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	<title>Comments on: Multiple Cheers For Polygamy!</title>
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		<title>By: everynowandthen</title>
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		<dc:creator>everynowandthen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to be closing in on the problem as I see it.  Demonizing polygamy requires no particular genius, but neither does demonizing monogamy, using plenty of readily available real-world examples.  Many of the issues are identical (i.e. gender politics) but where the issues are exclusive there are of course benefits and dangers under both models.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The book &quot;The Importance of Being Monogamous - Marriage and Nation Building in Western Canada to 1915&quot; By Sarah Carter looks closely at the structural use of monogamy as a cornerstone of cultural domination by whites and looks comparatively at the position of women in polygamy v. in monogamy:&lt;br&gt;&quot;There were no single mothers, and concepts such as ‘illegitimate’ children were unknown.&quot;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This idea has so much resonance with me.  What I&#039;m saying is I don&#039;t think &quot;we&quot; have it right either, and that there is a definite cost to those who find themselves on the rubbish heap produced under the current legalistic monogamy structure.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In my view, monogamy enforcement is about property, control and ownership, while polygamy could be about recognizing those non-nuclear family impulses and thinking bigger, for humanity&#039;s sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to be closing in on the problem as I see it.  Demonizing polygamy requires no particular genius, but neither does demonizing monogamy, using plenty of readily available real-world examples.  Many of the issues are identical (i.e. gender politics) but where the issues are exclusive there are of course benefits and dangers under both models.</p>
<p>The book &#8220;The Importance of Being Monogamous &#8211; Marriage and Nation Building in Western Canada to 1915&#8243; By Sarah Carter looks closely at the structural use of monogamy as a cornerstone of cultural domination by whites and looks comparatively at the position of women in polygamy v. in monogamy:<br />&#8220;There were no single mothers, and concepts such as ‘illegitimate’ children were unknown.&#8221;  </p>
<p>This idea has so much resonance with me.  What I&#39;m saying is I don&#39;t think &#8220;we&#8221; have it right either, and that there is a definite cost to those who find themselves on the rubbish heap produced under the current legalistic monogamy structure.</p>
<p>In my view, monogamy enforcement is about property, control and ownership, while polygamy could be about recognizing those non-nuclear family impulses and thinking bigger, for humanity&#39;s sake.</p>
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		<title>By: KNicoll</title>
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		<dc:creator>KNicoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While there&#039;s a certain small amount of activism (typically US-centred, from what I&#039;ve seen) from the segment of the polyamorous community that&#039;s interested in multiple marriage, I have come to the opinion that it&#039;s probably an exercise in futility right now.  When simply suggesting that polygamy might be nice as an option is a felony in Michigan, navigating the complexities of marriage law to make them even more complicated is an implausibility.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The studies that have been made on the subject are extremely limited at best; a little psychology here, a little demographics there.  (The demographic study I know of is hopelessly biased by being based on the demographics of the readership of one particularly crystal-waving free-love open relationships magazine.)  On top of that, news coverage tends to be spun for titillation rather than information, and popular awareness is settled on exploitative polygynous religious models; those modern self-aware adults (to the extent that anyone is, and I&#039;m having a cynical day) are dismissed as either fictional or too uncommon to be relevant.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But really, as to &#039;in the profoundly sexist regions of the world where it is currently practiced&#039;, I would amend that to &#039;commonly and publically practiced&#039;, as there are people living in multiple-spouse situations all over the world, though not, typically, with the benefits of legal marriage - which makes us hard to find and officially catalogue unless we post comments like this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there&#39;s a certain small amount of activism (typically US-centred, from what I&#39;ve seen) from the segment of the polyamorous community that&#39;s interested in multiple marriage, I have come to the opinion that it&#39;s probably an exercise in futility right now.  When simply suggesting that polygamy might be nice as an option is a felony in Michigan, navigating the complexities of marriage law to make them even more complicated is an implausibility.</p>
<p>The studies that have been made on the subject are extremely limited at best; a little psychology here, a little demographics there.  (The demographic study I know of is hopelessly biased by being based on the demographics of the readership of one particularly crystal-waving free-love open relationships magazine.)  On top of that, news coverage tends to be spun for titillation rather than information, and popular awareness is settled on exploitative polygynous religious models; those modern self-aware adults (to the extent that anyone is, and I&#39;m having a cynical day) are dismissed as either fictional or too uncommon to be relevant.</p>
<p>But really, as to &#39;in the profoundly sexist regions of the world where it is currently practiced&#39;, I would amend that to &#39;commonly and publically practiced&#39;, as there are people living in multiple-spouse situations all over the world, though not, typically, with the benefits of legal marriage &#8211; which makes us hard to find and officially catalogue unless we post comments like this one.</p>
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		<title>By: THJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>THJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just finished S02 of Big Love as well (like 30 minutes ago), I think you are on to something. The part I remember most about 1k Splendid Suns was the scene where one of the two (or maybe both, I don&#039;t recall) had just gotten a beating from the husband, and he told her &#039;there are thousands of women out there who would take your place in a heartbeat.&#039; Kinda shows how brutal things really were over there under the Taliban (not that the Muj before them were much better).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Part of me sees Polygamy as a pragmatic/honorable practice - there are vast portions of the population of the world where the husband/wife is intimate with a third party (or fourth or fifth in some cases), but that&#039;s just an &#039;affair.&#039; Polygamists actually have the cojones to carry through with it and make it legit, binding, and long lasting. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the flip side though, there is so much potential for abuse (pimp marrying his &#039;hos&#039; so that they can&#039;t be compelled to testify against him; Juniper Creek type cults, etc) that would turn a lot of voters off at the polls if even mentioned by a politician.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just finished S02 of Big Love as well (like 30 minutes ago), I think you are on to something. The part I remember most about 1k Splendid Suns was the scene where one of the two (or maybe both, I don&#39;t recall) had just gotten a beating from the husband, and he told her &#39;there are thousands of women out there who would take your place in a heartbeat.&#39; Kinda shows how brutal things really were over there under the Taliban (not that the Muj before them were much better).</p>
<p>Part of me sees Polygamy as a pragmatic/honorable practice &#8211; there are vast portions of the population of the world where the husband/wife is intimate with a third party (or fourth or fifth in some cases), but that&#39;s just an &#39;affair.&#39; Polygamists actually have the cojones to carry through with it and make it legit, binding, and long lasting. </p>
<p>On the flip side though, there is so much potential for abuse (pimp marrying his &#39;hos&#39; so that they can&#39;t be compelled to testify against him; Juniper Creek type cults, etc) that would turn a lot of voters off at the polls if even mentioned by a politician.</p>
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