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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 04:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AR The lack of &#039;conscription&#039; is my biggest problem with W&#039;s GWOT. If the GWOT is real, then we need a draft to fight this &#039;evil enemy&#039;. A true lottery would grab Liz Cheney or Pierce Bush to fight this &#039;existential threat&#039;, or maybe no tax cuts to fund the war instead of our Chinese credit card. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AR The lack of &#39;conscription&#39; is my biggest problem with W&#39;s GWOT. If the GWOT is real, then we need a draft to fight this &#39;evil enemy&#39;. A true lottery would grab Liz Cheney or Pierce Bush to fight this &#39;existential threat&#39;, or maybe no tax cuts to fund the war instead of our Chinese credit card. <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 04:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Austin, I should have explained further. &quot;Regimes in WWII  &lt;br&gt;conscripted, not just innocent young farm boys, dragging them off the  &lt;br&gt;plains at gunpoint, but also the clearly disordered.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was referring to regimes in Eastern Europe that literally  &lt;br&gt;conscripted, if one can call hauling young men off from their fields  &lt;br&gt;of wheat under absolute threat of death, &#039;conscription.&#039; I was  &lt;br&gt;thinking of the people of my own family. Our last refugee (from the  &lt;br&gt;work camps in WWII) elder died last week and I gave the eulogy... in  &lt;br&gt;part, about just that, how the innocent people in our families and  &lt;br&gt;many parts of Eu were murdered, maimed and destroyed by  &lt;br&gt;conscription... used by various regimes in WWII who thought of humans  &lt;br&gt;as fodder. There is much more to their stories yet to be told to  &lt;br&gt;those who still revere Churchill and FDR and Stalin. Much more.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Re Shaun&#039;s article, I think it still comes back to who is checking  &lt;br&gt;and balancing recruitment in the US. We&#039;ll have to inquire.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Austin, I should have explained further. &#8220;Regimes in WWII  <br />conscripted, not just innocent young farm boys, dragging them off the  <br />plains at gunpoint, but also the clearly disordered.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was referring to regimes in Eastern Europe that literally  <br />conscripted, if one can call hauling young men off from their fields  <br />of wheat under absolute threat of death, &#39;conscription.&#39; I was  <br />thinking of the people of my own family. Our last refugee (from the  <br />work camps in WWII) elder died last week and I gave the eulogy&#8230; in  <br />part, about just that, how the innocent people in our families and  <br />many parts of Eu were murdered, maimed and destroyed by  <br />conscription&#8230; used by various regimes in WWII who thought of humans  <br />as fodder. There is much more to their stories yet to be told to  <br />those who still revere Churchill and FDR and Stalin. Much more.</p>
<p>Re Shaun&#39;s article, I think it still comes back to who is checking  <br />and balancing recruitment in the US. We&#39;ll have to inquire.</p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 01:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Austin, I should have explained further. &quot;Regimes in WWII conscripted, not just innocent young farm boys, dragging them off the plains at gunpoint, but also the clearly disordered.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was referring to regimes in Eastern Europe that literally conscripted, if one can call hauling young men off from their fields of wheat under absolute threat of death,  &#039;conscription.&#039; I was thinking of the people of my own family. Our last refugee (from the work camps in WWII) elder died last week and I gave the eulogy... in part, about just that, how the innocent people in our families and many parts of Eu were murdered, maimed and destroyed by conscription... used by various regimes in WWII who thought of humans as fodder. There is much more to their stories yet to be told to those who still revere Churchill and FDR and Stalin. Much more. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Re Shaun&#039;s article, I think it still comes back to who is checking and balancing recruitment in the US. We&#039;ll have to inquire.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Austin, I should have explained further. &#8220;Regimes in WWII conscripted, not just innocent young farm boys, dragging them off the plains at gunpoint, but also the clearly disordered.&#8221; </p>
<p>I was referring to regimes in Eastern Europe that literally conscripted, if one can call hauling young men off from their fields of wheat under absolute threat of death,  &#39;conscription.&#39; I was thinking of the people of my own family. Our last refugee (from the work camps in WWII) elder died last week and I gave the eulogy&#8230; in part, about just that, how the innocent people in our families and many parts of Eu were murdered, maimed and destroyed by conscription&#8230; used by various regimes in WWII who thought of humans as fodder. There is much more to their stories yet to be told to those who still revere Churchill and FDR and Stalin. Much more. </p>
<p>Re Shaun&#39;s article, I think it still comes back to who is checking and balancing recruitment in the US. We&#39;ll have to inquire.</p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: kathykattenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathykattenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 23:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo, Shaun. Well done? No. Superbly done. Thank you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If I believed in a hell other than the one we humans create here on earth, I would say that the fires of hell could not burn hot enough for the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Shaun. Well done? No. Superbly done. Thank you.</p>
<p>If I believed in a hell other than the one we humans create here on earth, I would say that the fires of hell could not burn hot enough for the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 21:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>arch - &#039;conscription&#039;? Hmmm. I seem to remember us helping win WWII with &#039;draftees&#039;, i.e., conscripts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>arch &#8211; &#39;conscription&#39;? Hmmm. I seem to remember us helping win WWII with &#39;draftees&#39;, i.e., conscripts.</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 17:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear RemNov: I remember several months back seeing pix of Afghanistan deployed US soldiers who were holding gun barrels in their own mouths and miming for the cameras, and thinking about the code of honor and wondering about impulsiveness overwhelming the code that is the main seam holding a unit together. That cant bode well for the unit, nor for any mission. Conscription. Your word is accurate. That reveals a good deal also. Regimes in WWII conscripted, not just innocent young farm boys, dragging them off the plains at gunpoint, but also the clearly disordered. Certain generals had special places and missions for the disordered. It is a sick science, RemNov. Sick to the core. To commandeer ill others to do monstrous things that one does not want to dirty one&#039;s own hands doing, to side step destroying one&#039;s own soul in order to destroy someone else&#039;s soul... and those they predate upon... There are clinical words to describe such a person who unleashes the mentally unstable to murder/ cause mayhem. There are legal words. And there are religious words too.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear RemNov: I remember several months back seeing pix of Afghanistan deployed US soldiers who were holding gun barrels in their own mouths and miming for the cameras, and thinking about the code of honor and wondering about impulsiveness overwhelming the code that is the main seam holding a unit together. That cant bode well for the unit, nor for any mission. Conscription. Your word is accurate. That reveals a good deal also. Regimes in WWII conscripted, not just innocent young farm boys, dragging them off the plains at gunpoint, but also the clearly disordered. Certain generals had special places and missions for the disordered. It is a sick science, RemNov. Sick to the core. To commandeer ill others to do monstrous things that one does not want to dirty one&#39;s own hands doing, to side step destroying one&#39;s own soul in order to destroy someone else&#39;s soul&#8230; and those they predate upon&#8230; There are clinical words to describe such a person who unleashes the mentally unstable to murder/ cause mayhem. There are legal words. And there are religious words too.</p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 17:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Rudi, a person with true autism? Depending on what degree, but armed? There are almost no words. This man could never have made it through basic training, a DI would have triggered a horrible event in this young man. Maybe it&#039;s time to pay recruiters by the hour not by the human beings enlisted, and not by promotions. CHecks and balances. I wonder how they are applied in the recruitment systems. I&#039;ll try to find out for us.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Rudi, a person with true autism? Depending on what degree, but armed? There are almost no words. This man could never have made it through basic training, a DI would have triggered a horrible event in this young man. Maybe it&#39;s time to pay recruiters by the hour not by the human beings enlisted, and not by promotions. CHecks and balances. I wonder how they are applied in the recruitment systems. I&#39;ll try to find out for us.</p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: RemNov</title>
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		<dc:creator>RemNov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was not recruiting so much as conscription. Adding car thieves, burglars and non violent criminals into the mix for the sake of &quot;fungible&quot; numbers has weakened our military somewhat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was not recruiting so much as conscription. Adding car thieves, burglars and non violent criminals into the mix for the sake of &#8220;fungible&#8221; numbers has weakened our military somewhat.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 14:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. E I wonder if the pre-enlistment mental health eval was scrubbed to add another body to the GWOT effort.&lt;br&gt;They recriut an autistic recruit:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://stanford.wellsphere.com/autism-autism-spectrum-article/army-boots-autistic-recruit/489481&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://stanford.wellsphere.com/autism-autism-sp...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Army boots autistic recruit&lt;br&gt;Posted Nov 10 08 4:52pm&lt;br&gt;CBS News reports that the US Army has released recruit Jared Guinther from his enlistment contract. The reason: Guinther is autistic. According to his mother, who phoned the recruiter to complain, the 18 year old plays with buttons and is afraid of the sounds of lawn mowers and toilets.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot; Guinther started talking about joining the military after a recruiter stopped him and offered him a $4,000 signing bonus and $67,000 for college, his parents say. His parents said he didn&#039;t know there was a war in Iraq until last fall, shortly after he spoke with a recruiter, and asked them about it.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I admit, I am of two minds on this one. One less person going to war, attention to recruiting policies that border on coercion, I&#039;m all for that. The problem is in statements like this one:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;To place someone in his condition in a combat role would create a wholly inappropriate and unnecessary risk of harm – not only to him, but all other members of his unit who would have to rely on him,&quot; Blumenauer wrote in his letter to the Pentagon.&quot; (emphasis added)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The implication that a person is unfit for service or for any work solely due to being autistic is troublesome at the least. Yes, I believe that this particular man, if he is afraid of lawn mowers, would not do well in the combat job he enlisted for. He might do well in another capacity; the army has all sorts of jobs. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or 41 year old grandmothers:&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Army accepting older recruits&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By Susanne M. Schafer, Associated Press&lt;br&gt;FORT JACKSON, S.C.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;— Margie Black had wanted to enter the military as a teenager, but having her first child at 19 put off her ambitions.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So when she learned the Army raised its enlistment age, Black, now a 41-year-old grandmother from West Columbia, Texas, didn&#039;t hesitate to join. The decision took &quot;about 30 seconds,&quot; she said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Friday, Pvt. Black worked on her marksmanship skills here, while her 21-year-old daughter was at Army basic training at Fort Leonard Wood, Mo.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. E I wonder if the pre-enlistment mental health eval was scrubbed to add another body to the GWOT effort.<br />They recriut an autistic recruit:<br /><a href="http://stanford.wellsphere.com/autism-autism-spectrum-article/army-boots-autistic-recruit/489481" rel="nofollow">http://stanford.wellsphere.com/autism-autism-sp&#8230;</a><br />
<blockquote>Army boots autistic recruit<br />Posted Nov 10 08 4:52pm<br />CBS News reports that the US Army has released recruit Jared Guinther from his enlistment contract. The reason: Guinther is autistic. According to his mother, who phoned the recruiter to complain, the 18 year old plays with buttons and is afraid of the sounds of lawn mowers and toilets.</p>
<p>&#8221; Guinther started talking about joining the military after a recruiter stopped him and offered him a $4,000 signing bonus and $67,000 for college, his parents say. His parents said he didn&#39;t know there was a war in Iraq until last fall, shortly after he spoke with a recruiter, and asked them about it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I admit, I am of two minds on this one. One less person going to war, attention to recruiting policies that border on coercion, I&#39;m all for that. The problem is in statements like this one:</p>
<p>&#8220;To place someone in his condition in a combat role would create a wholly inappropriate and unnecessary risk of harm – not only to him, but all other members of his unit who would have to rely on him,&#8221; Blumenauer wrote in his letter to the Pentagon.&#8221; (emphasis added)</p>
<p>The implication that a person is unfit for service or for any work solely due to being autistic is troublesome at the least. Yes, I believe that this particular man, if he is afraid of lawn mowers, would not do well in the combat job he enlisted for. He might do well in another capacity; the army has all sorts of jobs. </p></blockquote>
<p>Or 41 year old grandmothers:<br />
<blockquote>Army accepting older recruits</p>
<p>By Susanne M. Schafer, Associated Press<br />FORT JACKSON, S.C.</p>
<p>— Margie Black had wanted to enter the military as a teenager, but having her first child at 19 put off her ambitions.</p>
<p>So when she learned the Army raised its enlistment age, Black, now a 41-year-old grandmother from West Columbia, Texas, didn&#39;t hesitate to join. The decision took &#8220;about 30 seconds,&#8221; she said.</p>
<p>On Friday, Pvt. Black worked on her marksmanship skills here, while her 21-year-old daughter was at Army basic training at Fort Leonard Wood, Mo.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: archangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 09:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May this family rest in perfect peace, Shaun. I just sit here at 3.a.m. after reading your take. And sit here seeing it all play out in mind cinema with sound turned off for now, for regarding this massacre, I think nearly any human cannot bear both pictures and sound. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The most paradoxical and difficult to absorb without just writing it all off with a &#039;Kill him, a waste of humanity,&#039; is that likely both prosecutor and defense arguing regarding sentence, are both telling the truth. Mr Green, pitiable... and the maker of monstrous acts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ever since you began writing on this subject quite some time ago, though we have no access to his pre-enlistment mental health eval, I have wondered what the GI shrink could have seen --or not seen-- in okaying this man for enlistment at all, let alone deployment. &lt;br&gt;dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May this family rest in perfect peace, Shaun. I just sit here at 3.a.m. after reading your take. And sit here seeing it all play out in mind cinema with sound turned off for now, for regarding this massacre, I think nearly any human cannot bear both pictures and sound. </p>
<p>The most paradoxical and difficult to absorb without just writing it all off with a &#39;Kill him, a waste of humanity,&#39; is that likely both prosecutor and defense arguing regarding sentence, are both telling the truth. Mr Green, pitiable&#8230; and the maker of monstrous acts.</p>
<p>Ever since you began writing on this subject quite some time ago, though we have no access to his pre-enlistment mental health eval, I have wondered what the GI shrink could have seen &#8211;or not seen&#8211; in okaying this man for enlistment at all, let alone deployment. <br />dr.e</p>
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