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		<title>By: roro80</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/35105/hate-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-188201</link>
		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, jchem, I just thought it was a little odd to throw that in there.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;More to the point:  I certainly agree that it&#039;s wrong for anyone on either side to engage in vandalism or property damage, and of course violence, in order to further their personal political agenda.  As you said, nobody deserves to feel unsafe at their place of employment.  No argument there.  There is, however, a huge difference between breaking into a lab to steal bunnies and grabbing a gun and, with full intention, shooting someone you disagree with.  The original post is about the difference between left and right in both the violence level and the rhetoric.  Again:  how is a bombing timed so as to be sure of no loss of life but maximum property damage followed by overwhelming (and correct!) condemnation by even the most liberal news sources the same as a premeditated political murder followed by a collective shoulder shrug from conservative sources? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;To assert that crazy killers are only right-wing extremists is simply dishonest.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m sure there are plenty of lefty crazy killers; they just don&#039;t seem to kill for political purposes.  If there&#039;s an example I&#039;m missing, by all means hit me with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, jchem, I just thought it was a little odd to throw that in there.  </p>
<p>More to the point:  I certainly agree that it&#39;s wrong for anyone on either side to engage in vandalism or property damage, and of course violence, in order to further their personal political agenda.  As you said, nobody deserves to feel unsafe at their place of employment.  No argument there.  There is, however, a huge difference between breaking into a lab to steal bunnies and grabbing a gun and, with full intention, shooting someone you disagree with.  The original post is about the difference between left and right in both the violence level and the rhetoric.  Again:  how is a bombing timed so as to be sure of no loss of life but maximum property damage followed by overwhelming (and correct!) condemnation by even the most liberal news sources the same as a premeditated political murder followed by a collective shoulder shrug from conservative sources? </p>
<p>&#8220;To assert that crazy killers are only right-wing extremists is simply dishonest.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#39;m sure there are plenty of lefty crazy killers; they just don&#39;t seem to kill for political purposes.  If there&#39;s an example I&#39;m missing, by all means hit me with it.</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/35105/hate-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-188177</link>
		<dc:creator>jchem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>roro80, I&#039;m not implying anything. Yeah, I&#039;m a scientist, so what? Before that I was a young hippy festival jumping across the country in a VW Microbus filled with fog. I&#039;m no smarter than anyone else here trying to make sense of the world. My research has nothing to do with animals, so directly, no I&#039;m not affected. But then again, I&#039;m not directly affected by any of these killings that have happened in the past couple of weeks either. It doesn&#039;t matter if it doesn&#039;t directly affect me. It&#039;s wrong, simple as that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I went to grad school with some folks who now are at research universities in California, testing various drugs on animals. One&#039;s had his car set on fire, another one had his lab broken into and all of the animals released out into the community. Just because no one has been killed yet doesn&#039;t justify it. What would happen if one of those animals hopped up on something decided to go on a rampage and kill anyone it encountered? I&#039;ve said before that terrorism is terrorism, regardless of what side of the political aisle it comes from. No one should have to put up with it. Not from the left, not from the right, not from anywhere. To assert that crazy killers are only right-wing extremists is simply dishonest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>roro80, I&#39;m not implying anything. Yeah, I&#39;m a scientist, so what? Before that I was a young hippy festival jumping across the country in a VW Microbus filled with fog. I&#39;m no smarter than anyone else here trying to make sense of the world. My research has nothing to do with animals, so directly, no I&#39;m not affected. But then again, I&#39;m not directly affected by any of these killings that have happened in the past couple of weeks either. It doesn&#39;t matter if it doesn&#39;t directly affect me. It&#39;s wrong, simple as that.</p>
<p>I went to grad school with some folks who now are at research universities in California, testing various drugs on animals. One&#39;s had his car set on fire, another one had his lab broken into and all of the animals released out into the community. Just because no one has been killed yet doesn&#39;t justify it. What would happen if one of those animals hopped up on something decided to go on a rampage and kill anyone it encountered? I&#39;ve said before that terrorism is terrorism, regardless of what side of the political aisle it comes from. No one should have to put up with it. Not from the left, not from the right, not from anywhere. To assert that crazy killers are only right-wing extremists is simply dishonest.</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/35105/hate-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-188167</link>
		<dc:creator>jchem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GD, I&#039;ll admit I don&#039;t know much about the guy other than what I gathered from Wiki. With his recent dust-up with the Brits he&#039;s putting a lot of stock into his work from his past incarnation as an ethnobotanist. I assume if he was prolific in that area, he wouldn&#039;t have had to go into talk radio. Oh well. You knew him? Small world, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GD, I&#39;ll admit I don&#39;t know much about the guy other than what I gathered from Wiki. With his recent dust-up with the Brits he&#39;s putting a lot of stock into his work from his past incarnation as an ethnobotanist. I assume if he was prolific in that area, he wouldn&#39;t have had to go into talk radio. Oh well. You knew him? Small world, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/35105/hate-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-188159</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudi, Michael Weiner was not a good ethnobotanist, and never distinguished himself in that field. I know him and was surprised when he went from arrogant, egotistical know-it-all consultant to arrogant, egotistical, flaming hate monger for the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudi, Michael Weiner was not a good ethnobotanist, and never distinguished himself in that field. I know him and was surprised when he went from arrogant, egotistical know-it-all consultant to arrogant, egotistical, flaming hate monger for the right.</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/35105/hate-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-188144</link>
		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s clear, jchem, that your tongue-n-cheek monitor might be broken.  And hey, maybe they haven&#039;t killed anyone *yet* because they&#039;re, uh, not trying to kill anyone.  I&#039;m one of those &quot;Vegetarians Against PETA&quot;, and I am totally against the extremists involved in ecoterrorism.  You know what?  So is EVERYONE else not directly involved in those groups.  That includes people to the far far left of the political spectrum, that includes every person on any channel reading the news.  Nobody says &quot;well, we shouldn&#039;t really condone violence, but the *sshole had it coming to him&quot; like we saw from groups like Operation Rescue, etc, etc after Dr. Tiller&#039;s murder.  So, as stated above, let&#039;s not pretend there&#039;s an equivalency. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m curious, since you brought up your job, do you do research in a place that has ecoterrorists bothering you, or are you just trying to implicate that you must be smarter than I am due to your status as a research scientist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#39;s clear, jchem, that your tongue-n-cheek monitor might be broken.  And hey, maybe they haven&#39;t killed anyone *yet* because they&#39;re, uh, not trying to kill anyone.  I&#39;m one of those &#8220;Vegetarians Against PETA&#8221;, and I am totally against the extremists involved in ecoterrorism.  You know what?  So is EVERYONE else not directly involved in those groups.  That includes people to the far far left of the political spectrum, that includes every person on any channel reading the news.  Nobody says &#8220;well, we shouldn&#39;t really condone violence, but the *sshole had it coming to him&#8221; like we saw from groups like Operation Rescue, etc, etc after Dr. Tiller&#39;s murder.  So, as stated above, let&#39;s not pretend there&#39;s an equivalency. </p>
<p>I&#39;m curious, since you brought up your job, do you do research in a place that has ecoterrorists bothering you, or are you just trying to implicate that you must be smarter than I am due to your status as a research scientist?</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/35105/hate-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-188121</link>
		<dc:creator>jchem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudi, I&#039;m with you about Larison vs Savage. But I never said PETA killed anyone. I thought that was pretty clear in my last comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudi, I&#39;m with you about Larison vs Savage. But I never said PETA killed anyone. I thought that was pretty clear in my last comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/35105/hate-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-188120</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jchem - Your right about Savage, but I&#039;ll read Larison before I listen to the rants of Savage. Did PETA kill cops in Pittsburgh, an abortion provider or a security guard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jchem &#8211; Your right about Savage, but I&#39;ll read Larison before I listen to the rants of Savage. Did PETA kill cops in Pittsburgh, an abortion provider or a security guard?</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/35105/hate-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-188117</link>
		<dc:creator>jchem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>roro80 - &lt;i&gt;It&#039;s kind of cute to talk about PETA and their blood throwing&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That it is kind of &quot;cute&quot;, huh? I was talking about the other eco groups that toss pipe bombs into houses. But hey, they haven&#039;t killed anyone, &lt;i&gt;yet&lt;/i&gt;, so for now I suppose research scientists (myself included) should just learn to ignore them, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>roro80 &#8211; <i>It&#39;s kind of cute to talk about PETA and their blood throwing</i></p>
<p>That it is kind of &#8220;cute&#8221;, huh? I was talking about the other eco groups that toss pipe bombs into houses. But hey, they haven&#39;t killed anyone, <i>yet</i>, so for now I suppose research scientists (myself included) should just learn to ignore them, right?</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/35105/hate-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-188115</link>
		<dc:creator>jchem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>er, Rudi you can do a quick &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage_(commentator)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia search&lt;/a&gt; for Savage and find that he has a PhD from UC Berkeley as well as two Master&#039;s Degrees from U Hawaii, all within science disciplines. He isn&#039;t some mindless dolt, but he does have very hard, take no prisoners, conservative view of the world. I don&#039;t listen to him for much of that reason, but he has pretty solid credentials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>er, Rudi you can do a quick <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage_(commentator)" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia search</a> for Savage and find that he has a PhD from UC Berkeley as well as two Master&#39;s Degrees from U Hawaii, all within science disciplines. He isn&#39;t some mindless dolt, but he does have very hard, take no prisoners, conservative view of the world. I don&#39;t listen to him for much of that reason, but he has pretty solid credentials.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/35105/hate-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-188090</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachael Maddow, and Paul Krugman - Both are Phd&#039;s, now who on the right cables news noise can make the same claim?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck or Bill O’Reilly - I wonder if any in this group are college grads or have advanced degrees.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;AR - I mentioned Larison in the past. If you want a paleocon intellectual go to his site:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amconmag.com/larison/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.amconmag.com/larison/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;John Schwenker is also blogging at AmCon, and this Liebrul enjoys reading both daily:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amconmag.com/schwenkler/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.amconmag.com/schwenkler/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;While I am a fan of the ACLU, I enjoy reading a reasoable thought from the other side. The Beck&#039;s and Savages are just stupid clowns playing bad populist noise...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachael Maddow, and Paul Krugman &#8211; Both are Phd&#39;s, now who on the right cables news noise can make the same claim?</p>
<p>Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck or Bill O’Reilly &#8211; I wonder if any in this group are college grads or have advanced degrees.</p>
<p>AR &#8211; I mentioned Larison in the past. If you want a paleocon intellectual go to his site:<br /><a href="http://www.amconmag.com/larison/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amconmag.com/larison/</a><br />John Schwenker is also blogging at AmCon, and this Liebrul enjoys reading both daily:<br /><a href="http://www.amconmag.com/schwenkler/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amconmag.com/schwenkler/</a><br />While I am a fan of the ACLU, I enjoy reading a reasoable thought from the other side. The Beck&#39;s and Savages are just stupid clowns playing bad populist noise&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krugman won the Nobel for Economics, not his political opinions. Like many Left intelectuals (Chonsky comes to mind), they think think their expertise in one narrow area translates to a broad expertise over many areas. It does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krugman won the Nobel for Economics, not his political opinions. Like many Left intelectuals (Chonsky comes to mind), they think think their expertise in one narrow area translates to a broad expertise over many areas. It does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/35105/hate-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-188082</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 04:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Let&#039;s try Micheal Moore, Keith Olbermann, Glenn Greenwald, Chris Matthews, Markos &quot;Daily Kos&quot; Moulitsas, Rachael Maddow, and Paul Krugman.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Krugman?  I understand that it must really be annoying for conservatives to have a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bates_Clark_Medal&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clark&lt;/a&gt; &amp; Nobel prize winner take them to the woodshed on a regular basis, but you are just going to have to get over it...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BTW if Chris Matthew is on the left, I am Santa Claus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Let&#39;s try Micheal Moore, Keith Olbermann, Glenn Greenwald, Chris Matthews, Markos &#8220;Daily Kos&#8221; Moulitsas, Rachael Maddow, and Paul Krugman.</p></blockquote>
<p>Krugman?  I understand that it must really be annoying for conservatives to have a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bates_Clark_Medal" rel="nofollow">Clark</a> &#038; Nobel prize winner take them to the woodshed on a regular basis, but you are just going to have to get over it&#8230;</p>
<p>BTW if Chris Matthew is on the left, I am Santa Claus.</p>
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		<title>By: roro80</title>
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		<dc:creator>roro80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 02:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I thought the post was pretty right-on, but then again, I am unabashedly liberal.  It&#039;s kind of cute to talk about PETA and their blood throwing and Jeramiah Wright and his fiery sermons &quot;God Damn America&quot; and somehow equate that with...KILLING PEOPLE.  We can all talk about how terrible it is that Olbermann presents what is often his opinion as news, and how Rachel Maddow throws a lot of mockery at the right, and then somehow equate that with ... the outright lies and utterly transparent distain for women and people of color brought by those microphoned idiots on the right.  I mean, a lot of moderates don&#039;t like hearing the opinions of lefties any more than the righties, but let&#039;s not pretend there&#039;s an equivalency here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I thought the post was pretty right-on, but then again, I am unabashedly liberal.  It&#39;s kind of cute to talk about PETA and their blood throwing and Jeramiah Wright and his fiery sermons &#8220;God Damn America&#8221; and somehow equate that with&#8230;KILLING PEOPLE.  We can all talk about how terrible it is that Olbermann presents what is often his opinion as news, and how Rachel Maddow throws a lot of mockery at the right, and then somehow equate that with &#8230; the outright lies and utterly transparent distain for women and people of color brought by those microphoned idiots on the right.  I mean, a lot of moderates don&#39;t like hearing the opinions of lefties any more than the righties, but let&#39;s not pretend there&#39;s an equivalency here.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tidbits, I agree about Olbermann, especially on style. I sometimes enjoy him when I slip into angry liberal mode. I prefer Maddow for left-tilt news, or Thom Hartmann. But none of the lefty newsers have any power and certainly none could be characterized as representing a party. The poll that was covered yesterday, showing both Dems and Repubs see Limbaugh and Gingrich as the key spokesmen for the GOP is pretty sad though, for the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tidbits, I agree about Olbermann, especially on style. I sometimes enjoy him when I slip into angry liberal mode. I prefer Maddow for left-tilt news, or Thom Hartmann. But none of the lefty newsers have any power and certainly none could be characterized as representing a party. The poll that was covered yesterday, showing both Dems and Repubs see Limbaugh and Gingrich as the key spokesmen for the GOP is pretty sad though, for the party.</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey GD, just just a WTF point.  I actually watch Olberman (hence the WTF reference).  Well, to be completely truthful, I channel surf between Olberman and O&#039;Reilly for comedic relief from both sides of the spectrum.  Each is equally egocentric and self absorbed.  And, I would not rely on either for anything other than his opinion or spin on the facts.  O&#039;Reilly&#039;s &quot;no spin zone&quot; may be the greatest oxymoron in television history.  You see, by observing, and ridiculing, the blowhards from both sides, I can effectively remain a blowhard from the center.   And, yes I do believe that Olberman&#039;s refusal to allow dissenting views to be booked (though he will allow a person like Madcow with whom he disagrees generally to appear on a subject on which they agree) is every bit as offensive, or comedic, as O&#039;Reilly shouting down anyone who challenges his views.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, they&#039;re on in three minutes...gotta warm up the tube.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey GD, just just a WTF point.  I actually watch Olberman (hence the WTF reference).  Well, to be completely truthful, I channel surf between Olberman and O&#39;Reilly for comedic relief from both sides of the spectrum.  Each is equally egocentric and self absorbed.  And, I would not rely on either for anything other than his opinion or spin on the facts.  O&#39;Reilly&#39;s &#8220;no spin zone&#8221; may be the greatest oxymoron in television history.  You see, by observing, and ridiculing, the blowhards from both sides, I can effectively remain a blowhard from the center.   And, yes I do believe that Olberman&#39;s refusal to allow dissenting views to be booked (though he will allow a person like Madcow with whom he disagrees generally to appear on a subject on which they agree) is every bit as offensive, or comedic, as O&#39;Reilly shouting down anyone who challenges his views.</p>
<p>Well, they&#39;re on in three minutes&#8230;gotta warm up the tube.</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
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		<dc:creator>jchem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CO, I&#039;m with you regarding the bored aspect. I can&#039;t even remember how many times I&#039;ve commented about the 4 Rush Limbaugh posts per day, or the 3 Cheney cartoons, or the articles that constantly tell us how evil and backward those filthy Repubs are. I&#039;ve never defended those clowns because most of the time, I think its a reasonable assessment. But day in and day out, post after post...and on and on and on it keeps going. But I keep coming back because well, it&#039;s been part of my routine for a couple years now and I haven&#039;t found anywhere else that isn&#039;t consistently trolled by nuts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Per this post, I don&#039;t know anyone in their right mind who believes hate is monopolized on one end of the spectrum. We&#039;ve had this discussion before. And you know what? It doesn&#039;t matter what side of the political aisle it comes from. Hate, rage, bigotry, whatever you want to call it, is what it is. It isn&#039;t some sort of stupid political football game to play by saying &quot;Look how innocent our side is and how evil their side is&quot;. If I am ever facing down the barrel of a gun, the last thing I&#039;m going to be concerned about is what the person&#039;s party affiliation is.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The next time any of my colleagues in California have to do any kind of scientific research on animals Anastasia, I will be sure to point them in your direction to ask for advice. Those eco groups aren&#039;t hateful...no they are just &quot;gently mocking&quot; scientists by tossing pipe bombs in their house. Perhaps you can write a letter to those groups &quot;formally censoring them&quot; and ask them to be nicer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CO, I&#39;m with you regarding the bored aspect. I can&#39;t even remember how many times I&#39;ve commented about the 4 Rush Limbaugh posts per day, or the 3 Cheney cartoons, or the articles that constantly tell us how evil and backward those filthy Repubs are. I&#39;ve never defended those clowns because most of the time, I think its a reasonable assessment. But day in and day out, post after post&#8230;and on and on and on it keeps going. But I keep coming back because well, it&#39;s been part of my routine for a couple years now and I haven&#39;t found anywhere else that isn&#39;t consistently trolled by nuts.</p>
<p>Per this post, I don&#39;t know anyone in their right mind who believes hate is monopolized on one end of the spectrum. We&#39;ve had this discussion before. And you know what? It doesn&#39;t matter what side of the political aisle it comes from. Hate, rage, bigotry, whatever you want to call it, is what it is. It isn&#39;t some sort of stupid political football game to play by saying &#8220;Look how innocent our side is and how evil their side is&#8221;. If I am ever facing down the barrel of a gun, the last thing I&#39;m going to be concerned about is what the person&#39;s party affiliation is.</p>
<p>The next time any of my colleagues in California have to do any kind of scientific research on animals Anastasia, I will be sure to point them in your direction to ask for advice. Those eco groups aren&#39;t hateful&#8230;no they are just &#8220;gently mocking&#8221; scientists by tossing pipe bombs in their house. Perhaps you can write a letter to those groups &#8220;formally censoring them&#8221; and ask them to be nicer.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/35105/hate-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-188021</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No sale on the Keith Olbermann and Dana Milbank flap. Here&#039;s the detail on that, as reported.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dana Milbank, reporting and Obama is Berlin tour, quoted Obama out of context, in a way that made him appear arrogant:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;This is the moment . . . that the world is waiting for,&quot; adding: &quot;I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;The actual quote was laced with considerable humility:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign -- that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It&#039;s about America. I have just become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Apparently it is true that Olbermann did not intend to invite Milbank back, after he repeat refused to correct the out of context quote. As it turns out, Milbank had excepted an offer from CNN, and hence naturally, he no longer appears on MSNBC.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can&#039;t believe you are trying to characterize this as in any way equivalent to Republican legislators groveling to Limbaugh or O&#039;Reilly for expressing the opinion that the commentators had crossed the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No sale on the Keith Olbermann and Dana Milbank flap. Here&#39;s the detail on that, as reported.</p>
<p>Dana Milbank, reporting and Obama is Berlin tour, quoted Obama out of context, in a way that made him appear arrogant:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;This is the moment . . . that the world is waiting for,&#8221; adding: &#8220;I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The actual quote was laced with considerable humility:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign &#8212; that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It&#39;s about America. I have just become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Apparently it is true that Olbermann did not intend to invite Milbank back, after he repeat refused to correct the out of context quote. As it turns out, Milbank had excepted an offer from CNN, and hence naturally, he no longer appears on MSNBC.</p>
<p>I can&#39;t believe you are trying to characterize this as in any way equivalent to Republican legislators groveling to Limbaugh or O&#39;Reilly for expressing the opinion that the commentators had crossed the line.</p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/35105/hate-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-188017</link>
		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tidbits/jwest--I&#039;m to the point of actually being more bored than incensed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll say this much for the lefties........they never get tired of saying the same thing.....over and over again.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When did Limbaugh first say his &quot;I hope Obama (policies) fail?.......mid-January?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For the 5 months since that, all the left can say is &quot;the Republican Party is fast becoming extinct&quot; or some derivation of that theme. And everything that has happened in the world since to them is now supposedly a reaffirmation of that conclusion. They&#039;re actually not even original since sds has been saying that for over a year now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But, if that was happening, wouldn&#039;t the voter ID and Dem/Rep preference polls change by more than their perpetual one, two, three-point fluctuations over the same last 5 months?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If that was happening, why are Rep candidates in NY, NJ and VA polling even, if not better, than Dem candidates?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why is Obama moderating his campaign positions now more rightward than leftward in the face of all of this crumbling opposition?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, we get treated to another cover version of the same song........unless Republicans behave like Dems say they ought to, all the millions of NeoNazi/Truther/anti-abortion/Bush-hating/atheistic-religiouszealots will come out of the woodwork and reek havoc on the world.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ok, let&#039;s see where this left-wing prediction of doom goes in the next five months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tidbits/jwest&#8211;I&#39;m to the point of actually being more bored than incensed.</p>
<p>I&#39;ll say this much for the lefties&#8230;&#8230;..they never get tired of saying the same thing&#8230;..over and over again.</p>
<p>When did Limbaugh first say his &#8220;I hope Obama (policies) fail?&#8230;&#8230;.mid-January?</p>
<p>For the 5 months since that, all the left can say is &#8220;the Republican Party is fast becoming extinct&#8221; or some derivation of that theme. And everything that has happened in the world since to them is now supposedly a reaffirmation of that conclusion. They&#39;re actually not even original since sds has been saying that for over a year now.</p>
<p>But, if that was happening, wouldn&#39;t the voter ID and Dem/Rep preference polls change by more than their perpetual one, two, three-point fluctuations over the same last 5 months?</p>
<p>If that was happening, why are Rep candidates in NY, NJ and VA polling even, if not better, than Dem candidates?</p>
<p>Why is Obama moderating his campaign positions now more rightward than leftward in the face of all of this crumbling opposition?</p>
<p>Now, we get treated to another cover version of the same song&#8230;&#8230;..unless Republicans behave like Dems say they ought to, all the millions of NeoNazi/Truther/anti-abortion/Bush-hating/atheistic-religiouszealots will come out of the woodwork and reek havoc on the world.</p>
<p>Ok, let&#39;s see where this left-wing prediction of doom goes in the next five months.</p>
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		<title>By: tidbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GD - I respect your opinion, and it may be true that no Democratic &quot;politician&quot; has ever had to apologize to Olberman, but ask Dana Milbank what it&#039;s like to be permanently banned from the show for daring to disagree with Keith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GD &#8211; I respect your opinion, and it may be true that no Democratic &#8220;politician&#8221; has ever had to apologize to Olberman, but ask Dana Milbank what it&#39;s like to be permanently banned from the show for daring to disagree with Keith.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/35105/hate-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-188010</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GD (got the initials right THIS time!) -&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;Democratic politicians do not go to left-leaning journalists, hat in hand, to beg forgiveness for criticizing them.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That is a very valid point. I do not consider Rush a &#039;leader&#039; in the party, not necessarily because he has never held elective office, and not because he is in the end just a clown prince, but simply because at this moment in time, there is NO National Republican leader that even 50% of the party would rally around.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BTW, speaking of his role as a clown prince, while Republicans do elect actors to office, we do not elect comedians. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GD (got the initials right THIS time!) -</p>
<p><i>Democratic politicians do not go to left-leaning journalists, hat in hand, to beg forgiveness for criticizing them.</i></p>
<p>That is a very valid point. I do not consider Rush a &#39;leader&#39; in the party, not necessarily because he has never held elective office, and not because he is in the end just a clown prince, but simply because at this moment in time, there is NO National Republican leader that even 50% of the party would rally around.</p>
<p>BTW, speaking of his role as a clown prince, while Republicans do elect actors to office, we do not elect comedians. <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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