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	<title>Comments on: 911 Caller in Gates Arrest Never Said &#8216;Black Suspects&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/40938/911-caller-in-gates-arrest-never-said-black-suspects/comment-page-1/#comment-197438</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What shoots the entire liberal viewpoint out of the water&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;... even without the facts that you list, C.O., is Gates&#039;s _age_.  Profiling (a real issue) is favoring those prone to crime, namely the young.  (_One_ constructive fact related to the &quot;racism&quot; hype by the media and activist dreck once this event wrongly made major news nation-wide is that in the past and now, any tension toward some blacks or other minorities and _whites_ out of concern for safety is directed, again, at _youth_.  Does anyone find an older person of any race or ethnicity _frightening_?)  [rolling eyes]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Gates&#039;s _age_ immediately ruled out &quot;racial profiling,&quot; at least among those not &quot;challenged&quot; someway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What shoots the entire liberal viewpoint out of the water&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; even without the facts that you list, C.O., is Gates&#39;s _age_.  Profiling (a real issue) is favoring those prone to crime, namely the young.  (_One_ constructive fact related to the &#8220;racism&#8221; hype by the media and activist dreck once this event wrongly made major news nation-wide is that in the past and now, any tension toward some blacks or other minorities and _whites_ out of concern for safety is directed, again, at _youth_.  Does anyone find an older person of any race or ethnicity _frightening_?)  [rolling eyes]</p>
<p>Gates&#39;s _age_ immediately ruled out &#8220;racial profiling,&#8221; at least among those not &#8220;challenged&#8221; someway.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/40938/911-caller-in-gates-arrest-never-said-black-suspects/comment-page-1/#comment-197436</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This non-issue has outlived its 15 minutes.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m afraid not, in the case of the media (which, after Obama&#039;s idiotic remark and behavior, responded with hype rivaling its behavior after Michael Jackson&#039;s death), and the others who came out of the shadows with their predictable and lowly Sixties-radical-baggage-attached nonsense about the pervasive profiling and &quot;white dominated, privileged&quot; society and all the rest of the idiocy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It was a non-event to normal people, but not to Obama who wrongly exploited it (in a blatantly political manner, and who later expressed &quot;surprise&quot; at the widespread public opposition to this and related behavior) and all the others who wanted to _exploit_ it, which because the _real_ _true_ event.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;grrr&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the bright side, it has further deflated the hype over Obama, and constitutes a blunder by him at a time of public concern about the Dems&#039; rushing in Washington to pass all kinds of bad legislation and with failures Obama is experiencing in particular along with other Dems with the health care initiative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This non-issue has outlived its 15 minutes.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#39;m afraid not, in the case of the media (which, after Obama&#39;s idiotic remark and behavior, responded with hype rivaling its behavior after Michael Jackson&#39;s death), and the others who came out of the shadows with their predictable and lowly Sixties-radical-baggage-attached nonsense about the pervasive profiling and &#8220;white dominated, privileged&#8221; society and all the rest of the idiocy.</p>
<p>It was a non-event to normal people, but not to Obama who wrongly exploited it (in a blatantly political manner, and who later expressed &#8220;surprise&#8221; at the widespread public opposition to this and related behavior) and all the others who wanted to _exploit_ it, which because the _real_ _true_ event.</p>
<p>grrr</p>
<p>On the bright side, it has further deflated the hype over Obama, and constitutes a blunder by him at a time of public concern about the Dems&#39; rushing in Washington to pass all kinds of bad legislation and with failures Obama is experiencing in particular along with other Dems with the health care initiative.</p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/40938/911-caller-in-gates-arrest-never-said-black-suspects/comment-page-1/#comment-197039</link>
		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What shoots the entire liberal viewpoint out of the water is that if the officer acted with/out of racial profiling, harassment, brutality, improper procedure or falsely arresting, where is their filing of charges?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The same with Palin, Cheney, George Bush and all other doers of evil on society........the left just knows how to flap jaws, not actually get anything done.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, either listen to Barry, pony up the beers and move on.........or file the complaint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What shoots the entire liberal viewpoint out of the water is that if the officer acted with/out of racial profiling, harassment, brutality, improper procedure or falsely arresting, where is their filing of charges?</p>
<p>The same with Palin, Cheney, George Bush and all other doers of evil on society&#8230;&#8230;..the left just knows how to flap jaws, not actually get anything done.</p>
<p>So, either listen to Barry, pony up the beers and move on&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;or file the complaint.</p>
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		<title>By: Terra Saylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terra Saylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole thing is basically because the report described them as two black males, which was not a false statement. Had they been white, they would have been described in the report as two white males. Had they been Hispanic, they would have been described as two Hispanic males. This is a clear case of somebody being insulted that they were not afforded special treatment due to their station in life, and he is pulling the race card as a retaliation. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pitiful that people are even defending the version of events that the police acted improperly. We can hear the police officer talking on the radio while Gates is screaming at him in the background. The man clearly is so wrapped up in his own race issues that he is projecting them on everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole thing is basically because the report described them as two black males, which was not a false statement. Had they been white, they would have been described in the report as two white males. Had they been Hispanic, they would have been described as two Hispanic males. This is a clear case of somebody being insulted that they were not afforded special treatment due to their station in life, and he is pulling the race card as a retaliation. </p>
<p>Pitiful that people are even defending the version of events that the police acted improperly. We can hear the police officer talking on the radio while Gates is screaming at him in the background. The man clearly is so wrapped up in his own race issues that he is projecting them on everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gates was NOT arrested improperly. Gates was arrested for civil disruption and should have been prosecuted, but the good and kind police let big mouth off. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe we should revisit the charges. Should be a caning offence IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gates was NOT arrested improperly. Gates was arrested for civil disruption and should have been prosecuted, but the good and kind police let big mouth off. </p>
<p>Maybe we should revisit the charges. Should be a caning offence IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>roro80 i think it is a reasonable concern that Gates was arrested improperly and there is a good chance Crowley went overboard.  I think either man could have prevented the escalation of the situation but neither did.  So if you want to argue Crowley abused his power and Gates was just a dumb ass that&#039;s certainly a reasonable argument.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not sure</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>roro80 i think it is a reasonable concern that Gates was arrested improperly and there is a good chance Crowley went overboard.  I think either man could have prevented the escalation of the situation but neither did.  So if you want to argue Crowley abused his power and Gates was just a dumb ass that&#39;s certainly a reasonable argument.</p>
<p>I&#39;m not sure</p>
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		<title>By: Volusia65</title>
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		<dc:creator>Volusia65</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans should be ashamed (Black, White, Asian, Hispanic, WHATEVER!) of how far this issue has been completely blown out of proportion, the MEDIA is absolutely absurd when then they give a report on something so foolish and not news worthy, its evident that the entire situation could have been avoided if someone didn&#039;t try and use they personal position to justify something when they are REQUIRED to show proof that it is their residence! The officer did what is protocol and I commend him for that, for Gates to act like a spoiled child and cry foul because he didn&#039;t get his way speaks volumes about his character and President Obama...Shame on you! Where is your professionalism? And to depict this as racism because 2 &quot;BLACK&quot; males were described in the report......DUH! thats what are they! So lets everyone jump on the MEDIA band wagon and go along to see where this ride is headed......ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CNN, ETC. you are not reporting with crap like this, you are instigating.... wake up people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans should be ashamed (Black, White, Asian, Hispanic, WHATEVER!) of how far this issue has been completely blown out of proportion, the MEDIA is absolutely absurd when then they give a report on something so foolish and not news worthy, its evident that the entire situation could have been avoided if someone didn&#39;t try and use they personal position to justify something when they are REQUIRED to show proof that it is their residence! The officer did what is protocol and I commend him for that, for Gates to act like a spoiled child and cry foul because he didn&#39;t get his way speaks volumes about his character and President Obama&#8230;Shame on you! Where is your professionalism? And to depict this as racism because 2 &#8220;BLACK&#8221; males were described in the report&#8230;&#8230;DUH! thats what are they! So lets everyone jump on the MEDIA band wagon and go along to see where this ride is headed&#8230;&#8230;ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CNN, ETC. you are not reporting with crap like this, you are instigating&#8230;. wake up people!</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/40938/911-caller-in-gates-arrest-never-said-black-suspects/comment-page-1/#comment-196922</link>
		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaGoat -- Maybe you&#039;d be &quot;better off&quot;, but that still doesn&#039;t make it illegal to be rude to the police.  It&#039;s a pretty blatant abuse of power to arrest someone because he is rude to you.  I can&#039;t remember where I read it, but I read something earlier this week about how yes, it&#039;s come to the place where it&#039;s a calculated risk to challenge a police officer&#039;s authority, in the same way that it&#039;s not illegal but very stupid to yell at a bunch of thugs in the street. The point: should we have to make the same risk calculations when dealing with police as we do with street thugs?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And kritt -- while I don&#039;t necessarily disagree, this story brought together a lot of under-the-radar topics that I think people need to hash out: race, class, elitism, police/government abuse of power, etc. It&#039;s more of a tool to figure out where we as a nation stand on these issues than just its own story, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaGoat &#8212; Maybe you&#39;d be &#8220;better off&#8221;, but that still doesn&#39;t make it illegal to be rude to the police.  It&#39;s a pretty blatant abuse of power to arrest someone because he is rude to you.  I can&#39;t remember where I read it, but I read something earlier this week about how yes, it&#39;s come to the place where it&#39;s a calculated risk to challenge a police officer&#39;s authority, in the same way that it&#39;s not illegal but very stupid to yell at a bunch of thugs in the street. The point: should we have to make the same risk calculations when dealing with police as we do with street thugs?  </p>
<p>And kritt &#8212; while I don&#39;t necessarily disagree, this story brought together a lot of under-the-radar topics that I think people need to hash out: race, class, elitism, police/government abuse of power, etc. It&#39;s more of a tool to figure out where we as a nation stand on these issues than just its own story, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This non-issue has outlived its 15 minutes.</description>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think both libertarians and non-libertarians would agree you&#039;re better off being polite to the police.</description>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
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		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don&#039;t understand why conservatives are on the wrong side of this issue!&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, where ARE the libertarians here?  Saying that somehow in order not to get arrested in one&#039;s own home, one must be deferrential and look at one&#039;s shoes when an officer is in the vacinity?  That&#039;s pretty much the opposite of what makes sense.  Or is it only white men who get to challenge the power of the government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don&#39;t understand why conservatives are on the wrong side of this issue!&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, where ARE the libertarians here?  Saying that somehow in order not to get arrested in one&#39;s own home, one must be deferrential and look at one&#39;s shoes when an officer is in the vacinity?  That&#39;s pretty much the opposite of what makes sense.  Or is it only white men who get to challenge the power of the government?</p>
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		<title>By: Zzzzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zzzzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree with your assertion that &#039;almost everyone&#039; thinks Crowley acted properly.  Plenty of people, like me, think that Crowley acted improperly and Gates should not have been arrested.  I have no idea if race played a role in this.  However, that isn&#039;t the main issue to me.  The main issue is abuse of police power.  It isn&#039;t illegal to act like a jerk.  Hauling him in for that under a bogus &#039;disorderly conduct&#039; charge, which he obviously didn&#039;t meet the legal criteria for (or else they wouldn&#039;t have dropped the charges) isn&#039;t proper police behavior.  Isn&#039;t the whole point of the 2nd amendment that we have the right to protect ourselves from the government when it acts against our legal rights?  I don&#039;t understand why conservatives are on the wrong side of this issue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t agree with your assertion that &#39;almost everyone&#39; thinks Crowley acted properly.  Plenty of people, like me, think that Crowley acted improperly and Gates should not have been arrested.  I have no idea if race played a role in this.  However, that isn&#39;t the main issue to me.  The main issue is abuse of police power.  It isn&#39;t illegal to act like a jerk.  Hauling him in for that under a bogus &#39;disorderly conduct&#39; charge, which he obviously didn&#39;t meet the legal criteria for (or else they wouldn&#39;t have dropped the charges) isn&#39;t proper police behavior.  Isn&#39;t the whole point of the 2nd amendment that we have the right to protect ourselves from the government when it acts against our legal rights?  I don&#39;t understand why conservatives are on the wrong side of this issue!</p>
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		<title>By: JWindish</title>
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		<dc:creator>JWindish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Qwert, I must say I am disappointed by your comment. It doesn&#039;t substantively address anything in my post. What it does is state your opinion. And your opinion is called into question by the evidence cited in my post: that Crowley&#039;s police report is at odds with what&#039;s on the tape of the 911 call. And that &lt;em&gt;he used race&lt;/em&gt; in his police report at odds with the facts. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now I only based my opinion on what was said in the CNN report. I haven&#039;t heard the tape. I haven&#039;t read more. I&#039;m open to hearing more. I could be wrong in my conclusion. But WHETHER OR NOT the report of the tape turns out to be accurate, what you so accurately quoted is that my solution to the box that ALL OF THEM are in, is for the 3 of them to model civility, to bring us all down a peg, and teach us all a thing or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qwert, I must say I am disappointed by your comment. It doesn&#39;t substantively address anything in my post. What it does is state your opinion. And your opinion is called into question by the evidence cited in my post: that Crowley&#39;s police report is at odds with what&#39;s on the tape of the 911 call. And that <em>he used race</em> in his police report at odds with the facts. </p>
<p>Now I only based my opinion on what was said in the CNN report. I haven&#39;t heard the tape. I haven&#39;t read more. I&#39;m open to hearing more. I could be wrong in my conclusion. But WHETHER OR NOT the report of the tape turns out to be accurate, what you so accurately quoted is that my solution to the box that ALL OF THEM are in, is for the 3 of them to model civility, to bring us all down a peg, and teach us all a thing or two.</p>
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		<title>By: qwert321</title>
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		<dc:creator>qwert321</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;I’m counting on Obama, Gates &amp; Crowley to have that beer. Then come out reconciled and teach all of us a thing or two.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama and Gates thinks the arrest was completely improper and indicative of this country&#039;s racial past.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Almost everyone else thinks Crowley acted professionally and correctly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What sort of reconciliation can really come of this photo op?    Both parties have strongly held beliefs that will not change over a glass of beer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;I’m counting on Obama, Gates &#038; Crowley to have that beer. Then come out reconciled and teach all of us a thing or two.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Obama and Gates thinks the arrest was completely improper and indicative of this country&#39;s racial past.</p>
<p>Almost everyone else thinks Crowley acted professionally and correctly.</p>
<p>What sort of reconciliation can really come of this photo op?    Both parties have strongly held beliefs that will not change over a glass of beer.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was very interesting that she mentioned two suitcases, and that the 911 operator then seemed to lead her on towards a concern about a break-in.</description>
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