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		<title>By: The Obama Whitehouse &#187; Nancy Pelosoi Has GOT TO GO!</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Obama Whitehouse &#187; Nancy Pelosoi Has GOT TO GO!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/32522/cnn-poll-pelosi-as-unpopular-as-gingrich/comment-page-1/#comment-185028</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 21:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, shannonlee, let me guide you through this. First, I&#039;m no big Pelosi fan, and I&#039;m not sure (none of us are) of all the facts here. Here&#039;s what we do know. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The CIA said they briefed Congress &quot;repeatedly.&quot; OK, who in Congress, and how repeatedly? With respect to another legislator, Bob Graham, they said they briefed him four times and stated the dates. Oops. Graham is a meticulous notetaker, and his notes are in the University of Florida library. His notes show that there were no briefings on three of the four dates on which the CIA claims to have briefed him. The CIA now admits they were wrong, saying &quot;Graham is correct.&quot; That is an unequivocal admission that the CIA&#039;s assertions with respect to briefing Bob Graham were wrong. Whether they were lies or just shabby record keeping on their part, the fact is that the CIA was wrong and has admitted as much.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While the legislators were forbidden to take notes during the briefings, CIA was allowed to. However, many of the &quot;Notes&quot; being used now by the CIA to document their briefings of Congress were not taken at the time of the briefings. They were compiled years later. The CIA not only does not vouch for the accuracy of their notes, they have twice appended a very lawyerly disclaimer to their notes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;This information, however, is drawn from the past files of the CIA and represents [memorandums for the record] completed at the time and notes that summarized the best recollections of those individuals. In the end, you and the Committee will have to determine whether this information is an accurate summary of what actually happened.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, just as a reminder, *one week* after the CIA claims it told Pelosi about waterboarding (Graham backs her claim that it was never mentioned), the CIA gave their NIE claiming certainty about WMD. Again, whether the CIA was lying or spectacularly incompetent, they were WRONG.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, let me toss the incredulous question back to you. How could anyone in their right mind defend the accuracy of statements by the CIA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, shannonlee, let me guide you through this. First, I&#39;m no big Pelosi fan, and I&#39;m not sure (none of us are) of all the facts here. Here&#39;s what we do know. </p>
<p>The CIA said they briefed Congress &#8220;repeatedly.&#8221; OK, who in Congress, and how repeatedly? With respect to another legislator, Bob Graham, they said they briefed him four times and stated the dates. Oops. Graham is a meticulous notetaker, and his notes are in the University of Florida library. His notes show that there were no briefings on three of the four dates on which the CIA claims to have briefed him. The CIA now admits they were wrong, saying &#8220;Graham is correct.&#8221; That is an unequivocal admission that the CIA&#39;s assertions with respect to briefing Bob Graham were wrong. Whether they were lies or just shabby record keeping on their part, the fact is that the CIA was wrong and has admitted as much.</p>
<p>While the legislators were forbidden to take notes during the briefings, CIA was allowed to. However, many of the &#8220;Notes&#8221; being used now by the CIA to document their briefings of Congress were not taken at the time of the briefings. They were compiled years later. The CIA not only does not vouch for the accuracy of their notes, they have twice appended a very lawyerly disclaimer to their notes.</p>
<p>&#8220;This information, however, is drawn from the past files of the CIA and represents [memorandums for the record] completed at the time and notes that summarized the best recollections of those individuals. In the end, you and the Committee will have to determine whether this information is an accurate summary of what actually happened.&#8221;</p>
<p>Finally, just as a reminder, *one week* after the CIA claims it told Pelosi about waterboarding (Graham backs her claim that it was never mentioned), the CIA gave their NIE claiming certainty about WMD. Again, whether the CIA was lying or spectacularly incompetent, they were WRONG.</p>
<p>Now, let me toss the incredulous question back to you. How could anyone in their right mind defend the accuracy of statements by the CIA?</p>
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		<title>By: jchem</title>
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		<dc:creator>jchem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 18:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it isn&#039;t as exciting as Pelosi&#039;s troubles, but it appears that Harry Reid is having some issues of his own, too:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lvrj.com/news/45387987.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.lvrj.com/news/45387987.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it isn&#39;t as exciting as Pelosi&#39;s troubles, but it appears that Harry Reid is having some issues of his own, too:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lvrj.com/news/45387987.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lvrj.com/news/45387987.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: shannonlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>shannonlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 18:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how anyone in their right mind can defend Pelosi on this....this feels a lot like how conservatives were defending Bush for the past 8 years.  Her behavior alone is enough to show anyone that she is being dishonest.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is nice to see that both sides are just as apt to wear blinders when it comes to their ideological allies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t see how anyone in their right mind can defend Pelosi on this&#8230;.this feels a lot like how conservatives were defending Bush for the past 8 years.  Her behavior alone is enough to show anyone that she is being dishonest.</p>
<p>It is nice to see that both sides are just as apt to wear blinders when it comes to their ideological allies.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 17:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pelosi says investigate, declassify. The CIA says no, that would be bad. Who appears afraid of the truth here, her or them? Time will tell, but the GOP should pick its battles carefully. Pissing her off and making it impossible for Obama to move on with his other priorities is way more likely to hurt the GOP than the Dems. If Obama was behaving the way BushCheneyCo did, the torture photos would be splashed all over the media nonstop and they&#039;d be defining the GOP as unamerican torture sadists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelosi says investigate, declassify. The CIA says no, that would be bad. Who appears afraid of the truth here, her or them? Time will tell, but the GOP should pick its battles carefully. Pissing her off and making it impossible for Obama to move on with his other priorities is way more likely to hurt the GOP than the Dems. If Obama was behaving the way BushCheneyCo did, the torture photos would be splashed all over the media nonstop and they&#39;d be defining the GOP as unamerican torture sadists.</p>
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		<title>By: Silhouette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silhouette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 13:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very easy to swallow what she&#039;s saying if you consider that the Cheney administration are like mobsters and she is like a politician caught in the squeeze between their nefarious agenda and trying to keep the public happy.  When seen like this, Pelosi et al&#039;s position can be seen as an uneviable one.  Will we let her take the political fall for the real mafiosos?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I say, &quot;just say no&quot;.  And the MSM needs to bring its focus back on the real story.  Faux news almost succeeded this time.  We&#039;ll hear more from Pelosi and others in Congress as the prosecution of Cheneyco continues.  For now, give her the benefit of the doubt..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s very easy to swallow what she&#39;s saying if you consider that the Cheney administration are like mobsters and she is like a politician caught in the squeeze between their nefarious agenda and trying to keep the public happy.  When seen like this, Pelosi et al&#39;s position can be seen as an uneviable one.  Will we let her take the political fall for the real mafiosos?</p>
<p>I say, &#8220;just say no&#8221;.  And the MSM needs to bring its focus back on the real story.  Faux news almost succeeded this time.  We&#39;ll hear more from Pelosi and others in Congress as the prosecution of Cheneyco continues.  For now, give her the benefit of the doubt..</p>
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		<title>By: PunditKix</title>
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		<dc:creator>PunditKix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 07:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: daveinboca</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveinboca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 05:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My ADD&#039;s Singer can be dismissed for projecting his own intense partisanship onto Rasmussen, and concluding that somehow &quot;&lt;i&gt;As for those not affiliated with either major political party, 38% say the CIA may have misled the current House speaker, but 48% say it’s not likely....&lt;/i&gt;&quot; is somehow a rousing endorsement of Pelosi despite the evil machinations of &quot;this manufactured controversy.&quot;   Seems to the MSM which ordinarily serves as Obama&#039;s choir just cannot swallow the many different versions Pelosi has offered, in a fumbling incompetent manner with body language that screams out &quot;I don&#039;t know what I&#039;m talking about.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even the Obama-leaning CNN cadres have been unconvinced that Pelosi isn&#039;t BSing.   And the same percentage as in April, 58%, don&#039;t want to go on a McCarthyist witch hunt after alleged infractions in a war it now seems we have won, in the Iraq Theater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ADD&#39;s Singer can be dismissed for projecting his own intense partisanship onto Rasmussen, and concluding that somehow &#8220;<i>As for those not affiliated with either major political party, 38% say the CIA may have misled the current House speaker, but 48% say it’s not likely&#8230;.</i>&#8221; is somehow a rousing endorsement of Pelosi despite the evil machinations of &#8220;this manufactured controversy.&#8221;   Seems to the MSM which ordinarily serves as Obama&#39;s choir just cannot swallow the many different versions Pelosi has offered, in a fumbling incompetent manner with body language that screams out &#8220;I don&#39;t know what I&#39;m talking about.&#8221;</p>
<p>Even the Obama-leaning CNN cadres have been unconvinced that Pelosi isn&#39;t BSing.   And the same percentage as in April, 58%, don&#39;t want to go on a McCarthyist witch hunt after alleged infractions in a war it now seems we have won, in the Iraq Theater.</p>
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