Anyone who reads history beyond your comic book level understands a shift in conservative and liberal thought is not neatly tucked into one party or another. It's true the south during the civil war was “democrat”. They believed in states rights, and decentralized form of central government, and slavery. Even you can see that the first two characteristics are your sides hawking points today. You know, states rights to succeed like Texas.

The carpet baggers that descended upon the south to collect power from that broken region were not the Republicans of Lincoln. Likewise, the dixiecrats of George Wallace and Nixon's southern strategy had little to do with any party. They were merely conservatives trying to maintain the status quo of white superiority.

Worry about your own education. I think you got jypped.

Try reading a book without so many pictures next time.

You’re a product of the public school system, right?

Honestly, this crazy notion that Republicans have been the ones supporting slavery and stopping civil rights is so wrong it’s funny.

Seek the counsel of your leftist brethren to set you straight. You won’t believe it if I give you the facts.

It’s far better to shed your ignorance on this subject here, in anonymity rather than at some dinner party. Blurting out something about how Republicans supported slavery or how Democrats were fighting for civil rights in the ‘50s would bring the wine shooting through the noses of those around you.

Come on folks, jump in here and help HemmD.

The term carpetbaggers was used to describe the white northern Republican politicians who came South, arriving with their travel carpetbags. Southerners considered them ready to loot and plunder the defeated South.[1] Although the term is still an insult in common usage, in histories and reference works it is now used without derogatory intent.

Thanks for playing

What is the word for someone who has dyslexia in the subject of history.

It was Republicans who fought slavery. George Wallace, Bull Conner, Robert Byrd all Democrat racists.

Here’s the vote for abolishing the Jim Crow laws:

[edit] By party
The original House version:[9]
• Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
• Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
The Senate version:[9]
• Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
• Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[9]
• Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
• Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)
Looks like 80% of my guys were for ending discrimination.

But let’s not fight about the past. Right now, you believe that the Democrat party is making the lives of inner-city kids better – correct?

And just for fun, do you think conservatives want to return blacks to slavery?

Why yes they are. Thanks for asking.

Speaking of ignoring points, how about the main point I made.

Can you see the harm the policies of the left have caused? Are poor, black inner-city kids better off because of liberals or worse off?

Would that be the same right that took us to Iraq and still has us there without a clear plan or withdrawal strategy?
And wouldn't the path of least resistance be to drop bombs and take prisoners rather than solve the root cause of religious extremism in the first place? Damn those whacky liberals for trying to make the world a better place.

jwest — your mic is fully on, and the jokes are hi-LAR-ious. Conservative founding fathers — ha! — that's just funny.

It’s just that I have a life and sometimes it takes precedent over this blog.

Just stopped back to say there was a long discussion about why the mainstream media didn’t mention the soldier’s killing, but had story after story on the abortionist.

If you want to know what will be on the news tonight, read jwest during the day.

I was wondering whether this thing was on.”

I believe you may have turned off your mic.
I guess discretion is the better part of valor.

ignore objective definitions.

sprinkle in a few ad hominid attacks

stir with generalized anger, and ta da, another right wing wing nut response.

keep going, you prove your lack of intellectual discipline better than I ever could.

Come on, you really don’t believe this whole line……do you?

Conservatives are locked in tradition and the past, prefer the dark instead of the light, trying to understand why people want to drive fancy new cars instead of using a horse and cart.

Oh, and the constitution was written by a bevy of flaming liberals, acting out each Article of the Constitution with an interpretive dance, standing up to the British Crown after taking a few polls and talking to focus groups.

No, you’re too smart for that.

Remember my original point. Leftist are good people who have a mental defect. They simply can’t understand what their well-meaning help is doing to destroy people’s lives.

Most are incapable of seeing it. Some refuse to admit it.

Let’s Hope they Change.

You really crack yourself up.

5 definitions of conservative taken from that liberal biased web:

# Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.

# The inclination, especially in politics, to maintain the existing or traditional order.
# A political philosophy or attitude emphasizing respect for traditional institutions, distrust of government activism, and opposition to sudden change in the established order.

# Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.

# disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

So tell me another joke about how the radical founding fathers conserved, preserved, or maintained the status quo of anything by revolting against their sovereign ruler and creating a brand new kind of government dedicated to equality for all men. Their act was one of radical change, not a feature of the right by any definition.

You do seem to know a lot about mushrooms though.

Thanks.

(tapping his microphone)

I was wondering whether this thing was on.

jwest, lol, but stop it already, my coffee is all over my desk now!

You can’t really be saying the framers of the Constitution were a pack a raving leftists, can you?

The group of people who pledged their lives, property, honor and fortunes to establish a republic based on individual responsibility, no onerous taxes, states rights, equality of opportunity (not outcome) and freedom of speech would recoil at the socialistic near-monarchy the left wishes to foist upon us.

Hemmy, buddy, you’re either having a bad reaction to some mushrooms or your history teacher played a cruel joke on you.

But enough of that. My comment was concerning present-day progressivism and the terrible harm the left’s misguided policies have done to countless people. I know you have to resist this truth with every fiber of your being, because if you admit it, how could you ever live with yourself, knowing you had been party to the suffering of millions.

Hang you head in shame, liberal. You are the problem.

I don’t recall anyone, including me, trying to condone or defend or minimize Tiller’s death.

Well, jwest, when you make comparisons like this, “These were only soldiers, not nearly as important as a partial birth abortionist,” you DO kind of minimize the value and importance of Tiller's life.

Beautiful, Hemm.

“As to the “left bad, right good” attitude, I plead guilty. I actually do view leftists as a negative on humanity. Not wanting to be misunderstood, I am not saying leftists are evil, they are for the most part well meaning, but their minds are not able to process information to realize the effects of their actions. It’s as if the intentions negate any responsibility for the results. Call it criminal naivety.”

You need to tighten skull cap, cause you don't know enough to know what you believe.

So the left is bad; you mean like those radicals who wrote such conservative blasphemy as “All men are created equal” At the time, the world was governed by Kings who had divine right to treat subjects any way they saw fit. If the left is bad, then so is that document.

“The basic difference between the right and the left is that the right envisions an outcome and maps a course to get there, sometimes against the grain of popular opinion or at the expense of immediate “compassion”, while the left ignores the ultimate goal to take the most popular path of least resistance.”

So these bad leftists ignore the ultimate goal; you mean like creating a constitution with checks and balances that has stood the test of time. Not bad for a bunch of leftists who can't envision a goal.

“Leftists think of themselves as more “creative” than others. Perhaps this is true. I couldn’t choreograph an interpretive dance explaining the menstrual cycles of unicorns to save my life. But if there is this mental asset, could there just as likely be a mental deficit in the logic function needed to see the causal results of actions?”

You're right, those leftists were creative; they even envisioned that people like you could come to believe that redical ideas like equality and rule of law were conservative's own. If you wish to rail against ignorance, physician heal thyself. Learn where all your radical beliefs come from.

I know it’s not your fault that when you read what I write it gets twisted around to mean I support Tiller’s murderer and blame Obama for the two soldiers being shot. That’s just the way your mind works. I understand.

You want to believe Tiller’s killer is just another mainstream conservative following our leader, Randall Terry. That’s just the way your synapses fire. It’s OK.

Brace yourself. I have ties to Michigan too.