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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/30539/moderates-who-needs-em-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-182959</link>
		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 11:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shannonlee, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If moderates want less government than why do so-called moderates lik Megan McCain want to answer every problem or preceive problem with another government program.  If a politicians does not react to every problem with a goenrment problem, they are called selfish and cruel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shannonlee, </p>
<p>If moderates want less government than why do so-called moderates lik Megan McCain want to answer every problem or preceive problem with another government program.  If a politicians does not react to every problem with a goenrment problem, they are called selfish and cruel.</p>
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		<title>By: shannonlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>shannonlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 16:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD, you have it completely twisted.  Many moderates are fiscal conservatives and social liberals.  We wanted exactly the opposite of what the Bush Admin did......we want less government...period. Less spending and less telling us what we can and cannot do in our own bedrooms.  And lets not forget the wire tapping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD, you have it completely twisted.  Many moderates are fiscal conservatives and social liberals.  We wanted exactly the opposite of what the Bush Admin did&#8230;&#8230;we want less government&#8230;period. Less spending and less telling us what we can and cannot do in our own bedrooms.  And lets not forget the wire tapping.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 00:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conservatives are not interested in moderates because eight years of compassionate conservatism of the Bush Admnistraiton have been shown to be a total failure.  Instead of cutting spending, the Bush Administraiton and the non-conservative Republicans in Congress spent their time expanding government, filling the budget full of pork, creating new entitlements, and treating conservative for fools.  Then  the Bush Adminstraiton decided to spit in the face of conservatives by proposing an idiotic amnesty program that would raise taxes, increase the size of government, and make living conditions worse. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If moderates want some support from conservatives, they are going to have to demonstrrates that they are not just another idiot big government, big spending Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conservatives are not interested in moderates because eight years of compassionate conservatism of the Bush Admnistraiton have been shown to be a total failure.  Instead of cutting spending, the Bush Administraiton and the non-conservative Republicans in Congress spent their time expanding government, filling the budget full of pork, creating new entitlements, and treating conservative for fools.  Then  the Bush Adminstraiton decided to spit in the face of conservatives by proposing an idiotic amnesty program that would raise taxes, increase the size of government, and make living conditions worse. </p>
<p>If moderates want some support from conservatives, they are going to have to demonstrrates that they are not just another idiot big government, big spending Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 00:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DQ led with a Galbraith quote, and Rick&#039;s commentary brings another one to mind:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Faced with the choice between changing one&#039;s mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In otherwords, Rick (and those who think along similar lines) still don&#039;t seem to get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DQ led with a Galbraith quote, and Rick&#39;s commentary brings another one to mind:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Faced with the choice between changing one&#39;s mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>In otherwords, Rick (and those who think along similar lines) still don&#39;t seem to get it.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 00:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a perfect storm for today&#039;s GOP. The disharmony between social and fiscal conservatives is boiling over. Most fiscal conservatives aren&#039;t happy with the intolerance of the far right, but the social conservatives now insist on adherence to their moral interventionism. Social conservatives are not fully supportive of fiscal conservative&#039;s agenda, as seen in the rapidly growing &quot;creation care&quot; (environmentalism) movement, and calls for &quot;family-friendly&quot; legislation that management doesn&#039;t want. Meanwhile, the &quot;trickle down&quot; idea has crashed. It didn&#039;t trickle down, and the greed at the top hurt those struggling in the middle. The rhetoric coming from the Fox crowd is a turn off to the young, as is the religious puritanism. The GOP has demonized intellectuals and academics, and urban dwellers, and has been anti-science. And, they continue to drive away blacks, Hispanics and Asians, not to mention Muslims. It&#039;s a shrinking tent, folks, and there are strong arguments that unless the GOP changes course, they can&#039;t count on a cyclical swing back. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let&#039;s review. The GOP loses big among blacks and Hispanics, Jews, the young, academics, urban dwellers, union members, environmentalists, teachers and women. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t see much hope for the party unless it undergoes a serious rebranding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s a perfect storm for today&#39;s GOP. The disharmony between social and fiscal conservatives is boiling over. Most fiscal conservatives aren&#39;t happy with the intolerance of the far right, but the social conservatives now insist on adherence to their moral interventionism. Social conservatives are not fully supportive of fiscal conservative&#39;s agenda, as seen in the rapidly growing &#8220;creation care&#8221; (environmentalism) movement, and calls for &#8220;family-friendly&#8221; legislation that management doesn&#39;t want. Meanwhile, the &#8220;trickle down&#8221; idea has crashed. It didn&#39;t trickle down, and the greed at the top hurt those struggling in the middle. The rhetoric coming from the Fox crowd is a turn off to the young, as is the religious puritanism. The GOP has demonized intellectuals and academics, and urban dwellers, and has been anti-science. And, they continue to drive away blacks, Hispanics and Asians, not to mention Muslims. It&#39;s a shrinking tent, folks, and there are strong arguments that unless the GOP changes course, they can&#39;t count on a cyclical swing back. </p>
<p>Let&#39;s review. The GOP loses big among blacks and Hispanics, Jews, the young, academics, urban dwellers, union members, environmentalists, teachers and women. </p>
<p>I don&#39;t see much hope for the party unless it undergoes a serious rebranding.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Beasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Beasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick&lt;br&gt;You fail to mention the image problem.  All you have to do is watch a Palin rally or a tea party.  About 20% of the country may see that as conservatism but the other 80% see a crowd of lunatics.  And those lunatics are being encouraged and inspired by Beck, Limbaugh and Hanity who are only in it for the ratings and the dollars - ideology has nothing to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick<br />You fail to mention the image problem.  All you have to do is watch a Palin rally or a tea party.  About 20% of the country may see that as conservatism but the other 80% see a crowd of lunatics.  And those lunatics are being encouraged and inspired by Beck, Limbaugh and Hanity who are only in it for the ratings and the dollars &#8211; ideology has nothing to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: kindness</title>
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		<dc:creator>kindness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A large part of the reason that New England, NY &amp; Mid Atlantic are no longer strongholds of republican representation is because their republicanism is different than that which the &#039;Party&#039; holds true now.  My family was true blue and republican all the way.  They were fiscal conservatives and social liberals.  They were pragmatic.  None of those qualities hold true to the Republican Party today.  The Party brooks no dissent on social issues where as in my experience the NE was somewhat more libertarian/liberal socially.  Individual choice is not allowed in today&#039;s Republican Party.  The representatives that you mention that no longer represent their communities lost out because they were forced to vote for bills and viewpoints their communities did not support.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Look at the pounding Specter is getting.  He&#039;s not a typical Democrat.  He&#039;s a much more typical north eastern Republican but the party doesn&#039;t want him and actively has tried to boot him even though Tooney can&#039;t &amp; won&#039;t win. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;btw  - Markos isn&#039;t some wild eyed fanatic.  He&#039;s much more pragmatic than the Republican leaders of today.  And Lamont would have represented his constituents with a much higher approval rating than what Lieberman is getting today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A large part of the reason that New England, NY &#038; Mid Atlantic are no longer strongholds of republican representation is because their republicanism is different than that which the &#39;Party&#39; holds true now.  My family was true blue and republican all the way.  They were fiscal conservatives and social liberals.  They were pragmatic.  None of those qualities hold true to the Republican Party today.  The Party brooks no dissent on social issues where as in my experience the NE was somewhat more libertarian/liberal socially.  Individual choice is not allowed in today&#39;s Republican Party.  The representatives that you mention that no longer represent their communities lost out because they were forced to vote for bills and viewpoints their communities did not support.  </p>
<p>Look at the pounding Specter is getting.  He&#39;s not a typical Democrat.  He&#39;s a much more typical north eastern Republican but the party doesn&#39;t want him and actively has tried to boot him even though Tooney can&#39;t &#038; won&#39;t win. </p>
<p>btw  &#8211; Markos isn&#39;t some wild eyed fanatic.  He&#39;s much more pragmatic than the Republican leaders of today.  And Lamont would have represented his constituents with a much higher approval rating than what Lieberman is getting today.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Far be it from me to disagree with Rick Moran...but it could just be that the GOP lost because conservatism has been dominant in the U.S. for a generation...since Reagan&#039;s win in 1980.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Politics, like the economy, is cyclical.  Even great political movements gather moss...and entropy slows them down.&lt;br&gt;Look at how FDR&#039;s New Deal was withering until revitalized by LBJ&#039;s Great Society in the 1960s. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For anyone despairing of the GOP...or crowing about the current preeminence of the Democrats...why not look to Great Britain.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In 1997 Tony Blair&#039;s New Labour was elected in a landslide.  He was like a rock star...and he ushered in &quot;Cool Britannia&quot; and all that.&lt;br&gt;The media loved him.  An news presenter on the BBC. . . which is just as objective as the U.S. media . . . crowed that champagne corks were popping all through the Broadcast Center on election night 1997.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Move ahead 13 years. . .Great Britain is bankrupt. . .welfare benefits are at record levels . . . the government seems unable to check Muslim radicals immigrating from Pakistan and denouncing British values (and occasionally blowing things up) while collecting welfare checks [the London bus and subway suicide bombers were also, oddly enough, multiple welfare fraudsters]...taxes have been increased on everything to pay for the rising benefits culture. . .crime is rising, and the nihilistic Chav culture is bring &quot;A Clockwork Orange&quot; into everyday reality . . . . &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The result:  Even the left-wing &quot;Guardian&quot; now concedes an overwhelming Conservative victory is inevitable next year...despite the fact the Conservative Party is filled with largely vacuous nonentities determined not to voice any opinion whatsoever.  They are not Labour, and that is all that matters.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Governments defeat themselves.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So I would say to Rick Moran. . .the Democrats will likely be out of power within a decade.   &lt;br&gt;Perhaps the American media will succeed in sheltering Obama from damage for two full terms...they have done an excellent job so far...but who will succeed him?     &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Wheel of Fortuna will turn. . .that much is eventual . . .and those like Karl Rove who believe they could engineer permanent majorities will always fall under the wheel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Far be it from me to disagree with Rick Moran&#8230;but it could just be that the GOP lost because conservatism has been dominant in the U.S. for a generation&#8230;since Reagan&#39;s win in 1980.</p>
<p>Politics, like the economy, is cyclical.  Even great political movements gather moss&#8230;and entropy slows them down.<br />Look at how FDR&#39;s New Deal was withering until revitalized by LBJ&#39;s Great Society in the 1960s. </p>
<p>For anyone despairing of the GOP&#8230;or crowing about the current preeminence of the Democrats&#8230;why not look to Great Britain.</p>
<p>In 1997 Tony Blair&#39;s New Labour was elected in a landslide.  He was like a rock star&#8230;and he ushered in &#8220;Cool Britannia&#8221; and all that.<br />The media loved him.  An news presenter on the BBC. . . which is just as objective as the U.S. media . . . crowed that champagne corks were popping all through the Broadcast Center on election night 1997.</p>
<p>Move ahead 13 years. . .Great Britain is bankrupt. . .welfare benefits are at record levels . . . the government seems unable to check Muslim radicals immigrating from Pakistan and denouncing British values (and occasionally blowing things up) while collecting welfare checks [the London bus and subway suicide bombers were also, oddly enough, multiple welfare fraudsters]&#8230;taxes have been increased on everything to pay for the rising benefits culture. . .crime is rising, and the nihilistic Chav culture is bring &#8220;A Clockwork Orange&#8221; into everyday reality . . . . </p>
<p>The result:  Even the left-wing &#8220;Guardian&#8221; now concedes an overwhelming Conservative victory is inevitable next year&#8230;despite the fact the Conservative Party is filled with largely vacuous nonentities determined not to voice any opinion whatsoever.  They are not Labour, and that is all that matters.</p>
<p>Governments defeat themselves.</p>
<p>So I would say to Rick Moran. . .the Democrats will likely be out of power within a decade.   <br />Perhaps the American media will succeed in sheltering Obama from damage for two full terms&#8230;they have done an excellent job so far&#8230;but who will succeed him?     </p>
<p>The Wheel of Fortuna will turn. . .that much is eventual . . .and those like Karl Rove who believe they could engineer permanent majorities will always fall under the wheel.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, I think you would be surprised to find out how much discussion there is regarding the Ten Commandments.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, keep in mind that conservative principles are extremely difficult sell to Americans - not because they&#039;re conservative but because they&#039;re, well, principles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, I think you would be surprised to find out how much discussion there is regarding the Ten Commandments.</p>
<p>Also, keep in mind that conservative principles are extremely difficult sell to Americans &#8211; not because they&#39;re conservative but because they&#39;re, well, principles.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The modern conservative is engaged in one of man&#039;s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;Galbraith, John Kenneth&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The modern conservative is engaged in one of man&#39;s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.</p></blockquote>
<p><b>Galbraith, John Kenneth</b></p>
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