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	<title>Comments on: Secret CIA Program: Al Qaeda Hit Teams, or Death Squads?</title>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t find anything to argue with here.</description>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/39280/secret-cia-program-al-qaeda-hit-teams-or-death-squads/comment-page-1/#comment-194358</link>
		<dc:creator>jchem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That&#039;s what we know. Do you think we should know more? Do you think the press should be writing about this, and trying to find out whatever they can about what this program was?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Kathy, these are the ultimate questions concerning the matter. I do believe that there are some things worthy of secrecy, but it seems to me that the lid is already partly off the jar here. And the Al Qaeda leaders have long known we wanted to kill them--We&#039;re at War with them. I would like to see the press dig a bit more into this in the hopes that we can finally release all of the documents involved and have some sort of fair hearing. Otherwise, we&#039;re stuck right where we always have been--partisan debating about whether or not to proceed. A number of commenters here and elsewhere have called for releasing all relevant information, but still we&#039;re at a standstill. If Congress really wants to pursue this, then they are going to have to put some pressure on Obama and his DOJ, because he seems rather unwilling to &quot;look to the past&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That&#39;s what we know. Do you think we should know more? Do you think the press should be writing about this, and trying to find out whatever they can about what this program was?</i></p>
<p>Kathy, these are the ultimate questions concerning the matter. I do believe that there are some things worthy of secrecy, but it seems to me that the lid is already partly off the jar here. And the Al Qaeda leaders have long known we wanted to kill them&#8211;We&#39;re at War with them. I would like to see the press dig a bit more into this in the hopes that we can finally release all of the documents involved and have some sort of fair hearing. Otherwise, we&#39;re stuck right where we always have been&#8211;partisan debating about whether or not to proceed. A number of commenters here and elsewhere have called for releasing all relevant information, but still we&#39;re at a standstill. If Congress really wants to pursue this, then they are going to have to put some pressure on Obama and his DOJ, because he seems rather unwilling to &#8220;look to the past&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: EEllis</title>
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		<dc:creator>EEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well since by every report there where no &quot;hits&quot; or &quot;assassinations&quot; from this program I would think at the least using terms like &quot;hit teams&quot; and &quot;death squads&quot; to describe the never active program is gratuitous and pandering at best and an outright lie at worst. I realize that if you wrote a headline that was accurate &quot;congress never told about program that never happened&quot; no one would care. Then again so far it does seem like nothing to care about. Maybe you should wait for there to be some news involved in your stories?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well since by every report there where no &#8220;hits&#8221; or &#8220;assassinations&#8221; from this program I would think at the least using terms like &#8220;hit teams&#8221; and &#8220;death squads&#8221; to describe the never active program is gratuitous and pandering at best and an outright lie at worst. I realize that if you wrote a headline that was accurate &#8220;congress never told about program that never happened&#8221; no one would care. Then again so far it does seem like nothing to care about. Maybe you should wait for there to be some news involved in your stories?</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/39280/secret-cia-program-al-qaeda-hit-teams-or-death-squads/comment-page-1/#comment-194346</link>
		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the reporting has been less on the details of the program (because nobody knows) and more on the fact that Leon Panetta just found out about it, apparently by chance, in a staff meeting, and that he subsequently briefed Congress (intelligence committees) about the program in a 45-minute closed-door session. Panetta told them that (a)the program existed, but he had shut it down; and (b) Dick Cheney gave direct orders that the program not be revealed to Congress, and that he gave this order eight years ago. Now, what WE know, from the press coverage, is that the program had something to do with setting up an assassination team to capture or kill Al Qaeda leaders, but that is all we know, and apparently (per what Rush Holt and other members of Congress who were briefed have said) that is a very, very small part of the overall program. We know that whatever those other substantive details are, the members of Congress who were briefed by Panetta on this program that had been kept hidden from them for eight years, they are extremely serious. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s what we know. Do you think we should know more? Do you think the press should be writing about this, and trying to find out whatever they can about what this program was?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the reporting has been less on the details of the program (because nobody knows) and more on the fact that Leon Panetta just found out about it, apparently by chance, in a staff meeting, and that he subsequently briefed Congress (intelligence committees) about the program in a 45-minute closed-door session. Panetta told them that (a)the program existed, but he had shut it down; and (b) Dick Cheney gave direct orders that the program not be revealed to Congress, and that he gave this order eight years ago. Now, what WE know, from the press coverage, is that the program had something to do with setting up an assassination team to capture or kill Al Qaeda leaders, but that is all we know, and apparently (per what Rush Holt and other members of Congress who were briefed have said) that is a very, very small part of the overall program. We know that whatever those other substantive details are, the members of Congress who were briefed by Panetta on this program that had been kept hidden from them for eight years, they are extremely serious. </p>
<p>That&#39;s what we know. Do you think we should know more? Do you think the press should be writing about this, and trying to find out whatever they can about what this program was?</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the reporting has been less on the details of the program (because nobody knows) and more on the fact that Leon Panetta just found out about it, apparently by chance, in a staff meeting, and that he subsequently briefed Congress (intelligence committees) about the program in a 45-minute closed-door session. Panetta told them that (a)the program existed, but he had shut it down; and (b) Dick Cheney gave direct orders that the program not be revealed to Congress, and that he gave this order eight years ago. Now, what WE know, from the press coverage, is that the program had something to do with setting up an assassination team to capture or kill Al Qaeda leaders, but that is all we know, and apparently (per what Rush Holt and other members of Congress who were briefed have said) that is a very, very small part of the overall program. We know that whatever those other substantive details are, the members of Congress who were briefed by Panetta on this program that had been kept hidden from them for eight years, they are extremely serious. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s what we know. Do you think we should know more? Do you think the press should be writing about this, and trying to find out whatever they can about what this program was?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the reporting has been less on the details of the program (because nobody knows) and more on the fact that Leon Panetta just found out about it, apparently by chance, in a staff meeting, and that he subsequently briefed Congress (intelligence committees) about the program in a 45-minute closed-door session. Panetta told them that (a)the program existed, but he had shut it down; and (b) Dick Cheney gave direct orders that the program not be revealed to Congress, and that he gave this order eight years ago. Now, what WE know, from the press coverage, is that the program had something to do with setting up an assassination team to capture or kill Al Qaeda leaders, but that is all we know, and apparently (per what Rush Holt and other members of Congress who were briefed have said) that is a very, very small part of the overall program. We know that whatever those other substantive details are, the members of Congress who were briefed by Panetta on this program that had been kept hidden from them for eight years, they are extremely serious. </p>
<p>That&#39;s what we know. Do you think we should know more? Do you think the press should be writing about this, and trying to find out whatever they can about what this program was?</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
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		<dc:creator>jchem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And you and I do not know most of the details because they remain classified.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You&#039;re right, Kathy, and that seems to be most of the problem. You and I do not know most of the details, but by extension anyone reporting on it right now probably doesn&#039;t either. If they did, we would. But as I pointed out by citing that NYT article, nothing new has come out, has it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And you and I do not know most of the details because they remain classified.</i></p>
<p>You&#39;re right, Kathy, and that seems to be most of the problem. You and I do not know most of the details, but by extension anyone reporting on it right now probably doesn&#39;t either. If they did, we would. But as I pointed out by citing that NYT article, nothing new has come out, has it?</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jchem, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From what I&#039;ve understood reading all the coverage in the last few days, the program was a lot more involved than that. And you and I do not know most of the details because they remain classified. The members of Congress who were briefed by Panetta were told all those details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jchem, </p>
<p>From what I&#39;ve understood reading all the coverage in the last few days, the program was a lot more involved than that. And you and I do not know most of the details because they remain classified. The members of Congress who were briefed by Panetta were told all those details.</p>
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		<title>By: EEllis</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/39280/secret-cia-program-al-qaeda-hit-teams-or-death-squads/comment-page-1/#comment-194288</link>
		<dc:creator>EEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A slow news day?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A slow news day?</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/39280/secret-cia-program-al-qaeda-hit-teams-or-death-squads/comment-page-1/#comment-194283</link>
		<dc:creator>jchem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m a bit confused on how &quot;secret&quot; this program really was. Here&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/15/international/15INTE.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NYT article from 2002&lt;/a&gt; talking about the program. If this was in the news back then, what makes it so secret now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#39;m a bit confused on how &#8220;secret&#8221; this program really was. Here&#39;s a <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/15/international/15INTE.html" rel="nofollow">NYT article from 2002</a> talking about the program. If this was in the news back then, what makes it so secret now?</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BREAKING NEWS FLASH!!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We interrupt this scheduled thread to bring the following important update:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As early indications hinted at and were reported at 4:30 PM today in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://themoderatevoice.com/39230/questions-about-cheney-cia-story/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Questions About Cheney CIA Story&lt;/a&gt; thread, a monumental and historic milestone in the annals of blogging has indeed occurred on this very day.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For the first time in memory, The Moderate Voice has gone ONE ENTIRE DAY WITHOUT A SARAH PALIN POST!!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;TMV&#039;s Editor-in-Chief, Joe Gandelman, was unable to explain how such an obvious oversight occurred. &quot;It is like forgetting to put Ripken or Gehrig into the line-up when they are sitting in the dugout. I mean, she just put out an op-ed today in the Washington post criticizing Obama and cap-and-trade for f&amp;*%&#039;s sake! Inexcusable.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Speculation on the street is that in an effort to placate the base, TMV will immediately institute a mandatory minimum of three Sarah Palin posts per day per editor/columnist for the foreseeable future, with Joe setting an example for his troops by personally providing ten posts per day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BREAKING NEWS FLASH!!!!</p>
<p>We interrupt this scheduled thread to bring the following important update:</p>
<p>As early indications hinted at and were reported at 4:30 PM today in the <a href="http://themoderatevoice.com/39230/questions-about-cheney-cia-story/" rel="nofollow">Questions About Cheney CIA Story</a> thread, a monumental and historic milestone in the annals of blogging has indeed occurred on this very day.</p>
<p>For the first time in memory, The Moderate Voice has gone ONE ENTIRE DAY WITHOUT A SARAH PALIN POST!!!!</p>
<p>TMV&#39;s Editor-in-Chief, Joe Gandelman, was unable to explain how such an obvious oversight occurred. &#8220;It is like forgetting to put Ripken or Gehrig into the line-up when they are sitting in the dugout. I mean, she just put out an op-ed today in the Washington post criticizing Obama and cap-and-trade for f&#038;*%&#39;s sake! Inexcusable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Speculation on the street is that in an effort to placate the base, TMV will immediately institute a mandatory minimum of three Sarah Palin posts per day per editor/columnist for the foreseeable future, with Joe setting an example for his troops by personally providing ten posts per day.</p>
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		<title>By: EEllis</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/39280/secret-cia-program-al-qaeda-hit-teams-or-death-squads/comment-page-1/#comment-194263</link>
		<dc:creator>EEllis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do mean the proposed &quot;program&quot; right? This is just silly. If somebody didn&#039;t bring up the idea then they wouldn&#039;t of been doing their jobs. I&#039;m also not sure what they were supposed to tell congress. Do they seen someone up the hill every time they launch a predator? Unless there is much much more it seems like another NYT non-story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do mean the proposed &#8220;program&#8221; right? This is just silly. If somebody didn&#39;t bring up the idea then they wouldn&#39;t of been doing their jobs. I&#39;m also not sure what they were supposed to tell congress. Do they seen someone up the hill every time they launch a predator? Unless there is much much more it seems like another NYT non-story.</p>
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