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	<title>Comments on: Rick Lazio&#8217;s Comeback</title>
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		<title>By: CCinDC</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/38542/rick-lazios-comeback/comment-page-1/#comment-193847</link>
		<dc:creator>CCinDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His career is over.  Nobody, nobody likes Tricky Ricky Lazio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His career is over.  Nobody, nobody likes Tricky Ricky Lazio.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/38542/rick-lazios-comeback/comment-page-1/#comment-193398</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Upstate there&#039;s plenty of red outside the old blue cities (Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, etc.).  Yes --&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NYSen00Counties.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NYSen00Counti...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s actually something I&#039;m aware of somewhere else I&#039;ve lived, the Pacific Northwest.  Some (lefties) are enamored of the &quot;Cascadia&quot; concept, which would be an independent Pacific Northwest, ideally bounded by the Pacific Crest (the eastern parts of Oregon and Washington are dry authentic West and quite Red).  While the wet side includes the major metro areas and gives the states their Blue status, the political complexion there is similar to Upstate in that outside the cities, it&#039;s politically more mainstream center-left to downright conservative (which is also true of many Northwestern and other major metro area suburbs, incidentally).  In other words, the Cascadia lefty-dreams will have to live with plenty of loggers and fishermen, for example.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now as to naming a whole state Blue or Red, it depends on the numbers, as well as the culture among those numbers, and New York is among the Bluest states there is.  (Note also that New England is quite Blue -- and there&#039;s a skew in the Mid-Atlantic as well.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Upstate there&#39;s plenty of red outside the old blue cities (Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, etc.).  Yes &#8211;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NYSen00Counties.png" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NYSen00Counti&#8230;</a></p>
<p>It&#39;s actually something I&#39;m aware of somewhere else I&#39;ve lived, the Pacific Northwest.  Some (lefties) are enamored of the &#8220;Cascadia&#8221; concept, which would be an independent Pacific Northwest, ideally bounded by the Pacific Crest (the eastern parts of Oregon and Washington are dry authentic West and quite Red).  While the wet side includes the major metro areas and gives the states their Blue status, the political complexion there is similar to Upstate in that outside the cities, it&#39;s politically more mainstream center-left to downright conservative (which is also true of many Northwestern and other major metro area suburbs, incidentally).  In other words, the Cascadia lefty-dreams will have to live with plenty of loggers and fishermen, for example.</p>
<p>Now as to naming a whole state Blue or Red, it depends on the numbers, as well as the culture among those numbers, and New York is among the Bluest states there is.  (Note also that New England is quite Blue &#8212; and there&#39;s a skew in the Mid-Atlantic as well.)</p>
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		<title>By: dmf</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was in WNY at the time. and yes,HC embarrassed that crap out of him. especially when she, in my opinion totally rope-a-doped him in to attempting to physically intimidate her at a debate which made him look like a date rapist.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;but calling NY the bluest of blue is misguided, i think. there&#039;s a LOT of red there. i mean, it&#039;s no massachusetts, fer cryin&#039; out loud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was in WNY at the time. and yes,HC embarrassed that crap out of him. especially when she, in my opinion totally rope-a-doped him in to attempting to physically intimidate her at a debate which made him look like a date rapist.</p>
<p>but calling NY the bluest of blue is misguided, i think. there&#39;s a LOT of red there. i mean, it&#39;s no massachusetts, fer cryin&#39; out loud.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As in New York, also in Michigan and in California (with a _real_ Republican, that is, someday): It depends on how much the Dems are willing to &quot;stretch the envelope&quot; or how low they&#039;re willing to go in their behavior.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I still wonder if the reason the Dems in Washington are behaving so badly is that they misread the public and believe more of them will accept no limits to misconduct than is actually the case (but the limit has not been reached yet), and to what extent that attitude (developing in its own way over decades) in the states is similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As in New York, also in Michigan and in California (with a _real_ Republican, that is, someday): It depends on how much the Dems are willing to &#8220;stretch the envelope&#8221; or how low they&#39;re willing to go in their behavior.</p>
<p>I still wonder if the reason the Dems in Washington are behaving so badly is that they misread the public and believe more of them will accept no limits to misconduct than is actually the case (but the limit has not been reached yet), and to what extent that attitude (developing in its own way over decades) in the states is similar.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in Upstate at the time -- Hillary Clinton made him look like a kid.  My DC friend and I toured Long Island and even there, unsurprisingly, it was a divided place, with plenty of &quot;Hillary&quot; as well as &quot;Lazio&quot; yard signs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nobody really was surprised that Hillary Clinton would win, or worse, Eliot Spitzer, at that time.  (Those Spitzer commercials harkening back to black-and-white grainy film of steam-powered trains were quite revealing about the nature of the people Spitzer was exploiting -- similar to those anti-government-cutback health-care ads featuring the requisite quick shot of elderly with canes and walkers and in wheelchairs.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in Upstate at the time &#8212; Hillary Clinton made him look like a kid.  My DC friend and I toured Long Island and even there, unsurprisingly, it was a divided place, with plenty of &#8220;Hillary&#8221; as well as &#8220;Lazio&#8221; yard signs.</p>
<p>Nobody really was surprised that Hillary Clinton would win, or worse, Eliot Spitzer, at that time.  (Those Spitzer commercials harkening back to black-and-white grainy film of steam-powered trains were quite revealing about the nature of the people Spitzer was exploiting &#8212; similar to those anti-government-cutback health-care ads featuring the requisite quick shot of elderly with canes and walkers and in wheelchairs.)</p>
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