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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/29153/republican-senator-says-obama-aims-to-disarm-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-181141</link>
		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, PM.</description>
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		<title>By: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/29153/republican-senator-says-obama-aims-to-disarm-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-181097</link>
		<dc:creator>Polimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CStanley -- I&#039;m so sorry I dropped out of the dialogue abruptly.  Had to go out of town and I forgot this thread.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What Panza and TMaster have said, with a fair amount of heat and passion, seems to be about right -- and they&#039;ve underscored what I was saying in an earlier comment.  The anger and (in some cases) paranoia goes back to how the weapons were defined and described to the public --  a public that still does not seem to have any idea what it is they&#039;re talking about when the phrase &quot;assault weapons ban&quot; is used.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I suspect (though I could be totally incorrect) that if Obama were to insist upon honest discussion about weapon types, an actual dialogue would be possible.  There would perhaps even be agreement that some weapons really should be banned (though I&#039;m equally sure there would be a percentage of folks who&#039;d screech anyway).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But without honest, open discussion and clear definitions, an AWB will remain incendiary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CStanley &#8212; I&#39;m so sorry I dropped out of the dialogue abruptly.  Had to go out of town and I forgot this thread.</p>
<p>What Panza and TMaster have said, with a fair amount of heat and passion, seems to be about right &#8212; and they&#39;ve underscored what I was saying in an earlier comment.  The anger and (in some cases) paranoia goes back to how the weapons were defined and described to the public &#8212;  a public that still does not seem to have any idea what it is they&#39;re talking about when the phrase &#8220;assault weapons ban&#8221; is used.</p>
<p>I suspect (though I could be totally incorrect) that if Obama were to insist upon honest discussion about weapon types, an actual dialogue would be possible.  There would perhaps even be agreement that some weapons really should be banned (though I&#39;m equally sure there would be a percentage of folks who&#39;d screech anyway).  </p>
<p>But without honest, open discussion and clear definitions, an AWB will remain incendiary.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Master</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Panza is correct (and Elrod is incorrect).  The Assault Weapon Ban was not about the capacity of a weapon&#039;s magazine, although magazine capacity limits were included in the legislation.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rather the term &quot;Assault Weapon&quot; was a &#039;political Marketing&#039; term, not a &#039;firearms technical&#039; one.  It was deliberately used in order to sow confusion between it, and the U. S. military&#039;s term &quot;assault rifle&quot; i.e. a rifle capable of fully automatic fire as long as the trigger remains depressed--and the magazine does not run out of ammunition.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The &quot;Assault Weapons&quot; banned by this law were 100% semi-automatic, i.e. when the trigger is depressed one round is fired.  It was a &quot;scary looking gun&quot; ban whose supporters--including Bill Clinton--&lt;i&gt;deliberately&lt;/i&gt; stoked public confusion and ignorance in order to achieve it&#039;s passage.  The crushing defeat Clinton and the Democrats received in 1994, to which outraged 2nd amendment supporters contributed mightily, was IMHO well earned by their disgraceful tactics in this arena.  One does not have to think that none of these weapons should have been banned to be disgusted at the way the politicians achieved their ends.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Spreading disinformation, and relying on (and even increasing) public ignorance is not what makes a democracy work; it&#039;s far more appropriate to a dictatorship.  Bill Clinton&#039;s and the Democrats&#039; willingness to use the tactics of dictatorship and tyranny on such a fundamental constitutional issue were a major factor, again IMHO, in the development of what became Clinton Derangement Syndrome.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The high number of ex-Clintonites in Barack Obama&#039;s Administration is no doubt contributing to the paranoia on the part of the NRA and others that Obama is going to go down the same road, just as soon as he/they feel strong enough to do it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If eternal vigilance is the price of liberty, then these folks (as well as many people less paranoid then they) are damn well &lt;i&gt;determined&lt;/i&gt; to be vigilant this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Panza is correct (and Elrod is incorrect).  The Assault Weapon Ban was not about the capacity of a weapon&#39;s magazine, although magazine capacity limits were included in the legislation.  </p>
<p>Rather the term &#8220;Assault Weapon&#8221; was a &#39;political Marketing&#39; term, not a &#39;firearms technical&#39; one.  It was deliberately used in order to sow confusion between it, and the U. S. military&#39;s term &#8220;assault rifle&#8221; i.e. a rifle capable of fully automatic fire as long as the trigger remains depressed&#8211;and the magazine does not run out of ammunition.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;Assault Weapons&#8221; banned by this law were 100% semi-automatic, i.e. when the trigger is depressed one round is fired.  It was a &#8220;scary looking gun&#8221; ban whose supporters&#8211;including Bill Clinton&#8211;<i>deliberately</i> stoked public confusion and ignorance in order to achieve it&#39;s passage.  The crushing defeat Clinton and the Democrats received in 1994, to which outraged 2nd amendment supporters contributed mightily, was IMHO well earned by their disgraceful tactics in this arena.  One does not have to think that none of these weapons should have been banned to be disgusted at the way the politicians achieved their ends.</p>
<p>Spreading disinformation, and relying on (and even increasing) public ignorance is not what makes a democracy work; it&#39;s far more appropriate to a dictatorship.  Bill Clinton&#39;s and the Democrats&#39; willingness to use the tactics of dictatorship and tyranny on such a fundamental constitutional issue were a major factor, again IMHO, in the development of what became Clinton Derangement Syndrome.</p>
<p>The high number of ex-Clintonites in Barack Obama&#39;s Administration is no doubt contributing to the paranoia on the part of the NRA and others that Obama is going to go down the same road, just as soon as he/they feel strong enough to do it.</p>
<p>If eternal vigilance is the price of liberty, then these folks (as well as many people less paranoid then they) are damn well <i>determined</i> to be vigilant this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Panza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Panza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the reason people get so upset at the mention of reinstating the &quot;assault weapon&quot; ban is either:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A:  The utter ignorance of firearms several lawmakers display when the advocate a policy they have no understanding of, or&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;B.  The intentionally deceptive rhetoric used by those anti-gun policy wonks who are taking advantage of the lack of knowledge the general public has regarding firearms.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don&#039;t believe me?  Check out what Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center, the guy who came up &quot;assault weapon&quot; ploy, had to say when he penned the reasons for the AWB policy:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;  &quot; Assault weapons........are a new topic. The weapons&#039; menacing looks, coupled with the public&#039;s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vpc.org/studies/awaconc.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.vpc.org/studies/awaconc.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sugarmann authored a book titled &quot;The Case for Banning Handguns in the United States&quot;  He and others who advocate this policy have earned the term &#039;gun-grabber.&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Still don&#039;t think the AWB was a scam?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This gun was LEGAL while the ban was in place:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://yfrog.com/0ppreowned032j&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://yfrog.com/0ppreowned032j&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, pay attention, this gun was re-legalized after the AWB expired:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://yfrog.com/0car15a2j&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://yfrog.com/0car15a2j&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The second rifle has a collapsible stock and a bayonet lug.    Oh no!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It was total BS, just a symbolic attempt to demonize gun owners while furthering the goal of encroaching on the individual right to own firearms. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The &quot;compromise&quot; gun control advocates have in mind is this:  &quot;We&#039;ll only take away fewer of your rights than we&#039;d ideally like to have&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Its ridiculous, the guns pictured above, AR-15&#039;s, have been the most popular rifles sold in the United States for a decade.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The &quot;assault weapons&quot; ban is a NON-STARTER!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the reason people get so upset at the mention of reinstating the &#8220;assault weapon&#8221; ban is either:</p>
<p>A:  The utter ignorance of firearms several lawmakers display when the advocate a policy they have no understanding of, or</p>
<p>B.  The intentionally deceptive rhetoric used by those anti-gun policy wonks who are taking advantage of the lack of knowledge the general public has regarding firearms.</p>
<p>Don&#39;t believe me?  Check out what Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center, the guy who came up &#8220;assault weapon&#8221; ploy, had to say when he penned the reasons for the AWB policy:</p>
<p>  &#8221; Assault weapons&#8230;&#8230;..are a new topic. The weapons&#39; menacing looks, coupled with the public&#39;s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vpc.org/studies/awaconc.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.vpc.org/studies/awaconc.htm</a></p>
<p>Sugarmann authored a book titled &#8220;The Case for Banning Handguns in the United States&#8221;  He and others who advocate this policy have earned the term &#39;gun-grabber.&#39;</p>
<p>Still don&#39;t think the AWB was a scam?  </p>
<p>This gun was LEGAL while the ban was in place:</p>
<p><a href="http://yfrog.com/0ppreowned032j" rel="nofollow">http://yfrog.com/0ppreowned032j</a></p>
<p>Now, pay attention, this gun was re-legalized after the AWB expired:</p>
<p><a href="http://yfrog.com/0car15a2j" rel="nofollow">http://yfrog.com/0car15a2j</a></p>
<p>The second rifle has a collapsible stock and a bayonet lug.    Oh no!!!</p>
<p>It was total BS, just a symbolic attempt to demonize gun owners while furthering the goal of encroaching on the individual right to own firearms. </p>
<p>The &#8220;compromise&#8221; gun control advocates have in mind is this:  &#8220;We&#39;ll only take away fewer of your rights than we&#39;d ideally like to have&#8221;</p>
<p>Its ridiculous, the guns pictured above, AR-15&#39;s, have been the most popular rifles sold in the United States for a decade.</p>
<p>The &#8220;assault weapons&#8221; ban is a NON-STARTER!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: gdhdcx</title>
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		<dc:creator>gdhdcx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe,  and this comes from my time with uncle sam that an assault weapon is one designed for close combat, capable of firing multiple rounds(automatic) by pulling, and holding the trigger down, or in.  But, and I may be wrong, but I think Slick Willy, and his shadow Al Gore changed the definition of an assault weapon.  Most ak-47&#039;s are semi automatic, meaning you must pull the trigger, and release it for each round that is discharged</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe,  and this comes from my time with uncle sam that an assault weapon is one designed for close combat, capable of firing multiple rounds(automatic) by pulling, and holding the trigger down, or in.  But, and I may be wrong, but I think Slick Willy, and his shadow Al Gore changed the definition of an assault weapon.  Most ak-47&#39;s are semi automatic, meaning you must pull the trigger, and release it for each round that is discharged</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/29153/republican-senator-says-obama-aims-to-disarm-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-180408</link>
		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polimom, can you enlighten us? I really haven&#039;t followed the debate closely at all. I&#039;m vaguely aware that a lot of people favor reasonable restrictions but as usual, no one agrees on what &#039;reasonable&#039; means except for &#039;what makes sense to me.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polimom, can you enlighten us? I really haven&#39;t followed the debate closely at all. I&#39;m vaguely aware that a lot of people favor reasonable restrictions but as usual, no one agrees on what &#39;reasonable&#39; means except for &#39;what makes sense to me.&#39;</p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, AK-47s are not banned. Only AK-47s with the 30-round clip are banned. Those with the 15-round clip are still legal.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That just goes to show how silly this debate is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, AK-47s are not banned. Only AK-47s with the 30-round clip are banned. Those with the 15-round clip are still legal.</p>
<p>That just goes to show how silly this debate is.</p>
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		<title>By: kathyedits</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathyedits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AK-47s?</description>
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		<title>By: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/29153/republican-senator-says-obama-aims-to-disarm-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-180374</link>
		<dc:creator>Polimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question.   How many folks supporting an &quot;assault weapons ban&quot; understand what it is they&#039;re wanting to ban?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And before you pounce all over me -- I&#039;m appalled by the &quot;ZOMG, they&#039;re going to take away all the guns&quot; rhetoric.  It&#039;s exactly that type of flaming rhetoric that drives some of the less stable in our society over the edge.  But I really am not at all sure everybody&#039;s on the same sheet of music here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question.   How many folks supporting an &#8220;assault weapons ban&#8221; understand what it is they&#39;re wanting to ban?  </p>
<p>And before you pounce all over me &#8212; I&#39;m appalled by the &#8220;ZOMG, they&#39;re going to take away all the guns&#8221; rhetoric.  It&#39;s exactly that type of flaming rhetoric that drives some of the less stable in our society over the edge.  But I really am not at all sure everybody&#39;s on the same sheet of music here.</p>
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		<title>By: Polimom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the most problematic of all policy moves by the Clinton administration was the ban on &quot;assault&quot; weapons -- because there&#039;s a definitional issue at work.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The vast majority of people I know who are angry about the &quot;assault weapons ban&quot; wrap up right here.  I suspect that if the policy / law makers were to write something that coherently defined weapons properly, there&#039;d be a LOT less hostility and/or paranoia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the most problematic of all policy moves by the Clinton administration was the ban on &#8220;assault&#8221; weapons &#8212; because there&#39;s a definitional issue at work.</p>
<p>The vast majority of people I know who are angry about the &#8220;assault weapons ban&#8221; wrap up right here.  I suspect that if the policy / law makers were to write something that coherently defined weapons properly, there&#39;d be a LOT less hostility and/or paranoia.</p>
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		<title>By: Braindead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Braindead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you’re wondering where the insistence by some conservatives and Fox News &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I love Fox news.   I guess its why its number one.  Sorry for you hate spewing agenda driven lefties who cant take the truth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Remember GWB once had a 70 percent approval rating too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you’re wondering where the insistence by some conservatives and Fox News </p>
<p>I love Fox news.   I guess its why its number one.  Sorry for you hate spewing agenda driven lefties who cant take the truth.</p>
<p>Remember GWB once had a 70 percent approval rating too.</p>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He disarms me everytime he speaks.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ilovewavs.com/Effects/Music/Sound%20Effect%20-%20Rimshot.wav&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thanks folks I got a million of &#039;em&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He disarms me everytime he speaks.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ilovewavs.com/Effects/Music/Sound%20Effect%20-%20Rimshot.wav" rel="nofollow">Thanks folks I got a million of &#39;em</a></p>
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		<title>By: kathyedits</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathyedits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He disarms me everytime he speaks.</description>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s pretty boilerplate rhetoric from anti-gun control folks. &quot;Disarming&quot; is usually meant banning an expansive class of weapons. The &quot;he doesn&#039;t know what assault weapons are&quot; line makes that clear, as a strong criticism of the assault weapons ban was the vague and silly definition of assault weapons. Basically, it boils down to clip size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s pretty boilerplate rhetoric from anti-gun control folks. &#8220;Disarming&#8221; is usually meant banning an expansive class of weapons. The &#8220;he doesn&#39;t know what assault weapons are&#8221; line makes that clear, as a strong criticism of the assault weapons ban was the vague and silly definition of assault weapons. Basically, it boils down to clip size.</p>
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