No red herring, but I'm just saying……immigration is a loaded revolver used in Russian roulette and McCain won't be around to do his RINO act with any cred now. And GWB with his half-a-loaf hedging is also [thankfully] gone. Just hoping Obama tries once again to convince us not to enforce the laws on the books and gets the Dems to make it law.

That might make 2010 a banner Republican year.

So we push the cost of all that on employers, no matter how small, and put them out of business. Nah. That is SO not gonna happen. Reactionary faux solutions are not going to cut it here.

The only employment we should allow of these cheap workers is ag, to keep food costs down, and then only to those unmarried aliens of young and hardy age to keep the tide of adjunct family members down and to lower the risk of injury in this difficult line of work.

That way illegals can still come here in a restricted manner to offer some opportunity in the form of wages sent home to famliy while they are young. Beyond that they go back and let another younger family member come forward to work in their place. If the only work they can get is in agriculture, the incentive to move north is lessened quite a bit…quite a bit..

Not really long because if we enforce the laws these illegals will not work, will not collect social security and will not be allowed in school. The round em up thing is nothing more then a talking point designed to show the futility of such and hence we should just legalize them……after all it would be cheaper.

Wrong. We dont round them up. We accept them at the INS office and bus them back to Mexico when they show up at the offices poor, broke and destitute. Give them a number and offer to put them to the head of the class if they can prove they were here xx amount of time.

Its really simple. Let them police themselves.

America has always run on slave labor, from the time of actual domestic slavery to the present, in which we buy the products of countries with no labor laws, slave labor, child labor etc.

Taking a wide-angle view, are we determined to have no business that does not compete competitively in a globalized world society? Because *40%* of the world's 6 billion people live on less than $2 a day (20% less than $1). Is it your proposal that American laborers compete with them? Do YOU want to work for $2 a day? Want anyone in your family or any of your friends to try to make it on that?

Stole my thunder…. The fact that all the push-polling and self-serving “surveys” and “studies” by Democrat pollsters have obscured the fact that around 70+% of Americans are ADAMANTLY opposed to lax enforcement of the laws is allowing the continuation of elites' usurpation of authority, and judicial tyranny in enforcing it, vis-a-vis immigration policy.

Europe is facing a similar problem except for the fact that they don't even have immigration laws on the books to confront the demographic menace a tide of illegals presents…

If Obama wants to take on Israel, an anti-immigration majority, and try to do cap & trade as the Earth cools back down, PUHLEEZ go ahead and turn yourself into GWB in less than two years flat….

At least Bush finally won his war. BHO is doing what the Japanese tried with Pearl Harbor. Political Russian roulette with a fully-loaded pistol.

Yes, raid businesses and make tough laws even tougher about hiring illegals outside the ag industry. We need food cheap but everything else we should be made to realize the value of in prices that reflect american labor.

That is a lie. Immigration is not broken. We simply do not fund the INS and we do not enforce the laws. Hence the Democrats offer us a solution to a lie (That immigration is broken)and offer to be moderate in tone.

How laughable. Simply enforce the laws on the books and the problem will be resolved. Fund the INS. End of problem. But we all know that there are two fundamental problems with that. For some stupid and laughable reason the GOP seems to want cheap labor and they turn a blind eye. Democrats simply want more votes. Well over the last 20-30 years they have watched millions and millions of new democrats flood into the country and now what is the result?

A gop that is essentially bankrupt and meaningless. Why is Obama even floating this. He has the votes…..just do whatever the hell he wants. Thats what hes going to do in the end anyway.

Then, in all other areas where illegals are employed, make the penalties for doing so, very extreme, so very harrowing that no one would even dare think of hiring anyone without a fullproof display of proven citizenship or work visa.

Without the cheap immigrant labor in our agricultural industries, food prices would be astronomical. And food is a basic human right to have be affordable enough to sustain adequate nutrition for even our poorest members. Beyond that we really need to crack down and return jobs to american citizens.

The bottom line is, if those tempted to cross the border into our nation find little or no incentive to do so beyond some very hard farm labor and only for those (unmarried) between the ages of 18 and 25, and penalties are so severe for the hiring in any other capacity that no other jobs are availible to them, then the border fence doesn't even need to go up. The fence of anti-incentives will be like 100-feet high and woven with concertina wire.