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	<title>Comments on: GOP Becoming Birther Party? 58 Percent Unsure/Doubt Obama Really Born In U.S.</title>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has been more ridiculous from the start than the &quot;birthers&quot; has been leftist obscession with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has been more ridiculous from the start than the &#8220;birthers&#8221; has been leftist obscession with them.</p>
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		<title>By: jwest</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like the fear liberals have of Sarah Palin, this birth certificate issue terrifies them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most conservatives (and an increasing number of independents) believe Obama was born in the U.S. but can’t understand why he is hiding his long form birth certificate.  I’m sure if the situation was reversed and it was a Republican refusing to release the document, the liberals would let the matter drop quietly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This issue is not going away.  When Obama screwed up his response to the Gates matter, it took his crack team over a week to put together the “Beer Summit” and in that time attitudes hardened and his polls went down.  Now, brain addled liberals are trying to laugh off the birth issue but the polls keep swinging the other way.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Keep it up Barry.  You’ll be another Jimmy Carter yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like the fear liberals have of Sarah Palin, this birth certificate issue terrifies them.</p>
<p>Most conservatives (and an increasing number of independents) believe Obama was born in the U.S. but can’t understand why he is hiding his long form birth certificate.  I’m sure if the situation was reversed and it was a Republican refusing to release the document, the liberals would let the matter drop quietly.</p>
<p>This issue is not going away.  When Obama screwed up his response to the Gates matter, it took his crack team over a week to put together the “Beer Summit” and in that time attitudes hardened and his polls went down.  Now, brain addled liberals are trying to laugh off the birth issue but the polls keep swinging the other way.</p>
<p>Keep it up Barry.  You’ll be another Jimmy Carter yet.</p>
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		<title>By: scubadew</title>
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		<dc:creator>scubadew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 09:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If these numbers are correct, the GOP is in an even deeper mess than even we liberals could have imagined. How can they run for national office if it means somehow placating both independents and a base that&#039;s gone totally off its rocker? God, when you look at this, it&#039;s no wonder Republican senators are retiring in droves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If these numbers are correct, the GOP is in an even deeper mess than even we liberals could have imagined. How can they run for national office if it means somehow placating both independents and a base that&#39;s gone totally off its rocker? God, when you look at this, it&#39;s no wonder Republican senators are retiring in droves.</p>
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		<title>By: EEllis</title>
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		<dc:creator>EEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 06:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kos? If there was a Kos poll that said the sky was blue I&#039;d go outside to check. Listening to anything from them is as bad as listening to the birth cert crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kos? If there was a Kos poll that said the sky was blue I&#39;d go outside to check. Listening to anything from them is as bad as listening to the birth cert crap.</p>
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		<title>By: T_Steel</title>
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		<dc:creator>T_Steel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 04:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such a waste of time this Obama birth certificate issue is.  A co-worker of mine (and family friend), born and raised in Honolulu, showed me her birth certificate and it looks exactly like President Obama&#039;s (minus the Obama details).  There is nothing there and just helps the Democrats in painting Republicans as unhinged.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Republicans can go after President Obama on many issues.  But the birth certificate thingy just kills credibility.  And one thing about the MSM, they love broadcasting the unhinged, nutters, and wackaroons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such a waste of time this Obama birth certificate issue is.  A co-worker of mine (and family friend), born and raised in Honolulu, showed me her birth certificate and it looks exactly like President Obama&#39;s (minus the Obama details).  There is nothing there and just helps the Democrats in painting Republicans as unhinged.</p>
<p>Republicans can go after President Obama on many issues.  But the birth certificate thingy just kills credibility.  And one thing about the MSM, they love broadcasting the unhinged, nutters, and wackaroons.</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, the most amazing thing about the Taitz interview is that Colbert didn&#039;t have to even set her up much. She very happily walked into cuckoo land all by herself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, the most amazing thing about the Taitz interview is that Colbert didn&#39;t have to even set her up much. She very happily walked into cuckoo land all by herself.</p>
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		<title>By: mlhradio</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlhradio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just love the teabagger/birther nuts - it&#039;s the gift that keeps on giving to the Democratic Party - their continued existence pretty much ensures that the childish republicans will remain in a minority status for as long as they continue to whine.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For a few good reason why Americans continue to humor the silly teabagger/birthers, here&#039;s a blog entry I ran across on TPM recently: (&lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/republicans-stepping-away-from-the-birthers.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/repu...&lt;/a&gt;) - I did not write this, just copying it from the link above:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Because its equally pointless, I enjoy answering birther challenges as much as they like slinging them. So I&#039;ll examine a few of their questions.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why doesn&#039;t Obama submit to the demands of the birthers? The birthers are demanding that Obama prove himself innocent to the unobtainable satisfaction of the birthers on a matter that the birthers have zero evidence Obama has done anything wrong. &quot;Prove yourself innocent.&quot; That&#039;s the recipe for a witch hunt.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Submitting to the birthers would make them feel empowered. All this &quot;why doesn&#039;t he just fork over the certificate if he has nothing to hide&quot; nonsense is ignorant. The birthers think they have a threat. &quot;Submit to us, or we&#039;ll accuse you of something terrible.&quot; It also shows the impossibility of reasoning with birthers, as anyone who understands logic knows that absense of evidence is not evidence.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The birthers have no agenda but to destroy those who disagree with them. There is no search for the truth. There is a search for the most effective lie. The lies and accusations go on forever, no matter what is produced. It can only get worse.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is no upside to proving anything. If Obama turns over a document that disproves what the birthers claim, the birthers will just call it a forgery, or just plain pretend it isn&#039;t there like the newspaper announcements of Obama&#039;s birth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is no downside to refusing to submit. The public sees the birthers as kooks, so there is no way the birther nonsense will snowball. In fact, the more exposure it gets, the worse Republicans look. Mainstream Republicans know that, so they have to distance themselves. That angers the birthers, who in turn reject the Republican party. The GOP could split.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The funniest part is, the GOP pushed hatred and lies through the right wing media to create a segment of the population that is stupid and furious. Now the GOP is getting strangled by the very Frankenstein they created. They have no way to turn it off.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why would Obama stand in the way of that?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ALSO: The Constitution provides many safeguards when choosing a president. The last step is the certification of the election by Congress. That&#039;s final. If it turned out later that Obama wasn&#039;t a citizen, he&#039;d still be president and all his actions would be valid. The only way to remove him is by impeachment. The courts have no power here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just love the teabagger/birther nuts &#8211; it&#39;s the gift that keeps on giving to the Democratic Party &#8211; their continued existence pretty much ensures that the childish republicans will remain in a minority status for as long as they continue to whine.</p>
<p>For a few good reason why Americans continue to humor the silly teabagger/birthers, here&#39;s a blog entry I ran across on TPM recently: (<a href="http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/republicans-stepping-away-from-the-birthers.php" rel="nofollow">http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/repu&#8230;</a>) &#8211; I did not write this, just copying it from the link above:</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Because its equally pointless, I enjoy answering birther challenges as much as they like slinging them. So I&#39;ll examine a few of their questions.</p>
<p>Why doesn&#39;t Obama submit to the demands of the birthers? The birthers are demanding that Obama prove himself innocent to the unobtainable satisfaction of the birthers on a matter that the birthers have zero evidence Obama has done anything wrong. &#8220;Prove yourself innocent.&#8221; That&#39;s the recipe for a witch hunt.</p>
<p>Submitting to the birthers would make them feel empowered. All this &#8220;why doesn&#39;t he just fork over the certificate if he has nothing to hide&#8221; nonsense is ignorant. The birthers think they have a threat. &#8220;Submit to us, or we&#39;ll accuse you of something terrible.&#8221; It also shows the impossibility of reasoning with birthers, as anyone who understands logic knows that absense of evidence is not evidence.</p>
<p>The birthers have no agenda but to destroy those who disagree with them. There is no search for the truth. There is a search for the most effective lie. The lies and accusations go on forever, no matter what is produced. It can only get worse.</p>
<p>There is no upside to proving anything. If Obama turns over a document that disproves what the birthers claim, the birthers will just call it a forgery, or just plain pretend it isn&#39;t there like the newspaper announcements of Obama&#39;s birth.</p>
<p>There is no downside to refusing to submit. The public sees the birthers as kooks, so there is no way the birther nonsense will snowball. In fact, the more exposure it gets, the worse Republicans look. Mainstream Republicans know that, so they have to distance themselves. That angers the birthers, who in turn reject the Republican party. The GOP could split.</p>
<p>The funniest part is, the GOP pushed hatred and lies through the right wing media to create a segment of the population that is stupid and furious. Now the GOP is getting strangled by the very Frankenstein they created. They have no way to turn it off.</p>
<p>Why would Obama stand in the way of that?</p>
<p>ALSO: The Constitution provides many safeguards when choosing a president. The last step is the certification of the election by Congress. That&#39;s final. If it turned out later that Obama wasn&#39;t a citizen, he&#39;d still be president and all his actions would be valid. The only way to remove him is by impeachment. The courts have no power here.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeSorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Big-Dog-Birther-Lady was on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/29/colbert-vs-crazy-stephen_n_246700.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stephen Colbert &lt;/a&gt;show earlier this week, where she said there was NOTHING that would convince her that Obama was legitimately the President of the United States. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;NOTHING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Big-Dog-Birther-Lady was on the <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/29/colbert-vs-crazy-stephen_n_246700.html" rel="nofollow">Stephen Colbert </a>show earlier this week, where she said there was NOTHING that would convince her that Obama was legitimately the President of the United States. </p>
<p>NOTHING.</p>
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		<title>By: qwert321</title>
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		<dc:creator>qwert321</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;who still can’t stop talking about Reverend Wright&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A lot of people think Obama is a lying scumbag because of his lack of candor in regards to his relationship with Wright.    This lack of trust spills over to birth certificate issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>who still can’t stop talking about Reverend Wright</i></p>
<p>A lot of people think Obama is a lying scumbag because of his lack of candor in regards to his relationship with Wright.    This lack of trust spills over to birth certificate issue.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you please supply a non-partisan poll instead of the Kos poll that is designed to make Republicans look bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you please supply a non-partisan poll instead of the Kos poll that is designed to make Republicans look bad.</p>
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		<title>By: RememebrNovember</title>
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		<dc:creator>RememebrNovember</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just goes to show for 15$ a month you can play connect the dots in the clouds. Forget empirical data so long as there&#039;s enough wiggle room to make a chasm so you can jump to conclusions, padded heavily by unsupported facts and innuendo.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;O&#039;reilly&#039;s no fooll- a hack and a spinmeister yes, but not a fool to commit career suicide like Dobbs did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just goes to show for 15$ a month you can play connect the dots in the clouds. Forget empirical data so long as there&#39;s enough wiggle room to make a chasm so you can jump to conclusions, padded heavily by unsupported facts and innuendo.</p>
<p>O&#39;reilly&#39;s no fooll- a hack and a spinmeister yes, but not a fool to commit career suicide like Dobbs did.</p>
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