Comments on: At Last. Racism is Dead in the Northeast http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:25:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: psmith123456 http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-198334 psmith123456 Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:25:57 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-198334 During the 1990s when racism arose in the NHL, the General Manager of the New York Rangers, Glen Sather, said, "I wish they'd go back to calling each other f****** a*******."<br><br>If the cop in question didn't intend to offend anyone, he would have called Gates a moron. That's not to say that I think Gates is stupid, but sticking to questioning people's intelligence isn't going to lead to lawsuits or accusations of racism.<br><br>If one really feels the need to insulting others' ancestry, stick to discussing whether the person's parents were married, not which mammal the person descended from. During the 1990s when racism arose in the NHL, the General Manager of the New York Rangers, Glen Sather, said, “I wish they'd go back to calling each other f****** a*******.”

If the cop in question didn't intend to offend anyone, he would have called Gates a moron. That's not to say that I think Gates is stupid, but sticking to questioning people's intelligence isn't going to lead to lawsuits or accusations of racism.

If one really feels the need to insulting others' ancestry, stick to discussing whether the person's parents were married, not which mammal the person descended from.

]]> By: DanDierdorf http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-197854 DanDierdorf Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:29:54 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-197854 Intentionally or not this whole thread is hilarious.<br><br>Thanks Jazz Intentionally or not this whole thread is hilarious.

Thanks Jazz

]]> By: archangel http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-197801 archangel Fri, 31 Jul 2009 05:35:40 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-197801 man T-Steels, I was thinking Prof Gates for a minute there sounded more like he was channeling old Sweetback, you know Bad A... man T-Steels, I was thinking Prof Gates for a minute there sounded more like he was channeling old Sweetback, you know Bad A…

]]> By: T_Steel http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-197791 T_Steel Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:30:53 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-197791 C'mon Whitmore! Not Blacky McBlack. But Negro Del Negro. Gates IS a educated and cultured man. Let's use some fancy talk! C'mon Whitmore! Not Blacky McBlack. But Negro Del Negro. Gates IS a educated and cultured man. Let's use some fancy talk!

]]> By: janinedm http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-197786 janinedm Fri, 31 Jul 2009 04:06:03 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-197786 Sorry, Jazz. I'm on edge, literally 1 more episode of police misconduct away from a dashiki and afro pick. Joe, your comment is longer than the post! Sorry, Jazz. I'm on edge, literally 1 more episode of police misconduct away from a dashiki and afro pick. Joe, your comment is longer than the post!

]]> By: joemechanic http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-197762 joemechanic Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:36:10 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-197762 Profiling - what is it and why is it not a good thing? We do it every moment of every waking day. Correction, 24 -7 in this digital age. <br>We are profiled on the Net, in the supermarket, at the bank, your service companies such as electric, gas, your local auto mechanic, delivery services, and Doctors.<br>A few of the above mentioned you would have to say, is really a good thing. Why would I want to go to a doctor for a checkup and be tested for a genetic disorder that only Asian race people would have? And I am not Asian. <br>Enough about basic Profiling. It is done all the time on small and large scales. An educated individual Knows this and is not above it because it is useful in many decisions. <br>Profiling gets labeled as evil, ridiculously when the buzz word of race is added to the formula. I say it is ridiculous because it is only one keystroke away in a database and a nanosecond away in a human mind, so this is only a natural event, not anything bigger than that. <br>I believe, what we do with that information, is where the trouble begins. <br>Is it a police sergeant’s fault that he has been informed by his precinct, that 80 percent of the break-ins in his neighborhood are perpetrated by black race people? <br>The fact remains that anyone found in the unfortunate situation of being behind a broken door of a home, recently called in as a possible burglary, will have to show total cooperation until the situation can be verified without any doubt. <br>The window of total cooperation was diminished quickly by a flare of temper of the homeowner. The minimum at that point would be a quiet ride to the PD to ask a few questions and verify identity. With a challenge at hand, you get cuffed and booked; this is what happens to anyone. Not just our Dr./ professor.<br>As educated and powerful as the Dr is, he just was not aware of his situation. If the police officer let it slide his career would be on the line. Showing favoritism is as bad as going the other way. The policeman has to be committed to the law when people’s safety is involved. Or we will just make up laws as we go, and we know that doesn’t work. <br>How do you think this would have played out if the policeman was invited in, given a polite hello and a cold drink while all the information was called in? <br><br>The actions of this police officer in this situation should not be questioned. <br>The law should protect everyone, and in this case if the police officer had a good or bad track record he should be safe. Unless we possibly – Profile him into a bad position. For the sake of a good story. <br><br>What about the more vulnerable other side of the story. The Dr. has not been bound by anything thing but the rule of society. By the way those rules do not mix well with the rule of law. That would take a novel to get the smallest point across so I won’t go there. But trust me it just doesn’t mix well. <br><br>The only question I ask myself is what in the world would make the Dr. choose a posture of being Un-cooperative with the police. <br><br>Some history. <br><br>The Dr. Acquired a PHD in England at Cambridge, and then went to Yale University, Cornell, Duke, and then Harvard.<br>The Resume advertised was 30 pages long. <br>As a person who is not as well written as the Dr. I have been told I need to have a one page resume, maybe two, or my perspective employer may think I can’t keep a job. <br>Lightheartedly said to emphasize the point, the Dr has position and power. He has been teaching African history and has studied all there is to know about the hard and soft authors on Black history. The information and interviews I saw on TV with the Dr. show a contrast of a well spoken calm mannered man. And there are taped interviews of a flipside of a forceful street slang sassy guy. A duality that has been criticized and praised. <br>The duality has been explained in an interview partly, by the fact that his mother was the star of his life. And there are a few quotes from her that are without doubt anti White. The Dr has had the exceptional privilege to teach not only historical and informational history, but also the controversial violent black writers he mentioned in an interview.<br> necn.com/Boston/NECN-Extra/2009/07/28/Uncut-A-sitdown-with-Henry/1248796746.html <br>A smart man faced with a challenge would use what is a handicap to be an advantage if he could do so. It could only be the handicap that the Dr has mentioned so many times. And that is that he has been persecuted because he is black. This may be so. He has been taught that is the case and I would have to believe he emulates that all the time. It is his course of life and study. <br><br>What color is the stain?<br>Have you ever had a stain on a very nice shirt? Does it really matter the color of that stain? Let me answer, No<br>I will make a stain but I really don’t want to put a color on it. It could be construed that the police officer only did do his job, the one we pay him to do. The person who was uncooperative was treated as, an un-cooperative person. DONE<br>The police officers record is not even a question now. He could be an ex-terrorist and he has the power and protection of the law with him.<br>The Dr is now at the mercy and the civility of his peers. I and that makes everyone his peer. Including me. A fine upstanding GED holder. <br><br>Maybe we are overlooking a fact that this arrest may be a stain the Dr was trying to make from the very start of his outrage. This may be his way of cleaning his house of all the conflict he has studied and experienced all his life. <br>I personally feel it is poor judgment to bring the entire nation into this group therapy, especially with an African American newly holding the most powerful position in the world. I will bet some hard lines will be peppered at the good Dr about his need for a spotlight at such a huge juncture for President Obama.<br>And as the Brazilian owned Bud Light is cooling the hand of our president, It may keep him from backhanding the Sergeant for saying to the press “The president should bud out of his arrest” That is like the little mouse flipping off the Eagle just before he is crushed by his claws. Sorry to the mouse lovers for the graphic analogy. <br>Joe the Mechanic Profiling – what is it and why is it not a good thing? We do it every moment of every waking day. Correction, 24 -7 in this digital age.
We are profiled on the Net, in the supermarket, at the bank, your service companies such as electric, gas, your local auto mechanic, delivery services, and Doctors.
A few of the above mentioned you would have to say, is really a good thing. Why would I want to go to a doctor for a checkup and be tested for a genetic disorder that only Asian race people would have? And I am not Asian.
Enough about basic Profiling. It is done all the time on small and large scales. An educated individual Knows this and is not above it because it is useful in many decisions.
Profiling gets labeled as evil, ridiculously when the buzz word of race is added to the formula. I say it is ridiculous because it is only one keystroke away in a database and a nanosecond away in a human mind, so this is only a natural event, not anything bigger than that.
I believe, what we do with that information, is where the trouble begins.
Is it a police sergeant’s fault that he has been informed by his precinct, that 80 percent of the break-ins in his neighborhood are perpetrated by black race people?
The fact remains that anyone found in the unfortunate situation of being behind a broken door of a home, recently called in as a possible burglary, will have to show total cooperation until the situation can be verified without any doubt.
The window of total cooperation was diminished quickly by a flare of temper of the homeowner. The minimum at that point would be a quiet ride to the PD to ask a few questions and verify identity. With a challenge at hand, you get cuffed and booked; this is what happens to anyone. Not just our Dr./ professor.
As educated and powerful as the Dr is, he just was not aware of his situation. If the police officer let it slide his career would be on the line. Showing favoritism is as bad as going the other way. The policeman has to be committed to the law when people’s safety is involved. Or we will just make up laws as we go, and we know that doesn’t work.
How do you think this would have played out if the policeman was invited in, given a polite hello and a cold drink while all the information was called in?

The actions of this police officer in this situation should not be questioned.
The law should protect everyone, and in this case if the police officer had a good or bad track record he should be safe. Unless we possibly – Profile him into a bad position. For the sake of a good story.

What about the more vulnerable other side of the story. The Dr. has not been bound by anything thing but the rule of society. By the way those rules do not mix well with the rule of law. That would take a novel to get the smallest point across so I won’t go there. But trust me it just doesn’t mix well.

The only question I ask myself is what in the world would make the Dr. choose a posture of being Un-cooperative with the police.

Some history.

The Dr. Acquired a PHD in England at Cambridge, and then went to Yale University, Cornell, Duke, and then Harvard.
The Resume advertised was 30 pages long.
As a person who is not as well written as the Dr. I have been told I need to have a one page resume, maybe two, or my perspective employer may think I can’t keep a job.
Lightheartedly said to emphasize the point, the Dr has position and power. He has been teaching African history and has studied all there is to know about the hard and soft authors on Black history. The information and interviews I saw on TV with the Dr. show a contrast of a well spoken calm mannered man. And there are taped interviews of a flipside of a forceful street slang sassy guy. A duality that has been criticized and praised.
The duality has been explained in an interview partly, by the fact that his mother was the star of his life. And there are a few quotes from her that are without doubt anti White. The Dr has had the exceptional privilege to teach not only historical and informational history, but also the controversial violent black writers he mentioned in an interview.
necn.com/Boston/NECN-Extra/2009/07/28/Uncut-A-sitdown-with-Henry/1248796746.html
A smart man faced with a challenge would use what is a handicap to be an advantage if he could do so. It could only be the handicap that the Dr has mentioned so many times. And that is that he has been persecuted because he is black. This may be so. He has been taught that is the case and I would have to believe he emulates that all the time. It is his course of life and study.

What color is the stain?
Have you ever had a stain on a very nice shirt? Does it really matter the color of that stain? Let me answer, No
I will make a stain but I really don’t want to put a color on it. It could be construed that the police officer only did do his job, the one we pay him to do. The person who was uncooperative was treated as, an un-cooperative person. DONE
The police officers record is not even a question now. He could be an ex-terrorist and he has the power and protection of the law with him.
The Dr is now at the mercy and the civility of his peers. I and that makes everyone his peer. Including me. A fine upstanding GED holder.

Maybe we are overlooking a fact that this arrest may be a stain the Dr was trying to make from the very start of his outrage. This may be his way of cleaning his house of all the conflict he has studied and experienced all his life.
I personally feel it is poor judgment to bring the entire nation into this group therapy, especially with an African American newly holding the most powerful position in the world. I will bet some hard lines will be peppered at the good Dr about his need for a spotlight at such a huge juncture for President Obama.
And as the Brazilian owned Bud Light is cooling the hand of our president, It may keep him from backhanding the Sergeant for saying to the press “The president should bud out of his arrest” That is like the little mouse flipping off the Eagle just before he is crushed by his claws. Sorry to the mouse lovers for the graphic analogy.
Joe the Mechanic

]]> By: Lit3Bolt http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-197759 Lit3Bolt Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:28:44 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-197759 Don't be silly, Jazz. The Northeast solved racism for all time when they won the Civil War centuries ago. They built the massive ghettos of South Side Chicago and Harlem as monuments to this lasting achievement. Don't be silly, Jazz. The Northeast solved racism for all time when they won the Civil War centuries ago. They built the massive ghettos of South Side Chicago and Harlem as monuments to this lasting achievement.

]]> By: GeorgeSorwell http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-197758 GeorgeSorwell Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:26:25 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-197758 <blockquote>Jeebus, I have GOT to petition T-Steel to bring back my satire tag.</blockquote><br>Sure, go ahead and blame your problems on <em>a black man</em>. ;)

Jeebus, I have GOT to petition T-Steel to bring back my satire tag.

Sure, go ahead and blame your problems on a black man. ;)

]]> By: Jazz http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-197751 Jazz Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:45:21 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-197751 Jeebus, I have GOT to petition T-Steel to bring back my satire tag.<br><br>/sigh Jeebus, I have GOT to petition T-Steel to bring back my satire tag.

/sigh

]]> By: janinedm http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-197750 janinedm Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:37:14 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-197750 What's your point? Look, the race thing's neither here nor there, but if you're going to support arresting 60 year old jerks in their own home once they've established that they live there just to prove some point, then that's on you. The police have guns and power, and I'm not comfortable with them being able to arrest people in their homes. I realize things happen, but I am 1 million percent uncomfortable for normalizing that sort of behavior from the police. If he wasn't doing anything illegal, why should people be okay with him just getting arrested? You realize that this could happen to you and, unless you're famous and I don't know it, you'd likely be screwed. I think jails are for criminals and that we as a society should demand that. Call me crazy. Yes, the are a million situations where police are in danger or possible danger and have to make snap judgments. This wasn't one of them. What's your point? Look, the race thing's neither here nor there, but if you're going to support arresting 60 year old jerks in their own home once they've established that they live there just to prove some point, then that's on you. The police have guns and power, and I'm not comfortable with them being able to arrest people in their homes. I realize things happen, but I am 1 million percent uncomfortable for normalizing that sort of behavior from the police. If he wasn't doing anything illegal, why should people be okay with him just getting arrested? You realize that this could happen to you and, unless you're famous and I don't know it, you'd likely be screwed. I think jails are for criminals and that we as a society should demand that. Call me crazy. Yes, the are a million situations where police are in danger or possible danger and have to make snap judgments. This wasn't one of them.

]]> By: casualobserver http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-197749 casualobserver Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:23:07 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-197749 @@If I had arrested someone without cause@@<br><br>Stop insulting people's intelligence...........fine, the disorderly conduct is a judgemental call that is routinely dropped, and the cop would know it wouldn't go anywhere near a court docket..........however, if Gates is such an intelligent person and represented by a Harvard Law School Dean no less, doesn't at least the first 5 of your IQ points suggest to you that "without cause" would have been immediately filed against? @@If I had arrested someone without cause@@

Stop insulting people's intelligence………..fine, the disorderly conduct is a judgemental call that is routinely dropped, and the cop would know it wouldn't go anywhere near a court docket……….however, if Gates is such an intelligent person and represented by a Harvard Law School Dean no less, doesn't at least the first 5 of your IQ points suggest to you that “without cause” would have been immediately filed against?

]]> By: janinedm http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-197747 janinedm Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:09:16 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-197747 Just...wow. First, your thesis partially relies on a "your mamma" jibe being a racial slur, when I think most people think of it as an across the board jerk move. Square peg, round hole. Unless you're saying that the mere expression of Blackness (even of the stereotypical type) is somehow racist. Because in that case, I'll point you instead to Stephen Colbert: <a href="http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/238783/july-16-2009/the-word---neutral-man-s-burden" rel="nofollow">http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report...</a>.<br><br>Related: while I'm sure that Gates was an imperious jerk (he has a Ph.D. the odds are 60/40 in favor of jerkiness when you limit it to humanities Ph.D.s) but I don't think either of them were telling the absolute truth. If I had arrested someone without cause, I'd pad the story to make them look terrible too. Now, I think that because I'd think a Harvard professor and all-around respectable type like him would stick to variations of "do you know who I am." I'm very willing to acknowledge that I might be wrong (I wasn't there), but if you think police officers never lie in their reports, I'd encourage you to look up the name Agnes Lawless. Just…wow. First, your thesis partially relies on a “your mamma” jibe being a racial slur, when I think most people think of it as an across the board jerk move. Square peg, round hole. Unless you're saying that the mere expression of Blackness (even of the stereotypical type) is somehow racist. Because in that case, I'll point you instead to Stephen Colbert: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report….

Related: while I'm sure that Gates was an imperious jerk (he has a Ph.D. the odds are 60/40 in favor of jerkiness when you limit it to humanities Ph.D.s) but I don't think either of them were telling the absolute truth. If I had arrested someone without cause, I'd pad the story to make them look terrible too. Now, I think that because I'd think a Harvard professor and all-around respectable type like him would stick to variations of “do you know who I am.” I'm very willing to acknowledge that I might be wrong (I wasn't there), but if you think police officers never lie in their reports, I'd encourage you to look up the name Agnes Lawless.

]]> By: StockBoySF http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-197741 StockBoySF Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:05:45 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-197741 Maybe they are just amateur racists with training wheels who will be professional racists in a few years?<br><br>Actually I think it's an interesting premise in your post. And something to think about...<br><br>After all, the way the NE goes, so goes the rest of the country.... From the founding of our country centuries ago, to the more current gay marriage decisions.... :)<br><br>Thanks, Jazz! Maybe they are just amateur racists with training wheels who will be professional racists in a few years?

Actually I think it's an interesting premise in your post. And something to think about…

After all, the way the NE goes, so goes the rest of the country…. From the founding of our country centuries ago, to the more current gay marriage decisions…. :)

Thanks, Jazz!

]]> By: Jazz http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-197738 Jazz Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:58:06 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-197738 Speaking as a nearly 2/3 caucasian American, I insist you henceforth refer to me as "melanin challenged." Speaking as a nearly 2/3 caucasian American, I insist you henceforth refer to me as “melanin challenged.”

]]> By: skylights http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-197735 skylights Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:49:44 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-197735 This reminds me of "Skinheads from Maine":<br><br><a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xutqt_dana-carvey-show-skinheads-from-mai_people" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xutqt_dana-car...</a> This reminds me of “Skinheads from Maine”:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xutqt_dana-car…

]]> By: TheLid http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-197732 TheLid Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:37:18 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-197732 Come on Jazz, haven't you considered that this whole damned thing was all staged for a college professor to get a free beer? Come on Jazz, haven't you considered that this whole damned thing was all staged for a college professor to get a free beer?

]]> By: Father_Time http://themoderatevoice.com/41333/at-last-racism-is-dead-in-the-northeast/comment-page-1/#comment-197731 Father_Time Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:36:22 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=41333#comment-197731 Jungle boogie......eeeek...eeeek.....Jungle boogie.......yeah.....<br>Kool & the Gang<br>-<br>Can you play the dozens Jazz? Jungle boogie……eeeek…eeeek…..Jungle boogie…….yeah…..
Kool & the Gang
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Can you play the dozens Jazz?

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