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	<title>Comments on: Book Review: True Enough: Learning to Live in a Post-Fact Society</title>
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		<title>By: lurxst</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/30029/book-review-true-enough-learning-to-live-in-a-post-fact-society/comment-page-1/#comment-182171</link>
		<dc:creator>lurxst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a good essay about Fox news recently. The author made an argument that Fox News isn&#039;t as much about promoting a specific idealogy or agenda (ie conservative or republican views) as much as it is about trashing journalism, writ large, to the point where no one trusts any source anymore because every fact can be argued and every fact presenter becomes suspect because of bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a good essay about Fox news recently. The author made an argument that Fox News isn&#39;t as much about promoting a specific idealogy or agenda (ie conservative or republican views) as much as it is about trashing journalism, writ large, to the point where no one trusts any source anymore because every fact can be argued and every fact presenter becomes suspect because of bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Janjanjan</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/30029/book-review-true-enough-learning-to-live-in-a-post-fact-society/comment-page-1/#comment-182086</link>
		<dc:creator>Janjanjan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole concept of 24 hour news channels is a distortion.  Basically, there is a teaspoon of news with gallons and gallons of commentary.  Because there is rarely any demarcation between the two, many people seem to think that what they&#039;ve been watching all day is, in fact, news.  Certainly there has always been some slant in news presentations, but the better publications made a real effort to separate news from opinion.  As people&#039;s attention spans became shorter and shorter, the effort to tell stories with sound bites alone became impossible.  But, instead of expanding the data presented, the media made a conscious decision to expand on the commentary and opinion pieces.  Television is the worst offender.  Viewers have 2 choices--watch personality-dominated programs, or watch the theoretically &quot;neutral&quot; outlets.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With the personality-dominated shows, the viewer knows what is coming.  The subject may change daily, but the spin is identical and so is the style.  It hardly matters whether the subject is influenza, Africa, climate change, banking reform, legislation.  The commentators don&#039;t care.  The subject is merely a vehicle used to promote an opinion.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In many ways, the &quot;neutral&quot; shows are even worse.  Again, the subject changes daily, but the methodology never changes.  On every subject, two opposing pundits will speak.  If we&#039;re very lucky, the pundits will be articulate and rational and maybe we&#039;ll learn something.  More likely, what we&#039;ll is two junior personalities who have nothing but spin to share with us.  If we&#039;re really unlikely, and the pundits are particularly inarticulate, we&#039;ll get shouting matches.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most people are born curious and are always on a hunt for information.  It&#039;s okay if the only places to get information are places which have some bias, as long as the information is presented in its most factual form, and if the bias is clearly identified.  The curious consumer can sort through the information and make good judgments.  But, shouting matches and hateful people are absolutely unacceptable to many.  That&#039;s why blogs, especially those which attract a large number of moderate readers, have become alternate news sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole concept of 24 hour news channels is a distortion.  Basically, there is a teaspoon of news with gallons and gallons of commentary.  Because there is rarely any demarcation between the two, many people seem to think that what they&#39;ve been watching all day is, in fact, news.  Certainly there has always been some slant in news presentations, but the better publications made a real effort to separate news from opinion.  As people&#39;s attention spans became shorter and shorter, the effort to tell stories with sound bites alone became impossible.  But, instead of expanding the data presented, the media made a conscious decision to expand on the commentary and opinion pieces.  Television is the worst offender.  Viewers have 2 choices&#8211;watch personality-dominated programs, or watch the theoretically &#8220;neutral&#8221; outlets.  </p>
<p>With the personality-dominated shows, the viewer knows what is coming.  The subject may change daily, but the spin is identical and so is the style.  It hardly matters whether the subject is influenza, Africa, climate change, banking reform, legislation.  The commentators don&#39;t care.  The subject is merely a vehicle used to promote an opinion.</p>
<p>In many ways, the &#8220;neutral&#8221; shows are even worse.  Again, the subject changes daily, but the methodology never changes.  On every subject, two opposing pundits will speak.  If we&#39;re very lucky, the pundits will be articulate and rational and maybe we&#39;ll learn something.  More likely, what we&#39;ll is two junior personalities who have nothing but spin to share with us.  If we&#39;re really unlikely, and the pundits are particularly inarticulate, we&#39;ll get shouting matches.  </p>
<p>Most people are born curious and are always on a hunt for information.  It&#39;s okay if the only places to get information are places which have some bias, as long as the information is presented in its most factual form, and if the bias is clearly identified.  The curious consumer can sort through the information and make good judgments.  But, shouting matches and hateful people are absolutely unacceptable to many.  That&#39;s why blogs, especially those which attract a large number of moderate readers, have become alternate news sources.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has been pointed out many times is that the MSM keeps acting like the internet and alterantive media do not exist.  When the local media refuses to identify a suspect in a vicous crime, anyone who wants to can turn to the media and look up the facts on any local event.  What I also find odd is that individuals can look up on line regulations, laws, and court opinions instead of depending on the media&#039;s interpretation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has been pointed out many times is that the MSM keeps acting like the internet and alterantive media do not exist.  When the local media refuses to identify a suspect in a vicous crime, anyone who wants to can turn to the media and look up the facts on any local event.  What I also find odd is that individuals can look up on line regulations, laws, and court opinions instead of depending on the media&#39;s interpretation.</p>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;m seeing is that people seem to ignore the difference between opinion and fact, or maybe don&#039;t even realize there&#039;s a difference.  Even on this site most supporting links in articles are to bloggers who really are just offering the same opinion as the author.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#39;m seeing is that people seem to ignore the difference between opinion and fact, or maybe don&#39;t even realize there&#39;s a difference.  Even on this site most supporting links in articles are to bloggers who really are just offering the same opinion as the author.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/prior-archives/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mass media wasn&#039;t editing the news to fit their corporate masters&lt;/a&gt; in the past. The only difference is that now the general public gets a voice and that it&#039;s harder to send things down the memory hole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#39;t like the <a href="http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/prior-archives/" rel="nofollow">mass media wasn&#39;t editing the news to fit their corporate masters</a> in the past. The only difference is that now the general public gets a voice and that it&#39;s harder to send things down the memory hole.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Beasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Beasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really not sure that things have changed that much except it has become much easier to reinforce the beliefs you already have when it comes to politics and current events.  Most of FOX programing is little more than a video right wing blog with actual guests instead of links.  The same can be said for MSNBC on the left.  The over all desire to reinforce your beliefs is nothing new - you have to look no further than organized religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m really not sure that things have changed that much except it has become much easier to reinforce the beliefs you already have when it comes to politics and current events.  Most of FOX programing is little more than a video right wing blog with actual guests instead of links.  The same can be said for MSNBC on the left.  The over all desire to reinforce your beliefs is nothing new &#8211; you have to look no further than organized religion.</p>
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		<title>By: yetanothermoderatevoice</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetanothermoderatevoice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know you&#039;ve been concerned about this for years, and it is a little dismaying to see.  I had hoped that technique innovations (e.g. Jon Stewarts juxtaposing of &quot;then&quot; and &quot;now&quot; statements from people to point inconsistences) and disintermediation (e.g. why read the NYT summary of what the CBO director thinks of future entitlement costs?  Go to the CBO director&#039;s blog and read the primary source) would mitigate, but it doesn&#039;t seem so ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you&#39;ve been concerned about this for years, and it is a little dismaying to see.  I had hoped that technique innovations (e.g. Jon Stewarts juxtaposing of &#8220;then&#8221; and &#8220;now&#8221; statements from people to point inconsistences) and disintermediation (e.g. why read the NYT summary of what the CBO director thinks of future entitlement costs?  Go to the CBO director&#39;s blog and read the primary source) would mitigate, but it doesn&#39;t seem so &#8230;</p>
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