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	<title>Comments on: Source of Swine Flu May Be U.S. Hog Production Facility in Mexico</title>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathy ??&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Where&#039;s the contradiction in stating some information that I learned at a conference, and in stating some other information that I&#039;m pretty sure is accurate while also conveying that I&#039;m not expert enough on the subject to state it as unequivocal fact? The second statement you quoted was the focus of the seminar I attended, and I stand by the accuracy of it. The first is just my general accumulated knowledge of the various virus families. I&#039;ve had more education on this than the average Joe (virology and epidemiology courses at the graduate level) but less than a virologist or epidemiologist would, so I&#039;m not trying to assert a level of expertise that&#039;s &#039;above my pay grade&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy ??</p>
<p>Where&#39;s the contradiction in stating some information that I learned at a conference, and in stating some other information that I&#39;m pretty sure is accurate while also conveying that I&#39;m not expert enough on the subject to state it as unequivocal fact? The second statement you quoted was the focus of the seminar I attended, and I stand by the accuracy of it. The first is just my general accumulated knowledge of the various virus families. I&#39;ve had more education on this than the average Joe (virology and epidemiology courses at the graduate level) but less than a virologist or epidemiologist would, so I&#39;m not trying to assert a level of expertise that&#39;s &#39;above my pay grade&#39;.</p>
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		<title>By: kathyedits</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathyedits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I am pretty sure there&#039;s never been a flu virus confirmed to be spread by insect vector (that&#039;s not the way this family of viruses operates) and it&#039;s not shed in active form in the feces, so the premise of that is based on complete nonsense.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;CStanley one.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;This is something I know a bit about, having attended a seminar by a CDC vet who explained (frighteningly, I might add) that global demographic shifts toward the keeping of livestock in highly populated areas is virtually guaranteeing that we&#039;ll have one of these pandemics in the near future.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Could you please reconcile these two different CStanleys for me? :-&#124;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am pretty sure there&#39;s never been a flu virus confirmed to be spread by insect vector (that&#39;s not the way this family of viruses operates) and it&#39;s not shed in active form in the feces, so the premise of that is based on complete nonsense.</i></p>
<p>CStanley one.</p>
<p><i>This is something I know a bit about, having attended a seminar by a CDC vet who explained (frighteningly, I might add) that global demographic shifts toward the keeping of livestock in highly populated areas is virtually guaranteeing that we&#39;ll have one of these pandemics in the near future.</i></p>
<p>Could you please reconcile these two different CStanleys for me? <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':-|' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, jwest- particularly the evil US factory farming corporations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am pretty sure there&#039;s never been a flu virus confirmed to be spread by insect vector (that&#039;s not the way this family of viruses operates) and it&#039;s not shed in active form in the feces, so the premise of that is based on complete nonsense.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And actually, theoretically factory farming should be epidemiologically better than small family farms in highly populated areas. If large livestock groups could be raised remotely from people, we&#039;d have far less risk of genetic crossover between porcine and avian viruses with human ones, which is what happens with these highly virulent and novel flu viruses.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is something I know a bit about, having attended a seminar by a CDC vet who explained (frighteningly, I might add) that global demographic shifts toward the keeping of livestock in highly populated areas is virtually guaranteeing that we&#039;ll have one of these pandemics in the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, jwest- particularly the evil US factory farming corporations.</p>
<p>I am pretty sure there&#39;s never been a flu virus confirmed to be spread by insect vector (that&#39;s not the way this family of viruses operates) and it&#39;s not shed in active form in the feces, so the premise of that is based on complete nonsense.</p>
<p>And actually, theoretically factory farming should be epidemiologically better than small family farms in highly populated areas. If large livestock groups could be raised remotely from people, we&#39;d have far less risk of genetic crossover between porcine and avian viruses with human ones, which is what happens with these highly virulent and novel flu viruses.</p>
<p>This is something I know a bit about, having attended a seminar by a CDC vet who explained (frighteningly, I might add) that global demographic shifts toward the keeping of livestock in highly populated areas is virtually guaranteeing that we&#39;ll have one of these pandemics in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: jwest</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elrod,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You are missing the point.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The outbreak of swine flu is a bad thing, so it is the fault of the U.S.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Didn’t you get the memo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elrod,</p>
<p>You are missing the point.</p>
<p>The outbreak of swine flu is a bad thing, so it is the fault of the U.S.  </p>
<p>Didn’t you get the memo?</p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 02:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s possible. But I&#039;m not sure if flies are the vector here. The swine flu is actually a hybrid of human, bird and swine flu, so I&#039;m not sure how it would get passed via flies from hog waste to humans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s possible. But I&#39;m not sure if flies are the vector here. The swine flu is actually a hybrid of human, bird and swine flu, so I&#39;m not sure how it would get passed via flies from hog waste to humans.</p>
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