happen over and over and over again. It&#039;s just as legal as a boycott and I see no earthly reason why the CEO should feel at all intimidated by a campaign like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;re absolutely right, Jason. The socially responsible thing to do when you disagree with a social or political stance taken by a CEO is not to withhold your money from his business, publicize the reasons for your choice and encourage those who may agree with you to join the boycott. That&#39;s childish and unfair. Ordinary people have to live with the consequences of their words and actions: CEOs don&#39;t.</p>
<p>The responsible thing to do would be to shadow every public appearance the CEO makes in a state that allows you to openly carry a firearm, and ostentatiously loiter and preen with your gun and ambiguously threatening t-shirt or sign. This should happen over and over and over again. It&#39;s just as legal as a boycott and I see no earthly reason why the CEO should feel at all intimidated by a campaign like that.</p>
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		<title>By: JasonArvak</title>
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		<dc:creator>JasonArvak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right.  Because while people are allowed to disagree with liberals, actually expressing it is intolerable!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I am told that Democrats are the open-minded party of tolerance and serious debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right.  Because while people are allowed to disagree with liberals, actually expressing it is intolerable!</p>
<p>And I am told that Democrats are the open-minded party of tolerance and serious debate.</p>
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		<title>By: DrToast</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/43414/whole-fools/comment-page-1/#comment-205561</link>
		<dc:creator>DrToast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole argument against the whole foods boycotters has been nothing but a continuous stream of strawmen, and this article is no exception.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The CEO can believe whatever the hell he wants. But when he pens an article with discredited right-wing, Frank Luntz talking points, he can and should expect some backlash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole argument against the whole foods boycotters has been nothing but a continuous stream of strawmen, and this article is no exception.</p>
<p>The CEO can believe whatever the hell he wants. But when he pens an article with discredited right-wing, Frank Luntz talking points, he can and should expect some backlash.</p>
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