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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/39476/the-curious-case-of-monica-conyers/comment-page-1/#comment-194796</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 04:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;AS the U.S. becomes a one party state due to changing demographics, isn&#039;t Detroit a vision of the future. Corrupt to avoid high taxes, poorly run due to the entitlement mentality&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;White flight due to the riots and racism caused Detroit&#039;s problems. STRESS, Gibbs and Cavanaugh (and SD types) lead to  the current situation...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>AS the U.S. becomes a one party state due to changing demographics, isn&#39;t Detroit a vision of the future. Corrupt to avoid high taxes, poorly run due to the entitlement mentality</i><br />White flight due to the riots and racism caused Detroit&#39;s problems. STRESS, Gibbs and Cavanaugh (and SD types) lead to  the current situation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jwest</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/39476/the-curious-case-of-monica-conyers/comment-page-1/#comment-194653</link>
		<dc:creator>jwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Father Time,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It takes a special kind of liberal to blame Detroit’s problems on Republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Father Time,</p>
<p>It takes a special kind of liberal to blame Detroit’s problems on Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: Father_Time</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/39476/the-curious-case-of-monica-conyers/comment-page-1/#comment-194636</link>
		<dc:creator>Father_Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is where a POWERFUL Federal government could step in and bang heads, but unfortunately republicans like weak governments, so this crap just continues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is where a POWERFUL Federal government could step in and bang heads, but unfortunately republicans like weak governments, so this crap just continues.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/39476/the-curious-case-of-monica-conyers/comment-page-1/#comment-194630</link>
		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AS the U.S. becomes a one party state due to changing demographics, isn&#039;t Detroit a vision of the future.  Corrupt to avoid high taxes, poorly run due to the entitlement mentality, and a place that automatically votes for Democrats because they promise to tax others and give money to the voters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AS the U.S. becomes a one party state due to changing demographics, isn&#39;t Detroit a vision of the future.  Corrupt to avoid high taxes, poorly run due to the entitlement mentality, and a place that automatically votes for Democrats because they promise to tax others and give money to the voters?</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/39476/the-curious-case-of-monica-conyers/comment-page-1/#comment-194622</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLS - Detroit isn&#039;t the only dysfunctional city in the area. Lily white Warren and Dearborn have their history of corruption and cronyism. What so bad about 1960&#039;s radicals, their almost all dead or no longer any part of the power structure. The Fifth Estate is now published outside of Detroit. Ken Cockrel is dead. And most of the MC5 are gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLS &#8211; Detroit isn&#39;t the only dysfunctional city in the area. Lily white Warren and Dearborn have their history of corruption and cronyism. What so bad about 1960&#39;s radicals, their almost all dead or no longer any part of the power structure. The Fifth Estate is now published outside of Detroit. Ken Cockrel is dead. And most of the MC5 are gone.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laying aside constitutional issues (which are Quaint and Passe&#039; and don&#039;t matter, anyway), Detroit is Exhibit A as a candidate for federal receivership.  (I doubt Michigan either wants to or can afford to take over the city.  It has enough problems trying to remediate the city&#039;s school system.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;More to the here and now and practical, why isn&#039;t some of the federal stimulus money spent on more demolitions of fallen-apart or burned (by arson) properties that are old and substandard and don&#039;t merit rebuilding, and only now are a threat to house criminals?  Demolition and removal could be followed by more urban gardens, or even construction of new public or low-income housing.  (Or neighborhood health clinics as an early experiment, if this is sought later by the Feds nation-wide.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not only Detroit but much of the Rust Belt (Cleveland, etc) probably needs this as well as forethought as to what its future role will be -- a site for the dirty and unpleasant things of the Sun Belt like prisoners, garbage, and future long-term care facilities is reasonable but probably is undesireable, so what else?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Back to the here and now and Monica and Detroit.  We haven&#039;t heard the last of Riddle.  He has said already he&#039;s waiting for the right time (in court?  with immunity and protection?) to reveal the good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laying aside constitutional issues (which are Quaint and Passe&#39; and don&#39;t matter, anyway), Detroit is Exhibit A as a candidate for federal receivership.  (I doubt Michigan either wants to or can afford to take over the city.  It has enough problems trying to remediate the city&#39;s school system.)</p>
<p>More to the here and now and practical, why isn&#39;t some of the federal stimulus money spent on more demolitions of fallen-apart or burned (by arson) properties that are old and substandard and don&#39;t merit rebuilding, and only now are a threat to house criminals?  Demolition and removal could be followed by more urban gardens, or even construction of new public or low-income housing.  (Or neighborhood health clinics as an early experiment, if this is sought later by the Feds nation-wide.)</p>
<p>Not only Detroit but much of the Rust Belt (Cleveland, etc) probably needs this as well as forethought as to what its future role will be &#8212; a site for the dirty and unpleasant things of the Sun Belt like prisoners, garbage, and future long-term care facilities is reasonable but probably is undesireable, so what else?</p>
<p>Back to the here and now and Monica and Detroit.  We haven&#39;t heard the last of Riddle.  He has said already he&#39;s waiting for the right time (in court?  with immunity and protection?) to reveal the good stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Jazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies, DLS. I obviously missed it the first time round. And I don&#039;t think I was tarring all of the city. I was just talking about the principals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies, DLS. I obviously missed it the first time round. And I don&#39;t think I was tarring all of the city. I was just talking about the principals.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jazz -- both T-Steel (who hails from Detroit), who has made a thread on ol&#039; Monica, and I, who have followed her story in the Free Press (and in the Detroit News), are well aware of this non-mythical example of Detroit government in action (aging Sixties-radical stuff and outright corrupt city officials whom I generously refuse to pin on the *** DEMOCRATS ***).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Monica, Monica, Monica -- payoffs for decisions, $40K in jewelry in addition to bribes...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is the place where the union is fighting school reform and closing (where schools are looted once they are closed, if they are not secured beforehand), where a reformer is attacked for demanding show-up-for-pay days in order to remove ghosts (ahem) from the payroll, and so on.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another council member had her property classified as distressed, and paid $68 one recent year in taxes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another council member neglects her council job, which she treats openly as less important than the retro music group with which she tours and performs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The former mayor was jailed for misconduct in office, and has since moved into a mansion in Texas, while using his old campaign money to pay his lawyers, and no doubt part sometime of his delinquent restitution payments.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is _Detroit_ we&#039;re talking about, with a reputation Dems and other old-city governments shouldn&#039;t be unfairly tainted by association.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Too bad, as it&#039;s a nice city (parts of downtown are great) in a great location in this part of the continent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jazz &#8212; both T-Steel (who hails from Detroit), who has made a thread on ol&#39; Monica, and I, who have followed her story in the Free Press (and in the Detroit News), are well aware of this non-mythical example of Detroit government in action (aging Sixties-radical stuff and outright corrupt city officials whom I generously refuse to pin on the *** DEMOCRATS ***).</p>
<p>Monica, Monica, Monica &#8212; payoffs for decisions, $40K in jewelry in addition to bribes&#8230;</p>
<p>This is the place where the union is fighting school reform and closing (where schools are looted once they are closed, if they are not secured beforehand), where a reformer is attacked for demanding show-up-for-pay days in order to remove ghosts (ahem) from the payroll, and so on.</p>
<p>Another council member had her property classified as distressed, and paid $68 one recent year in taxes.</p>
<p>Another council member neglects her council job, which she treats openly as less important than the retro music group with which she tours and performs.</p>
<p>The former mayor was jailed for misconduct in office, and has since moved into a mansion in Texas, while using his old campaign money to pay his lawyers, and no doubt part sometime of his delinquent restitution payments.</p>
<p>This is _Detroit_ we&#39;re talking about, with a reputation Dems and other old-city governments shouldn&#39;t be unfairly tainted by association.</p>
<p>Too bad, as it&#39;s a nice city (parts of downtown are great) in a great location in this part of the continent.</p>
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