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		<title>By: Darjeeling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darjeeling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A typical post from a typical American perspective and Indians are not at all pleased..... The alleged marriage between USA and Pakistan was more like a live in relationship with benefits for both the parties...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;America being the alleged husband agreed to take care of all the expenses and Pakistan like the submissive wife agreed to clean the house for America, be it bleeding the Russians out of Afghanistan in late 1980&#039;s or be it making India suffer for being close to Russia since independence (1947) [cold war and all that bullshit].&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;India never had any ill will towards Pakistan, all it wanted was to have peace in the region by declaring the existing &quot;line of control&quot; as the international boundary, but no... Pakistan would not agree to this and USA has always tactically supported Pakistan. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The current crop of terrorists [technical jargon being New-Terrorists] are the illegitimate children born out of the live in relationship between USA and Pakistan.... Osama Bin Laden is a US creation... as are the Taliban and other radical Jihadi forces.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since time immemorial USA has pretended to be blind when Pakistan sponsored terrorists attacked India killing hundreds of thousands  of people across India... Even when India approached USA to declare Pakistan a state sponsor of terror with all the necessary proof.... USA simply choose to ignore it... and has continued to ignore it even after 9/11.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even today when Pakistan backed by USA is fighting the so called &quot;war on terror&quot; in the North West Frontier Provinces.... Pakistani intelligence agency has refused to act against those terrorist organizations that act against India... Even as I write this, organizations like Lashkar-E-Tayiba, Jaish-E-Mohammad, Harkat-Ul-Jihad and numerous others terrorist organizations are based in Pakistan and are training more Jihadis against India and are continuing to wage a proxy war.... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As usual the USA being what it is... now wants India to support Pakistan in its fight against Taliban, but  USA doggedly refuses to pressurize Pakistan to stop supporting these terrorist groups and organizations from operating against India... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do you see the hypocrisy?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now you may take USA courting India as a sign of impeding marriage between the two countries... However, the fact remains that for USA.... India is just a pawn in its game and nothing more.... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But despite the fact that Pakistan refuses to act against these terrorist organizations... and USA trying to use India for its selfish self serving interest.... India being what it is, has agreed to support this war against terror in Pakistan. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Talk about magnanimity and benevolence... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I salute the land of Gandhi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A typical post from a typical American perspective and Indians are not at all pleased&#8230;.. The alleged marriage between USA and Pakistan was more like a live in relationship with benefits for both the parties&#8230;</p>
<p>America being the alleged husband agreed to take care of all the expenses and Pakistan like the submissive wife agreed to clean the house for America, be it bleeding the Russians out of Afghanistan in late 1980&#39;s or be it making India suffer for being close to Russia since independence (1947) [cold war and all that bullshit].</p>
<p>India never had any ill will towards Pakistan, all it wanted was to have peace in the region by declaring the existing &#8220;line of control&#8221; as the international boundary, but no&#8230; Pakistan would not agree to this and USA has always tactically supported Pakistan. </p>
<p>The current crop of terrorists [technical jargon being New-Terrorists] are the illegitimate children born out of the live in relationship between USA and Pakistan&#8230;. Osama Bin Laden is a US creation&#8230; as are the Taliban and other radical Jihadi forces.</p>
<p>Since time immemorial USA has pretended to be blind when Pakistan sponsored terrorists attacked India killing hundreds of thousands  of people across India&#8230; Even when India approached USA to declare Pakistan a state sponsor of terror with all the necessary proof&#8230;. USA simply choose to ignore it&#8230; and has continued to ignore it even after 9/11.</p>
<p>Even today when Pakistan backed by USA is fighting the so called &#8220;war on terror&#8221; in the North West Frontier Provinces&#8230;. Pakistani intelligence agency has refused to act against those terrorist organizations that act against India&#8230; Even as I write this, organizations like Lashkar-E-Tayiba, Jaish-E-Mohammad, Harkat-Ul-Jihad and numerous others terrorist organizations are based in Pakistan and are training more Jihadis against India and are continuing to wage a proxy war&#8230;. </p>
<p>As usual the USA being what it is&#8230; now wants India to support Pakistan in its fight against Taliban, but  USA doggedly refuses to pressurize Pakistan to stop supporting these terrorist groups and organizations from operating against India&#8230; </p>
<p>Do you see the hypocrisy?  </p>
<p>Now you may take USA courting India as a sign of impeding marriage between the two countries&#8230; However, the fact remains that for USA&#8230;. India is just a pawn in its game and nothing more&#8230;. </p>
<p>But despite the fact that Pakistan refuses to act against these terrorist organizations&#8230; and USA trying to use India for its selfish self serving interest&#8230;. India being what it is, has agreed to support this war against terror in Pakistan. </p>
<p>Talk about magnanimity and benevolence&#8230; </p>
<p>I salute the land of Gandhi</p>
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		<title>By: shannonlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>shannonlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swaraaj, the American people are tired of war, but we are not tired of the war in Afghanistan.  During Obama&#039;s campaign, he promised to concentrate on the Afghan war, and not many complained.  As promised, Obama sent more troops to Afghanistan, and only the far left complained.  Our European allies like Germany have taken a more offensive stance in Afghanistan, and not many complained.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The US was attacked by entities protected by the Taliban.  That means this war will not end until the Taliban is defeated in Afghanistan and the Afghan government is able to keep the Taliban from reasserting itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swaraaj, the American people are tired of war, but we are not tired of the war in Afghanistan.  During Obama&#39;s campaign, he promised to concentrate on the Afghan war, and not many complained.  As promised, Obama sent more troops to Afghanistan, and only the far left complained.  Our European allies like Germany have taken a more offensive stance in Afghanistan, and not many complained.</p>
<p>The US was attacked by entities protected by the Taliban.  That means this war will not end until the Taliban is defeated in Afghanistan and the Afghan government is able to keep the Taliban from reasserting itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Swaraaj Chauhan</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/41271/sigmund-freud-us-pakistan-afghanistan-india/comment-page-1/#comment-197659</link>
		<dc:creator>Swaraaj Chauhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When marriages end up on the rocks it is generally difficult to say who is to blame. But the aftermath can be messy. Was the husband a philanderer or the wife unfaithful...This goes on and on. But this situation also exhausts both parties. Although they may continue devastating one another.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The US defense secretary Robert M. Gates recently stated an obvious fact: The troops in Afghanistan “are tired…and the American people are pretty tired.” So, what next (or new)?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In an ominous use of the word “unwinnable”, once used by the legendary media person the late Walter Cronkite to turn public opinion against the Vietnam war, defense secretary Gates says that “after eight years, U.S.-led forces must show progress in Afghanistan by next summer to avoid the public perception that the conflict has become unwinnable.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lastly, what happened to a guy called Osama-bin Laden? Neither the learned writers or any commentator has made a single mention about this guy who was so pivotal in the &quot;war against terror&quot; when G.W. Bush first sent the troops to Afghanistan.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Public memory, it is generally believed, is remarkably short. And the public/political discourse about war meanders in totally chaotic manner, resulting in serious suffering to civilians and the poor troops caught up in a brutal endless war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When marriages end up on the rocks it is generally difficult to say who is to blame. But the aftermath can be messy. Was the husband a philanderer or the wife unfaithful&#8230;This goes on and on. But this situation also exhausts both parties. Although they may continue devastating one another.</p>
<p>The US defense secretary Robert M. Gates recently stated an obvious fact: The troops in Afghanistan “are tired…and the American people are pretty tired.” So, what next (or new)?</p>
<p>In an ominous use of the word “unwinnable”, once used by the legendary media person the late Walter Cronkite to turn public opinion against the Vietnam war, defense secretary Gates says that “after eight years, U.S.-led forces must show progress in Afghanistan by next summer to avoid the public perception that the conflict has become unwinnable.”</p>
<p>Lastly, what happened to a guy called Osama-bin Laden? Neither the learned writers or any commentator has made a single mention about this guy who was so pivotal in the &#8220;war against terror&#8221; when G.W. Bush first sent the troops to Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Public memory, it is generally believed, is remarkably short. And the public/political discourse about war meanders in totally chaotic manner, resulting in serious suffering to civilians and the poor troops caught up in a brutal endless war.</p>
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		<title>By: shannonlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>shannonlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pakistan IS the problem.  A nuclear power that can&#039;t even control its own countryside.  The terror attacks of the future are being planned in Pakistan.  Terrorists are being trained in Pakistan.  Bin Laden walks free in Pakistan.  There are very few political entities in Pakistan that can be trusted.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pakistan is like a wife that has been slipping arsenic into your coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pakistan IS the problem.  A nuclear power that can&#39;t even control its own countryside.  The terror attacks of the future are being planned in Pakistan.  Terrorists are being trained in Pakistan.  Bin Laden walks free in Pakistan.  There are very few political entities in Pakistan that can be trusted.  </p>
<p>Pakistan is like a wife that has been slipping arsenic into your coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: ppxpeggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ppxpeggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If &quot;but unfortunately, one day, like Vietnam, the Taliban will march back into Kabul victorious&quot;  is true, why do you advocate the slaughter millions of Afghans by bombing them back to the stone age first if the end result will be the same?  Actually, the Taliban will have a big fight on their hands to regain control of the country as mean and nasty warlords like Dostum and Hekmatyar and others (some of whom comprise the current government) will create another civil war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If &#8220;but unfortunately, one day, like Vietnam, the Taliban will march back into Kabul victorious&#8221;  is true, why do you advocate the slaughter millions of Afghans by bombing them back to the stone age first if the end result will be the same?  Actually, the Taliban will have a big fight on their hands to regain control of the country as mean and nasty warlords like Dostum and Hekmatyar and others (some of whom comprise the current government) will create another civil war.</p>
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		<title>By: ppxpeggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ppxpeggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If &quot;but unfortunately, one day, like Vietnam, the Taliban will march back into Kabul victorious&quot;  is true, why do you advocate the slaughter millions of Afghans by bombing them back to the stone age first if the end result will be the same?  Actually, the Taliban will have a big fight on their hands to regain control of the country as mean and nasty warlords like Dostum and Hekmatyar and others (some of whom comprise the current government) will create another civil war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If &#8220;but unfortunately, one day, like Vietnam, the Taliban will march back into Kabul victorious&#8221;  is true, why do you advocate the slaughter millions of Afghans by bombing them back to the stone age first if the end result will be the same?  Actually, the Taliban will have a big fight on their hands to regain control of the country as mean and nasty warlords like Dostum and Hekmatyar and others (some of whom comprise the current government) will create another civil war.</p>
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		<title>By: tomb23</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomb23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find that you have here a very well written article. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This &#039;divorce&#039; of sorts anyway is not going to be or end pretty. Eventually it seems that the USA will remarry India, angering its former spouse to no end. Should Kazai fall to the Taliban then no doubt Pakistan will fall in with its step sister with her religious friends thus causing alot of concern for the US and India. Eventually, the US will probably step in to take away Pakistan&#039;s diamond rings that the US gave her (Nuclear Weapons) and thus a whole new can of troubles will be opened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that you have here a very well written article. </p>
<p>This &#39;divorce&#39; of sorts anyway is not going to be or end pretty. Eventually it seems that the USA will remarry India, angering its former spouse to no end. Should Kazai fall to the Taliban then no doubt Pakistan will fall in with its step sister with her religious friends thus causing alot of concern for the US and India. Eventually, the US will probably step in to take away Pakistan&#39;s diamond rings that the US gave her (Nuclear Weapons) and thus a whole new can of troubles will be opened.</p>
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		<title>By: Swaraaj Chauhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swaraaj Chauhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Father_Time...Sorry, Sir. My main point in the rambling piece above got buried. Yes, yes, yes...we Indian people are &quot;more appreciative of the United States&quot;. And so we are worried about the safety and well-being of the American people, especially in view of the dangerous games that the US administration has played in the past decade.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Americans, who had been indoctrinated about the infallibility/superiority of the US arms might, are now discovering that primitive looking Afghans can go on killing US and NATO troops, and that the eight-year-old &quot;war&quot; is turning into a big disaster. This unending war may cripple US and other Western economies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You know when a person/nation becomes arrogant/conceited/myopic it gets on a suicidal path. The public/political discourse even with the change of administration in the USA , remains the same as it was during the Bush administration.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am am amazed that with the US economy now in doldrums, total confusion with regard to health care policies and other crisis raising their ugly heads that may cripple the country from within, the public discourse in the USA about its foreign misadventures continues to remain completely out of touch with the reality.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, the main point is that the marriage has gone sour between America and Pakistan and the fall-out from this estrangement will also be deadly for other countries. (Please read my post again.) The crime of passion, god forbid if it ever takes place, would mean that the nuclear armed &quot;spouses&quot; would not only hurt themselves but also those around.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One can only hope that the &quot;divorce&quot; is peaceful. But it seems unlikely. And that&#039;s what I meant. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Father_Time&#8230;Sorry, Sir. My main point in the rambling piece above got buried. Yes, yes, yes&#8230;we Indian people are &#8220;more appreciative of the United States&#8221;. And so we are worried about the safety and well-being of the American people, especially in view of the dangerous games that the US administration has played in the past decade.</p>
<p>Americans, who had been indoctrinated about the infallibility/superiority of the US arms might, are now discovering that primitive looking Afghans can go on killing US and NATO troops, and that the eight-year-old &#8220;war&#8221; is turning into a big disaster. This unending war may cripple US and other Western economies.</p>
<p>You know when a person/nation becomes arrogant/conceited/myopic it gets on a suicidal path. The public/political discourse even with the change of administration in the USA , remains the same as it was during the Bush administration.</p>
<p>I am am amazed that with the US economy now in doldrums, total confusion with regard to health care policies and other crisis raising their ugly heads that may cripple the country from within, the public discourse in the USA about its foreign misadventures continues to remain completely out of touch with the reality.</p>
<p>Yes, the main point is that the marriage has gone sour between America and Pakistan and the fall-out from this estrangement will also be deadly for other countries. (Please read my post again.) The crime of passion, god forbid if it ever takes place, would mean that the nuclear armed &#8220;spouses&#8221; would not only hurt themselves but also those around.</p>
<p>One can only hope that the &#8220;divorce&#8221; is peaceful. But it seems unlikely. And that&#39;s what I meant. </p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is your point?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe India would like to contribute something besides complaint and critique. . Especially since our markets are more open to India now and we have lost significant jobs to India. One would think the Indian people would be more appreciative of the United States.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We are not the Russians. Leave, lose or whatever in Afghanistan, we will defend our people and our interests by whatever means required, as many times as we wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is your point?</p>
<p>Maybe India would like to contribute something besides complaint and critique. . Especially since our markets are more open to India now and we have lost significant jobs to India. One would think the Indian people would be more appreciative of the United States.</p>
<p>We are not the Russians. Leave, lose or whatever in Afghanistan, we will defend our people and our interests by whatever means required, as many times as we wish.</p>
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