Comments on: Miss California and the Insanity of American Politics

By: DIPSONA

DIPSONA — Fri, 08 May 2009 10:50:15 +0000

A very good article on how the Judges in US behave.

By: FrequentPoster

FrequentPoster — Thu, 07 May 2009 04:16:12 +0000

Excuse me, but the young model-ette has joined the anti-gay Mormon front group, National Organization for Marriage. Not exactly a paragon-ette of tolerance and acceptance. Then the nearly naked pic is published, which she explains as a modeling shot taken when she was a teenager. Now, now!

Who's her sponsor? Is that an enhanced breast, at the age of 17? And how many "modeling" pictures feature a shampoo bottle tucked into the lower left-hand corner? I'm afraid that Carrie P. dug herself a bit deeper. And the website says they've got more pictures, so I'd say this story has some, er, legs.

By: Rudi

Rudi — Wed, 06 May 2009 17:30:16 +0000

The problem is not withvacous beauty queens and failed plumbers; it's with the politicians and pundits which use these lightweights to push their agenda without a serios or intellectual argument to validate their positions. If I want serious conservative thought I'll read Larison. Let's not mix American Idol Politics with reasoned thought. Bill Buckley laughs…

By: Mu111

Mu111 — Wed, 06 May 2009 16:38:42 +0000

this thread is useless without pictures…
I got the feeling that Perez Hilton was still smarting from the voter's decission on Prep 8, but this time he could do something about it and stick it to someone.

By: itinerant_interlocutor

itinerant_interlocutor — Wed, 06 May 2009 08:21:37 +0000

I believe that she was only 17 when she posed for the topless photos, which is obviously a problem, as she was not a legal adult. also, the terms of her contract stated that she needed to disclose whether she had ever posed nude or semi-nude for photos, and she failed to do so.

By: StockBoySF

StockBoySF — Wed, 06 May 2009 06:19:32 +0000

I wish people would leave her alone and relegate her to her proper place- as a beauty queen.

By: mlhradio

mlhradio — Wed, 06 May 2009 04:56:23 +0000

…because it is so much easier to talk about a wannabe beauty queen and her irrelevant views on a minor social topic, than it is to actually discuss the important, pressing issues that America faces today.

Now all we need is for some three-year-old little girl with blonde curls to go missing for a couple of days so that the media can hyperventilate and we can get distracted even more.

By: StockBoySF

StockBoySF — Wed, 06 May 2009 02:35:04 +0000

Jazz, that's pretty much what I said in response to a post by mikkel on a related subject a couple days ago. My comment (in part):

"I didn't comment on the original Ms. California flap because I was engaged in other things at the time. I saw it and thought, "big deal."
... "Personally I think this is the right answer (though I am confused how she can say in this land we can choose.... but then she goes on to say that "In my country.... I think [marriage] should be, between a man and a woman")."

"The way I read this she is validating the right for others to choose and she is personally saying that she is for marriage between a man and a woman. This meets my criteria of having respect for others' beliefs."

My position is that I don't care what you like or don't like as long as you allow me the same freedom. If you are a guy and don't believe in same-sex marriage or sex with another guy, then don't go to bed with another guy, or marry him. But also don't vote to limit my freedoms to choose. Don't mess with me and I won't mess with you.

So yes, Jazz, I agree with you that it does seem like we are living in Bizarro World now.

By: D. E.Rodriguez

D. E.Rodriguez — Wed, 06 May 2009 02:28:54 +0000

Let me just say that Carrie the Model and Joe the Plumber make a very eloquent, attractive, savvy, informed, persuasive, unprejudiced, open-minded, powerful, image-building couple for the Conservative cause.

By: T_Steel

T_Steel — Wed, 06 May 2009 01:37:49 +0000

Thank you Jazz. Thanks so much for your post. This damn outrage that comes from micro-parsing EVERYTHING someone says, with the added personal attacks for spice, is entirely too freakin' old, depressing, and tiring.

By: nahummer

nahummer — Wed, 06 May 2009 01:35:01 +0000

Tried my best to ignore the whole firestorm, easy enough from over here in Europe. But I did notice the same thing as mentioned in the article, that her response seemed to support same sex couples, at least choice. I do think that although most Americans don't ever travel outside their national borders, they do often cross state lines, therefore they do have the choice, wherever they live. Hilton was the wacko in my eyes and the liberals who jumped on her displayed all the intolerance I complain about when I see it fromm the right.

By: roro80

roro80 — Wed, 06 May 2009 00:29:57 +0000

Silhouette — Do you know anything about pageant rules? All contestants have to sign on to agree to what the judges decide, no questions. Contestants are given the names of all judges beforehand, and one of the things that is recommended is that the contestants do some research on the judges beforehand. Perez Hilton, while being a sleezy jerk in so many ways, for long before being a Miss USA judge, was fully within his rights as judge to decide that her answer wasn't up to snuff, for any reason.

By: roro80

roro80 — Wed, 06 May 2009 00:26:24 +0000

Huh??? Who thought "opposite marriage" meant same sex marriage? I dunno, that's not what anyone anywhere I've been has thought. Besides which, of course, unless you live in one of 4 states, you DON'T get to choose between same sex marriage and "opposite marriage". Kind of like Henry Ford's Model-T, ("you get to choose any color you want as long as that color is black") gay couples get the "choice" of not getting married, or getting married to someone they don't love. Of course, all this took on a fully different meaning, going beyond just standing up for what she believes, at the point when she decided to join the ranks as a lobbyist against gay marriage.

Don't care a lick about whether or not she posed nude, but she should probably stay away from the whole right-wing meme of "if gays get married they'll encroach on my religion because serving gay people in the course of my job is against Christian values". You know, unless she thinks having a job that requires booby shots are within Christian values.

By: Silhouette

Silhouette — Wed, 06 May 2009 00:22:12 +0000

I suggest we forget about the woman altogether and focus on the judge who “punished” her for one and only one reason: being opposed to his agenda.

This is what fascists do. The real brain-twister is how the liberal left embraces fascism without the blink of an eye as long as its an agenda they're after. Personally, I find the middle-ground way more comfy, and sane…