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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/42949/geneva-coventions-and-the-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-204221</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jeainnj, we know that rapists don&#039;t obey the law. Should we then condone rape by our soldiers? After all, if our enemies aren&#039;t going to be lawful, moral and decent people, why should we be?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;DQ, just can&#039;t help it, overcome as I am by liberal delusions like &quot;rule of law&quot; ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeainnj, we know that rapists don&#39;t obey the law. Should we then condone rape by our soldiers? After all, if our enemies aren&#39;t going to be lawful, moral and decent people, why should we be?</p>
<p>DQ, just can&#39;t help it, overcome as I am by liberal delusions like &#8220;rule of law&#8221; <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/42949/geneva-coventions-and-the-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-204055</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Amen. When the world&#039;s so-called superpower officially accepts, condones and implements torture, &quot;the worst offenders&quot; turn out to include us. And while we worked to prosecute former worst offenders, we refuse to even investigate our own abuses. Way to go, America.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why do you hate America?  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Amen. When the world&#39;s so-called superpower officially accepts, condones and implements torture, &#8220;the worst offenders&#8221; turn out to include us. And while we worked to prosecute former worst offenders, we refuse to even investigate our own abuses. Way to go, America.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why do you hate America?  <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jeainnj</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/42949/geneva-coventions-and-the-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-204052</link>
		<dc:creator>jeainnj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know the terrorists don&#039;t follow them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know the terrorists don&#39;t follow them.</p>
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		<title>By: swaraaj</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/42949/geneva-coventions-and-the-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-203989</link>
		<dc:creator>swaraaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are some interesting quotes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;“The time when cruelties and atrocities go unpunished must come to an end. Let us renew&lt;br&gt;today this commitment that inspired the founders of the United Nations. Let us strongly reaffirm the&lt;br&gt;‘never again’ expressed 50 years ago”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(Statement by Austria, on behalf of EU, in the UNGA, 2 Dec.&lt;br&gt;1998)&lt;br&gt;-----------------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;On the other hand, we have also witnessed many violations of the Geneva Conventions. The good news is that these violations no longer pass in silence. While in the past giving effect to the obligation to account for violations was rather the exception than the rule, the situation is gradually changing. Impunity for serious violations of international humanitarian law can no longer be taken for granted. This change in attitude has come about, in large part, under the pressure of public opinion...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;What is needed now is a common European approach to the application of IHL, with four main focus areas, namely: implementation; dissemination; advocating for humanity; and accountability. This call to action reflects an initiative taken within the European Legal Support Group, comprising the legal advisers of various European national Red Cross societies. A number of these will send a common letter to their national authorities on the 60th anniversary of the Geneva Conventions.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;So what does this mean? In terms firstly of implementation, there should be a continued momentum within Europe towards ratifying all IHL conventions, in particular the three Additional Protocols to the Geneva Conventions.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Official Statement  on the 60th anniversary of the Geneva Conventions&lt;br&gt;Address by Christine Beerli, ICRC Vice-President, London, 9 July 2009&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/geneva-conventions-implementation-statement-090709&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/g...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;----------------------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;The ICRC is also looking at aspects of Article 3 common to the Geneva Conventions that need to be further clarified. Article 3 is widely regarded as a mini Convention in itself, binding States and non-state armed groups; a baseline from which no departure, under any circumstances, is allowed. It applies minimum legal standards to the treatment of all persons in enemy hands, regardless of how they may be legally or politically classified or in whose custody they may be. We are preparing a consolidated reading of the protective legal and policy framework applicable in non-international armed conflicts that meet the threshold of common Article 3.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;The ICRC has a responsibility in ensuring that the Conventions will continue to stand the test of time. Of course it is the political and legal responsibility primarily of States, which have universally ratified the Conventions, to ensure that they are implemented and enforced.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Ideally of course, all parties to an armed conflict, whatever they call themselves or each other, would appreciate that it is in their own best interest to apply the legal restraints provided by IHL. After all, combatants on both sides have obligations as well as rights. On the other hand, failure to prevent abuse against others ultimately removes the safeguard against similar abuse in return. The result, simply put, is spiralling human suffering...&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Address by Jakob Kellenberger, President of the ICRC, Geneva, 12 August 2009.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/geneva-conventions-statement-president-120809&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlal...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some interesting quotes:</p>
<p>“The time when cruelties and atrocities go unpunished must come to an end. Let us renew<br />today this commitment that inspired the founders of the United Nations. Let us strongly reaffirm the<br />‘never again’ expressed 50 years ago”</p>
<p>(Statement by Austria, on behalf of EU, in the UNGA, 2 Dec.<br />1998)<br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;On the other hand, we have also witnessed many violations of the Geneva Conventions. The good news is that these violations no longer pass in silence. While in the past giving effect to the obligation to account for violations was rather the exception than the rule, the situation is gradually changing. Impunity for serious violations of international humanitarian law can no longer be taken for granted. This change in attitude has come about, in large part, under the pressure of public opinion&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;What is needed now is a common European approach to the application of IHL, with four main focus areas, namely: implementation; dissemination; advocating for humanity; and accountability. This call to action reflects an initiative taken within the European Legal Support Group, comprising the legal advisers of various European national Red Cross societies. A number of these will send a common letter to their national authorities on the 60th anniversary of the Geneva Conventions.</p>
<p>&#8220;So what does this mean? In terms firstly of implementation, there should be a continued momentum within Europe towards ratifying all IHL conventions, in particular the three Additional Protocols to the Geneva Conventions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Official Statement  on the 60th anniversary of the Geneva Conventions<br />Address by Christine Beerli, ICRC Vice-President, London, 9 July 2009</p>
<p><a href="http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/geneva-conventions-implementation-statement-090709" rel="nofollow">http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/g&#8230;</a><br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>&#8220;The ICRC is also looking at aspects of Article 3 common to the Geneva Conventions that need to be further clarified. Article 3 is widely regarded as a mini Convention in itself, binding States and non-state armed groups; a baseline from which no departure, under any circumstances, is allowed. It applies minimum legal standards to the treatment of all persons in enemy hands, regardless of how they may be legally or politically classified or in whose custody they may be. We are preparing a consolidated reading of the protective legal and policy framework applicable in non-international armed conflicts that meet the threshold of common Article 3.</p>
<p>&#8220;The ICRC has a responsibility in ensuring that the Conventions will continue to stand the test of time. Of course it is the political and legal responsibility primarily of States, which have universally ratified the Conventions, to ensure that they are implemented and enforced.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ideally of course, all parties to an armed conflict, whatever they call themselves or each other, would appreciate that it is in their own best interest to apply the legal restraints provided by IHL. After all, combatants on both sides have obligations as well as rights. On the other hand, failure to prevent abuse against others ultimately removes the safeguard against similar abuse in return. The result, simply put, is spiralling human suffering&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Address by Jakob Kellenberger, President of the ICRC, Geneva, 12 August 2009.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/geneva-conventions-statement-president-120809" rel="nofollow">http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlal&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: prcanavese</title>
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		<dc:creator>prcanavese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But do you think if we made revisions to the convention it would make America more willing to follow the laws, although to be honest, we should follow them regardless.  There is a lot of talk among the media about what would happen if we did sign a new convention.  Check out what they are saying here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsy.com/videos/geneva_turns_60_years_old&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.newsy.com/videos/geneva_turns_60_yea...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But do you think if we made revisions to the convention it would make America more willing to follow the laws, although to be honest, we should follow them regardless.  There is a lot of talk among the media about what would happen if we did sign a new convention.  Check out what they are saying here.<br /><a href="http://www.newsy.com/videos/geneva_turns_60_years_old" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsy.com/videos/geneva_turns_60_yea&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/42949/geneva-coventions-and-the-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-203671</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“In any case, better than new rules would be more effective enforcement of those that already exist. For a while, after the horrors of the 1990s in Europe and Africa, there was hope that ending impunity for the worst offenders might curb the worst excesses in conflicts. Yet here the prospects seem again to be turning bleak.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Amen. When the world&#039;s so-called superpower officially accepts, condones and implements torture, &quot;the worst offenders&quot; turn out to include us. And while we worked to prosecute former worst offenders, we refuse to even investigate our own abuses. Way to go, America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“In any case, better than new rules would be more effective enforcement of those that already exist. For a while, after the horrors of the 1990s in Europe and Africa, there was hope that ending impunity for the worst offenders might curb the worst excesses in conflicts. Yet here the prospects seem again to be turning bleak.&#8221;</p>
<p>Amen. When the world&#39;s so-called superpower officially accepts, condones and implements torture, &#8220;the worst offenders&#8221; turn out to include us. And while we worked to prosecute former worst offenders, we refuse to even investigate our own abuses. Way to go, America.</p>
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