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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/35948/the-liberal-media-fires-another-one-of-its-own/comment-page-1/#comment-189504</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The demographics are clear. Newspapers won&#039;t be around much longer, at least not in their current &#039;paper&#039; form.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Actually, they could remain alive, though sharing interest with on-line media, which is faster and more flexible, just as plenty of us enjoy real books even though we do a lot of research and other work on-line now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The picture is larger than you may conceive it.  Yes, demographics, but more than that.  The media (including these two papers) are obviously liberal, as are most sources in the media (a community that has been well left of the public for ages, despite dishonest denials or failure to grasp the obvious by many on the left, whose complaint if they were more honest would be that they aren&#039;t reliably or far left enough).  The public (especially the intelligent, learned public) is often repelled by this and the rare right media outlets are simply finding an underserved, deliberately neglected market.  (That is what made Rush Limbaugh famous and wealthy and how Fox was able to become known, through controversy in defying the liberal media convention and harsh orthodoxy.)  The media are continuing to die (and that includes the over-hyped-and-subject-to-conceit &quot;new media&quot;) in terms of respect among the public, especially the intelligent, learned public.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Next, you have hordes of younger people who are uninformed and don&#039;t wish to be, and in particularly don&#039;t like or want to read.  You can&#039;t sell reading material to people who are uninterested in reading.  (So many people on-line simply play music or videos and their reading is limited to chat, text messages, and on-line dating profiles and the like.  Most blogs are of little to no real substantive value, either.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then comes the economics of the newspaper (and news magazine -- does anyone still read those leftish tabloid, flippant-intellectual-low-level rags?  We have nothing like the Economist here in the USA) business with a dwindling market and now facing an economic downturn overall, in which newspapers are often considered discretionary or at least one of those personal expenditures that can be reduced or eliminated when money is tight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The demographics are clear. Newspapers won&#39;t be around much longer, at least not in their current &#39;paper&#39; form.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, they could remain alive, though sharing interest with on-line media, which is faster and more flexible, just as plenty of us enjoy real books even though we do a lot of research and other work on-line now.</p>
<p>The picture is larger than you may conceive it.  Yes, demographics, but more than that.  The media (including these two papers) are obviously liberal, as are most sources in the media (a community that has been well left of the public for ages, despite dishonest denials or failure to grasp the obvious by many on the left, whose complaint if they were more honest would be that they aren&#39;t reliably or far left enough).  The public (especially the intelligent, learned public) is often repelled by this and the rare right media outlets are simply finding an underserved, deliberately neglected market.  (That is what made Rush Limbaugh famous and wealthy and how Fox was able to become known, through controversy in defying the liberal media convention and harsh orthodoxy.)  The media are continuing to die (and that includes the over-hyped-and-subject-to-conceit &#8220;new media&#8221;) in terms of respect among the public, especially the intelligent, learned public.</p>
<p>Next, you have hordes of younger people who are uninformed and don&#39;t wish to be, and in particularly don&#39;t like or want to read.  You can&#39;t sell reading material to people who are uninterested in reading.  (So many people on-line simply play music or videos and their reading is limited to chat, text messages, and on-line dating profiles and the like.  Most blogs are of little to no real substantive value, either.)</p>
<p>Then comes the economics of the newspaper (and news magazine &#8212; does anyone still read those leftish tabloid, flippant-intellectual-low-level rags?  We have nothing like the Economist here in the USA) business with a dwindling market and now facing an economic downturn overall, in which newspapers are often considered discretionary or at least one of those personal expenditures that can be reduced or eliminated when money is tight.</p>
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		<title>By: shannonlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>shannonlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;At a time when newspapers are relying more and more on online traffic, the Post just fired the person who, in 2007, wrote 3 out of the top 10 most-trafficked columns.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is exactly why the Post is slowly going the way of the dodo.  They simply don&#039;t understand how to compete in the new world.  The Post would be smart to cut a lot of its newspaper staff, turn itself into a weekly/bi-weekly mag and concentrate on their web presence.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The demographics are clear.  Newspapers won&#039;t be around much longer, at least not in their current &quot;paper&quot; form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At a time when newspapers are relying more and more on online traffic, the Post just fired the person who, in 2007, wrote 3 out of the top 10 most-trafficked columns.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is exactly why the Post is slowly going the way of the dodo.  They simply don&#39;t understand how to compete in the new world.  The Post would be smart to cut a lot of its newspaper staff, turn itself into a weekly/bi-weekly mag and concentrate on their web presence.  </p>
<p>The demographics are clear.  Newspapers won&#39;t be around much longer, at least not in their current &#8220;paper&#8221; form.</p>
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		<title>By: joeaudio</title>
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		<dc:creator>joeaudio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Austin,&lt;br&gt;Not being a DC insider, the Wapoo has always seemed to me to favor the village idiots (DC insiders.)&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think it matters so much liberal or conservative, left or right, they play the insider game.&lt;br&gt;Not sure why Froomkin wasn&#039;t fired for being critical of the previous gang, not sure that he&#039;s fired now for being critical of the current gang.&lt;br&gt;Also, I&#039;ve never understood why Wapoo or NYT are considered &quot;liberal.&quot; Judy Miller was a reliable mouthpiece for the Cheney gang, among others there.&lt;br&gt;This, I do understand:&lt;br&gt;both Wapoo and NYT are on life support, for good reason. Sorry to see the old media die, but they don&#039;t  compete well in the modern world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Austin,<br />Not being a DC insider, the Wapoo has always seemed to me to favor the village idiots (DC insiders.)<br />I don&#39;t think it matters so much liberal or conservative, left or right, they play the insider game.<br />Not sure why Froomkin wasn&#39;t fired for being critical of the previous gang, not sure that he&#39;s fired now for being critical of the current gang.<br />Also, I&#39;ve never understood why Wapoo or NYT are considered &#8220;liberal.&#8221; Judy Miller was a reliable mouthpiece for the Cheney gang, among others there.<br />This, I do understand:<br />both Wapoo and NYT are on life support, for good reason. Sorry to see the old media die, but they don&#39;t  compete well in the modern world.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GS - riiiggghhht. After Bush has left office, NOW they fire him for that. T&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;he obvious, Occam&#039;s Razor answer is he was failing to promote the Chosen One of the Media, which while a sin when committed by the Right is apostasy coming from Left Media. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And history is very consistent in showing that sinners are punished much less severely than apostates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GS &#8211; riiiggghhht. After Bush has left office, NOW they fire him for that. T</p>
<p>he obvious, Occam&#39;s Razor answer is he was failing to promote the Chosen One of the Media, which while a sin when committed by the Right is apostasy coming from Left Media. </p>
<p>And history is very consistent in showing that sinners are punished much less severely than apostates.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for a blogosphere revolt.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Can someone just let me know when one of the assumptions for Froomkin&#039;s dismissal pans out? I realize launching various complaints based on unconfirmed information is all the rage these days, but eventually I do like knowing what really happened instead of letting guesswork become unchallenged Truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m all for a blogosphere revolt.</p>
<p>Can someone just let me know when one of the assumptions for Froomkin&#39;s dismissal pans out? I realize launching various complaints based on unconfirmed information is all the rage these days, but eventually I do like knowing what really happened instead of letting guesswork become unchallenged Truth.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeSorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaGoat--&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/the-torturemongers-vs-froomkin.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andrew Sullivan&lt;/a&gt; says it&#039;s because of his complaints against Neocons and torture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaGoat&#8211;</p>
<p><a href="http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/the-torturemongers-vs-froomkin.html" rel="nofollow">Andrew Sullivan</a> says it&#39;s because of his complaints against Neocons and torture.</p>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if I understand this correctly the WaPo fired Froomkin for being critical of Obama?  So they&#039;re not really liberal, just very supportive of Obama?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if I understand this correctly the WaPo fired Froomkin for being critical of Obama?  So they&#39;re not really liberal, just very supportive of Obama?</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s like putting &quot;round earth&quot; in quotes.  It&#039;s sarcasm that really doesn&#039;t go far, rather than taking time to understand that it&#039;s still a round earth even though it&#039;s not a sphere but an oblate ellipsoid, with terrain that deviates from that geometric form&#039;s perfectly smooth and uniform (theoretical, in fact) surface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s like putting &#8220;round earth&#8221; in quotes.  It&#39;s sarcasm that really doesn&#39;t go far, rather than taking time to understand that it&#39;s still a round earth even though it&#39;s not a sphere but an oblate ellipsoid, with terrain that deviates from that geometric form&#39;s perfectly smooth and uniform (theoretical, in fact) surface.</p>
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