Comments on: No Medals for Robert ‘Strange’ McNamara, Engineer of Charlie Company’s 93% Casualties: Half Dead, Half Maimed for Life http://themoderatevoice.com/39102/no-medals-for-robert-strange-mcnamara-engineer-of-charlie-company-93-casualties-one-half-dead-one-half-maimed-for-life/ An Internet hub for moderates, centrists, and independents, with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, and right Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:24:33 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Divided We Stand United We Fall http://themoderatevoice.com/39102/no-medals-for-robert-strange-mcnamara-engineer-of-charlie-company-93-casualties-one-half-dead-one-half-maimed-for-life/comment-page-1/#comment-194267 Divided We Stand United We Fall Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:25:58 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=39102#comment-194267 <strong>Robert McNamara Remembered - lessons from a liberal technocrat...</strong> We are reluctant to speak ill of the dead. We prefer to celebrate the song and dance man, but forget the child molester and drug abuser. So let it be with Michael. But what of Robert? Almost lost among the Michael Jackson Memorial media circus last wee... Robert McNamara Remembered – lessons from a liberal technocrat…

We are reluctant to speak ill of the dead. We prefer to celebrate the song and dance man, but forget the child molester and drug abuser. So let it be with Michael. But what of Robert? Almost lost among the Michael Jackson Memorial media circus last wee…

]]> By: EEllis http://themoderatevoice.com/39102/no-medals-for-robert-strange-mcnamara-engineer-of-charlie-company-93-casualties-one-half-dead-one-half-maimed-for-life/comment-page-1/#comment-194078 EEllis Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:50:06 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=39102#comment-194078 "They have no planes, no napalm, no white phosphorus, no cluster bombs, no block busters, no artillery, nothing."<br><br>Where did you get that crap? These NVA troops were well funded, equiped and trained by comunest countries. Primaraly the Soviet Union but also China. North Vietman had Mig-21's and between their planes and the soviet air defence systems shot down over 1000 US planes. Selective mimory is sad. No matter how wrong you may think the US was please remember that in this, and other conflicts, however hard we pushed there was always somebody on the other side pushing just as hard. Vietnam was never a "popular" insurection or revolution. It was bought and paid for by the Soviet Union. The only reason we were there is because of that fact. “They have no planes, no napalm, no white phosphorus, no cluster bombs, no block busters, no artillery, nothing.”

Where did you get that crap? These NVA troops were well funded, equiped and trained by comunest countries. Primaraly the Soviet Union but also China. North Vietman had Mig-21's and between their planes and the soviet air defence systems shot down over 1000 US planes. Selective mimory is sad. No matter how wrong you may think the US was please remember that in this, and other conflicts, however hard we pushed there was always somebody on the other side pushing just as hard. Vietnam was never a “popular” insurection or revolution. It was bought and paid for by the Soviet Union. The only reason we were there is because of that fact.

]]> By: archangel http://themoderatevoice.com/39102/no-medals-for-robert-strange-mcnamara-engineer-of-charlie-company-93-casualties-one-half-dead-one-half-maimed-for-life/comment-page-1/#comment-194063 archangel Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:14:17 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=39102#comment-194063 eagleeyedick, read the first para. eagleeyedick, read the first para.

]]> By: eagleeyedick http://themoderatevoice.com/39102/no-medals-for-robert-strange-mcnamara-engineer-of-charlie-company-93-casualties-one-half-dead-one-half-maimed-for-life/comment-page-1/#comment-194056 eagleeyedick Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:37:11 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=39102#comment-194056 Why are the Vietnamese troops always the bad guys? It's their country. They have no planes, no napalm, no white phosphorus, no cluster bombs, no block busters, no artillery, nothing. Three and a a half million were slaughtered by us. They are the heroes. We are the invaders, the occupiers, the poisoning of the country for eternity. Why isn't the truth told. Our troops had no business there. Why are the Vietnamese troops always the bad guys? It's their country. They have no planes, no napalm, no white phosphorus, no cluster bombs, no block busters, no artillery, nothing. Three and a a half million were slaughtered by us. They are the heroes. We are the invaders, the occupiers, the poisoning of the country for eternity. Why isn't the truth told. Our troops had no business there.

]]> By: tidbits http://themoderatevoice.com/39102/no-medals-for-robert-strange-mcnamara-engineer-of-charlie-company-93-casualties-one-half-dead-one-half-maimed-for-life/comment-page-1/#comment-194023 tidbits Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:08:46 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=39102#comment-194023 dr. e - When I first saw the headline of your piece, I reacted with disdain. After reading the article, I decided to step outside for some fresh air. Walking to the door, I noticed there were tears in my eyes. dr. e – When I first saw the headline of your piece, I reacted with disdain. After reading the article, I decided to step outside for some fresh air. Walking to the door, I noticed there were tears in my eyes.

]]> By: spirasol http://themoderatevoice.com/39102/no-medals-for-robert-strange-mcnamara-engineer-of-charlie-company-93-casualties-one-half-dead-one-half-maimed-for-life/comment-page-1/#comment-194000 spirasol Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:33:13 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=39102#comment-194000 Wow, Dr. E you are really out there now! Thank you for saying it clear and plain and real. I remember Michael Moore went to congress to ask the hawks how many of their children were serving. Needless to say they all ran for the hills. I saw the documentary about Macnamara some years ago and it was unforgiving as it should have been. Your article is nearly like a book and cover a lot of ground so it is difficult to comment on one aspect.<br><br>War is a bit like having a baby but in the disastrously opposite way: you can read the books, talk to friends, but the event itself is overwhelming at least for some.<br><br>Jacks story is deeply moving on a personal level. My brother is/was a Marine, (in his mind he'll always be) served in Vietnam and was physically and psychologically wounded. A part of him never came home. Three years in he took off his uniform and refuse to wear it so with less than 7 months to go, he was dishonorably discharged and within the first year out his wound hemorrhaged and the Marines refused to pay a dime. He has had a passel of lawyers over the years. All start enthusiastically but that energy dries up when nothing happens. Recently he had a meeting off-the-record (arranged by war buddy) with a military psychiatrist who told him he had PTSD but said that there was no help for Vietnam vets. Suffice to say that the amount of Vietnam vets who took their own lives after the war is and continues to be staggering. . <br><br>Oh, my role during the war, which at the time I thought it took a lot of courage as I had to become 4F. At the time there was a whole underground support network of Doctors, psychiatrists among others willing to write the necessary paperwork, but you had to go down their on the bus to personally demonstrate your unworthiness to serve. It set me back for years. Wow, Dr. E you are really out there now! Thank you for saying it clear and plain and real. I remember Michael Moore went to congress to ask the hawks how many of their children were serving. Needless to say they all ran for the hills. I saw the documentary about Macnamara some years ago and it was unforgiving as it should have been. Your article is nearly like a book and cover a lot of ground so it is difficult to comment on one aspect.

War is a bit like having a baby but in the disastrously opposite way: you can read the books, talk to friends, but the event itself is overwhelming at least for some.

Jacks story is deeply moving on a personal level. My brother is/was a Marine, (in his mind he'll always be) served in Vietnam and was physically and psychologically wounded. A part of him never came home. Three years in he took off his uniform and refuse to wear it so with less than 7 months to go, he was dishonorably discharged and within the first year out his wound hemorrhaged and the Marines refused to pay a dime. He has had a passel of lawyers over the years. All start enthusiastically but that energy dries up when nothing happens. Recently he had a meeting off-the-record (arranged by war buddy) with a military psychiatrist who told him he had PTSD but said that there was no help for Vietnam vets. Suffice to say that the amount of Vietnam vets who took their own lives after the war is and continues to be staggering. .

Oh, my role during the war, which at the time I thought it took a lot of courage as I had to become 4F. At the time there was a whole underground support network of Doctors, psychiatrists among others willing to write the necessary paperwork, but you had to go down their on the bus to personally demonstrate your unworthiness to serve. It set me back for years.

]]> By: GeorgeSorwell http://themoderatevoice.com/39102/no-medals-for-robert-strange-mcnamara-engineer-of-charlie-company-93-casualties-one-half-dead-one-half-maimed-for-life/comment-page-1/#comment-193998 GeorgeSorwell Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:18:23 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=39102#comment-193998 Thank you. Thank you.

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