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		<title>By: D. E.Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. E.Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Did Sanford sign legislation about infidelity? Has he ever fired someone for cheating on their spouses?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Good subject for research. We&#039;ll soon find out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Did Sanford sign legislation about infidelity? Has he ever fired someone for cheating on their spouses?&#8221;</p>
<p>Good subject for research. We&#39;ll soon find out</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are politicians who support forced busing while sending their own children to private school hypocrites?  Are politicians who want to ban guns a hypocrite because they use armed security?  Are politicians hypocrites when they are about merit but get their children into college using the family name? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe politicians are really hypocrites when they refuse to be leaders.  It they want to force others to do something, they should subject themselves or their families to the same.  The most hypocritical politicians are the ones who pass laws that they expect others to follow but not themselves. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Did Sanford sign legislation about infidelity? Has he ever fired someone for cheating on their spouses?  How does that compare to the Democrats repeatly passing sexual harassment laws and then figuring out ways that those same laws to not apply to themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are politicians who support forced busing while sending their own children to private school hypocrites?  Are politicians who want to ban guns a hypocrite because they use armed security?  Are politicians hypocrites when they are about merit but get their children into college using the family name? </p>
<p>I believe politicians are really hypocrites when they refuse to be leaders.  It they want to force others to do something, they should subject themselves or their families to the same.  The most hypocritical politicians are the ones who pass laws that they expect others to follow but not themselves. </p>
<p>Did Sanford sign legislation about infidelity? Has he ever fired someone for cheating on their spouses?  How does that compare to the Democrats repeatly passing sexual harassment laws and then figuring out ways that those same laws to not apply to themselves?</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I generally don&#039;t double-post comments, but this one is especially fitting for this post.  But here goes:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I suppose with the various sex scandals in the GOP these days their new motto is, &quot;Make love not war.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s one way for them to make a comeback. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally don&#39;t double-post comments, but this one is especially fitting for this post.  But here goes:</p>
<p>I suppose with the various sex scandals in the GOP these days their new motto is, &#8220;Make love not war.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#39;s one way for them to make a comeback. <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: D. E.Rodriguez</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/36820/tarnished-shields-the-morally-bankrupt-family-values-republican-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-190897</link>
		<dc:creator>D. E.Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Does a person have to have a clean driving record and never let the spedometer get over the limit in order to believe that we should have speed limits?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Absolutely not.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But, is a politician who demonizes and legislates against gays and then turns out to either commit gay acts or be a gay himself a hypocrite?  Absolutely yes!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is a person who preaches moral values, and family values and  God-fearing, bible-thumping principles and then violates those principles, a hypocrite?  Absolutely yes!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Does a Party or a movement that has moral values, family values, religious principles etched in stone in its platform , runs on such a platform, rubs the opposition party&#039;s nose in it, hypocritical?  Absolutely yes!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Does a person have to have a clean driving record and never let the spedometer get over the limit in order to believe that we should have speed limits?&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely not.</p>
<p>But, is a politician who demonizes and legislates against gays and then turns out to either commit gay acts or be a gay himself a hypocrite?  Absolutely yes!</p>
<p>Is a person who preaches moral values, and family values and  God-fearing, bible-thumping principles and then violates those principles, a hypocrite?  Absolutely yes!</p>
<p>Does a Party or a movement that has moral values, family values, religious principles etched in stone in its platform , runs on such a platform, rubs the opposition party&#39;s nose in it, hypocritical?  Absolutely yes!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
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		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;perhaps people can simultaneously believe that certain behaviors are morally wrong (either with or without a concurrent belief that such behaviors should have bearing on legislation and policy) but still be human beings with faults and failings?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t have a problem with that -- we all fall short of our ideals at times; like I said above, people are people.  I do have a problem with those people holding up higher standards for others than they hold themselves to.  Now, it&#039;s possible that Sanford will realize through his personal experience that sometimes lightning strikes and you fall in love and it is an overwhelmingly powerful experience. This could very well change his understanding of why, for example, being gay really isn&#039;t a choice, and why teenagers have sex despite abstinence-only education and we should therefore teach them about contraceptives, why adultery shouldn&#039;t be a crime (as it is currently in SC -- brings up a whole &#039;nuther can of worms), why presidents shouldn&#039;t be impeached because of sexual indiscression, why there is more to sex than God and children.  I don&#039;t know what will happen there, time will tell.  His career&#039;s DOA anyway, so it&#039;s not impossible. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;I guess I&#039;d believe that certain commenters were more genuinely outraged...&quot;  I&#039;ve been outraged at the policies he has espoused for a long time, and this doesn&#039;t in any way change how I feel about those policies.  I hope it changes the way HE feels about them.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;what David Letterman has to do with all of this...&quot; Just because DL was the most recent to say something totally inappropriate in the slut-shaming category does not mean that he has a copywrite on the practice.  And lefty commedians certainly aren&#039;t the ones constantly trying to put into policy laws that make it difficult for young women in this regard. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Aside from the fact that you misrepresent what social conservatives believe&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How do you figure?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;A hypocrite doesn&#039;t actually believe what he says or pretends to believe&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I didn&#039;t use the word &quot;hypocrite&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;perhaps people can simultaneously believe that certain behaviors are morally wrong (either with or without a concurrent belief that such behaviors should have bearing on legislation and policy) but still be human beings with faults and failings?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#39;t have a problem with that &#8212; we all fall short of our ideals at times; like I said above, people are people.  I do have a problem with those people holding up higher standards for others than they hold themselves to.  Now, it&#39;s possible that Sanford will realize through his personal experience that sometimes lightning strikes and you fall in love and it is an overwhelmingly powerful experience. This could very well change his understanding of why, for example, being gay really isn&#39;t a choice, and why teenagers have sex despite abstinence-only education and we should therefore teach them about contraceptives, why adultery shouldn&#39;t be a crime (as it is currently in SC &#8212; brings up a whole &#39;nuther can of worms), why presidents shouldn&#39;t be impeached because of sexual indiscression, why there is more to sex than God and children.  I don&#39;t know what will happen there, time will tell.  His career&#39;s DOA anyway, so it&#39;s not impossible. </p>
<p>&#8220;I guess I&#39;d believe that certain commenters were more genuinely outraged&#8230;&#8221;  I&#39;ve been outraged at the policies he has espoused for a long time, and this doesn&#39;t in any way change how I feel about those policies.  I hope it changes the way HE feels about them.  </p>
<p>&#8220;what David Letterman has to do with all of this&#8230;&#8221; Just because DL was the most recent to say something totally inappropriate in the slut-shaming category does not mean that he has a copywrite on the practice.  And lefty commedians certainly aren&#39;t the ones constantly trying to put into policy laws that make it difficult for young women in this regard. </p>
<p>&#8220;Aside from the fact that you misrepresent what social conservatives believe&#8221; </p>
<p>How do you figure?</p>
<p>&#8220;A hypocrite doesn&#39;t actually believe what he says or pretends to believe&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#39;t use the word &#8220;hypocrite&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@roro:Aside from the fact that you misrepresent what social conservatives believe, and as far as I&#039;ve seen you&#039;re misrepresenting Sanford by implying that he is a staunch social conservative, and then the line about &#039;slut shaming young girls has me scratching my head wondering what David Letterman has to do with all of this...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To answer your basic question, perhaps people can simultaneously believe that certain behaviors are morally wrong (either with or without a concurrent belief that such behaviors should have bearing on legislation and policy) but still be human beings with faults and failings?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Does a person have to have a clean driving record and never let the spedometer get over the limit in order to believe that we should have speed limits?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not saying that leaders shouldn&#039;t walk the walk, but failing to live up to one&#039;s standards is not the same as hypocrisy. A hypocrite doesn&#039;t actually believe what he says or pretends to believe, while the policitians like Sanford appear to believe that their actions are wrong even though they were  too weak to resist the temptation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess I&#039;d believe that certain commenters were more genuinely outraged about leaders who don&#039;t practice what they preach if the standard were also applied to people like Al Gore (inhabiting a minimansion and flying private jets, and paying indulgences) or other liberals who say one thing but do another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@roro:Aside from the fact that you misrepresent what social conservatives believe, and as far as I&#39;ve seen you&#39;re misrepresenting Sanford by implying that he is a staunch social conservative, and then the line about &#39;slut shaming young girls has me scratching my head wondering what David Letterman has to do with all of this&#8230;</p>
<p>To answer your basic question, perhaps people can simultaneously believe that certain behaviors are morally wrong (either with or without a concurrent belief that such behaviors should have bearing on legislation and policy) but still be human beings with faults and failings?</p>
<p>Does a person have to have a clean driving record and never let the spedometer get over the limit in order to believe that we should have speed limits?</p>
<p>I&#39;m not saying that leaders shouldn&#39;t walk the walk, but failing to live up to one&#39;s standards is not the same as hypocrisy. A hypocrite doesn&#39;t actually believe what he says or pretends to believe, while the policitians like Sanford appear to believe that their actions are wrong even though they were  too weak to resist the temptation.</p>
<p>I guess I&#39;d believe that certain commenters were more genuinely outraged about leaders who don&#39;t practice what they preach if the standard were also applied to people like Al Gore (inhabiting a minimansion and flying private jets, and paying indulgences) or other liberals who say one thing but do another.</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
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		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, I don&#039;t think Republicans cheat on their spouses any more or less than Democrats.  People are people -- it&#039;s a terrible thing to do, but it does happen.  I hope his wife and family can make it through ok.  From a purely professional standpoint, were I one of his constituents, I&#039;d be much more upset that he took off for a week without handing over the reins in case of an emergency.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All that said, it would be nice if the Bible-belt social conservatives like the SC Gov could get their noses out of the personal lives of other people, stop trying to legislate &quot;Christian Family Values&quot;, stop blabbering on about the &quot;sanctity of marriage&quot;, stop the slut-shaming of young women, stop trying to keep birth control out of the hands of young people, and stop trying to argue for the sake of policy that sex and marriage are for the sole purpose of procreation.  I really don&#039;t understand how someone who is obviously engaging in sex for the pleasure of it, someone who is cheating on his wife, someone who is most certainly using birth control, and someone who has defiled the sanctity of his own marriage and family can with any credibility make any of those issues part of his platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, I don&#39;t think Republicans cheat on their spouses any more or less than Democrats.  People are people &#8212; it&#39;s a terrible thing to do, but it does happen.  I hope his wife and family can make it through ok.  From a purely professional standpoint, were I one of his constituents, I&#39;d be much more upset that he took off for a week without handing over the reins in case of an emergency.  </p>
<p>All that said, it would be nice if the Bible-belt social conservatives like the SC Gov could get their noses out of the personal lives of other people, stop trying to legislate &#8220;Christian Family Values&#8221;, stop blabbering on about the &#8220;sanctity of marriage&#8221;, stop the slut-shaming of young women, stop trying to keep birth control out of the hands of young people, and stop trying to argue for the sake of policy that sex and marriage are for the sole purpose of procreation.  I really don&#39;t understand how someone who is obviously engaging in sex for the pleasure of it, someone who is cheating on his wife, someone who is most certainly using birth control, and someone who has defiled the sanctity of his own marriage and family can with any credibility make any of those issues part of his platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Sanford was not a &quot;Family Values&quot; politician, his thing was fiscal conservatism, that hasn&#039;t changed and he still has my vote as governor of my State.  I&#039;d rather have a guy who cheats and can keep government spending down, than a faithful husband that can&#039;t.  I don&#039;t feel like paying a price for fidelity of my elected officials, and getting someone who is not as capable of running the State.  Better it suck to be the governors kids, than suck to be one of the that will inherit the debt of increased government spending all over the State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Sanford was not a &#8220;Family Values&#8221; politician, his thing was fiscal conservatism, that hasn&#39;t changed and he still has my vote as governor of my State.  I&#39;d rather have a guy who cheats and can keep government spending down, than a faithful husband that can&#39;t.  I don&#39;t feel like paying a price for fidelity of my elected officials, and getting someone who is not as capable of running the State.  Better it suck to be the governors kids, than suck to be one of the that will inherit the debt of increased government spending all over the State.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes to personal misconduct (and, of course, politically-related misconduct) that may arise from holding or seeking political position,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;I doubt Republicans are any more or less morally bankrupt than Democrats.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Especially Washington, and likely the opportunity to move up the ranks to get to Washington, seems to corrupt all -- all are at least susceptible.  Look at what happened to the post-1994 GOP &quot;revolution&quot; (as well as the personal conduct of some associated with this).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the case of Washington, it&#039;s an obvious consequence of Washington&#039;s being far too large and powerful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to personal misconduct (and, of course, politically-related misconduct) that may arise from holding or seeking political position,</p>
<p>&#8220;I doubt Republicans are any more or less morally bankrupt than Democrats.&#8221;</p>
<p>Especially Washington, and likely the opportunity to move up the ranks to get to Washington, seems to corrupt all &#8212; all are at least susceptible.  Look at what happened to the post-1994 GOP &#8220;revolution&#8221; (as well as the personal conduct of some associated with this).</p>
<p>In the case of Washington, it&#39;s an obvious consequence of Washington&#39;s being far too large and powerful.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, this is funny (from Ann Althouse&#039;s comment section:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;I fear that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Using mind control techniques developed on his home planet, Obama has unleashed an army of seductresses in order to eliminate the men who stand in the way of his reelection in 2012. Based on the timing of the Sanford and Ensign affairs, it appears he launched the offensive before the first primary of 2008.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know this seems like a far-fetched theory, but it will seem a lot more plausible should Huckabee or Pawlenty ever hold the confessional press conference.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, this is funny (from Ann Althouse&#39;s comment section:</p>
<p><i>I fear that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Using mind control techniques developed on his home planet, Obama has unleashed an army of seductresses in order to eliminate the men who stand in the way of his reelection in 2012. Based on the timing of the Sanford and Ensign affairs, it appears he launched the offensive before the first primary of 2008.</p>
<p>I know this seems like a far-fetched theory, but it will seem a lot more plausible should Huckabee or Pawlenty ever hold the confessional press conference.</i></p>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt Republicans are any more or less morally bankrupt than Democrats.  Although you could make the case they are being hypocritical, if you truly buy into the premise people&#039;s personal lives are not relevant to their professional capability then this article makes little sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt Republicans are any more or less morally bankrupt than Democrats.  Although you could make the case they are being hypocritical, if you truly buy into the premise people&#39;s personal lives are not relevant to their professional capability then this article makes little sense.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I anticipated the emergence of a horde of such people like Brasch, emerging from the darkness.  Their real problem isn&#039;t with GOP politicians who behave like Dem politicians, or with &quot;hypocrisy&quot; (belonging in quotes because it is a word and term so misused by these people, who are _nobody) to misuse it).  It&#039;s no surprise if many of them are actually gloating, and not because of the GOP missteps, because rather what they really don&#039;t like is the term and the concept underlying the term &quot;family values.&quot;  Why else would they subject this to their obscession and loathing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I anticipated the emergence of a horde of such people like Brasch, emerging from the darkness.  Their real problem isn&#39;t with GOP politicians who behave like Dem politicians, or with &#8220;hypocrisy&#8221; (belonging in quotes because it is a word and term so misused by these people, who are _nobody) to misuse it).  It&#39;s no surprise if many of them are actually gloating, and not because of the GOP missteps, because rather what they really don&#39;t like is the term and the concept underlying the term &#8220;family values.&#8221;  Why else would they subject this to their obscession and loathing?</p>
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