Comments on: In Which Sarah Slowly Self Destructs

By: eatyourfeedback

eatyourfeedback — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:09:27 +0000

What ARE you smoking?

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Garden | Modern Life Home Furnishings — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:38:02 +0000

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By: CStanley

CStanley — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:42:00 +0000

And as an aside, Jindal is history. It's amazing how one disastrous tv spot can end a candidacy.

Oh, no way. I mean, that appearance was inexplicably awful but no way have we seen the end of him. He's doing what Palin should now be doing (and he doesn't have nearly the amount of damage to reverse that she does anyway): laying low, governing his state, and building an actual record to run on when the time comes. I don't think he'll run yet in '12 but watch for him in '16, I bet (of course that depends on the results of '12, whether Obama keeps his office or not.)

I have no idea who advised him or wrote that speech for him, but it was so out of character that I assume he tried to follow some foolish advice and now knows better for next time.

By: Daivie

Daivie — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:56:19 +0000

Well, she is running for president. We'll have to wait and see what her policies and programs will be and how will they help America prosper, become secure and re-establish respect across the world. I don't think, however, that this time around she'll get past Romney in the debates as he too is fine tuning his campaign style and talking points as we speak. Then there is the question, do the republicans need a “white knight” to come out of the woodwork like Clinton did for the democrats in '92 : someone handsome, smart, disarming, previously unknown, articulate, moderate and captivating ? If they do, they'll create a level playing field against Obama. If they don't, Romney, Jindal, Palin, Huckabee…whomever from the current field…won't get it done. And as an aside, Jindal is history. It's amazing how one disastrous tv spot can end a candidacy.

By: CStanley

CStanley — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:25:51 +0000

I pretty much agree, Daivie, although I think she could have seasoned into a much better candidate if she hadn't come onto the national scene prematurely. I think what her supporters see in her is the natural charisma/ connection with people that she has with a certain portion of the voters. That's something that people either instrinsically have or they don't- and that's why it's a shame to waste a politician who has something of a natural gift. However, that alone is not sufficient by a long run, and the fact that she unwisely accepted the nomination before ready and then had no clue how to manage her image, and didn't have a fast learning curve for facts or for media management, made her a poor candidate IMO.

I have to disagree with the 'prochoice' thing- I really didn't get the sense that this was a huge part of her popularity. And I have to also say that I agreed with Camille Paglia about her admiration for Palin's brand of conservative feminism (the tough but feminine image) and I do think that a lot of liberals find that threatening because they can see the appeal as a counterweight to their liberal feminism. It's an image that's tough to beat unless you discredit her in other ways instead.

I'm not saying that her prolife stance isn't part of her appeal, but I think you're painting her conservative supporters much too two dimensionally.

By: Daivie

Daivie — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:59:56 +0000

As you can see, I've not gotten into Palin's family at all. I also disagree with those who try to make something out of Palin's experience. It's quite minimal against the requirements to become a national leader; so I agree with you that she's unprepared for national politics. I'm dismayed at those who say she can study up in 3 years to become qualified. Why bother ? There are many other conservatives already qualified who also can articulate the issues, lead the country and handle interviews maturely. Being a hockey mom is not a requisite for political office. Many of Palin's supporters say I'll vote for her because she is salt of the earth. That won't get us out of the depression or regain our international prominence. If I've seemed upset at Palin's supporters, it's because I truly believe their agenda is more anti choice than pro America. We can't afford to vote that way anymore, witness Bush and yes Reagan–the great deregulator. Let's not be afraid of intellectuals for our leadership. It's where our young people are heading.

By: CStanley

CStanley — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:34:50 +0000

Palin's record overall is not one of faith based politics, Daivie. That's the point- there are reasons to criticize her without buying into the misinformation that's been piled on to her. My opinion is that she was quite unprepared for national politics, and that's the main reason I'm not a supporter- but if you'll forgive another juvenile expression, “Two wrongs don't make a right.” When people criticize her fairly, I'll agree with them, but when they distort and attack her for her family, I'll defend against those kinds of attacks (I would also, for what it's worth, defend people that I disagree strongly with politically when they're attacked unfairly, ie, the 'Obama is a Musllim' or talking about Obama's half brother living in a hut in Kenya type of stuff. And please, don't attempt to persuade me that Palin made her family fair game. Jimmy Carter was also a family values guy but I wouldn't have condoned people taking digs at Amy or his loopy brother Billy.

By: Daivie

Daivie — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:02:33 +0000

That's good to hear. I would have imagined you to be thougtful about those you support. Apart from that, there can be no juvenile criticism when it comes to Palin.
Indeed, there needs to be more transparency about her past, her principles and her platform. Faith based politics dumped America into the abyss and the fact that Roe V Wade trumps substantive issues in political debate is scary, therefore, yes I'm afraid of Palin.

By: CStanley

CStanley — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 02:24:37 +0000

Don't put words in my keypad. I'm not backing anyone- I'm pointing out how juvenile the level of discourse is regarding Palin. If I criticize the criticism, it does not logically follow that I'm a supporter of the person in question.

By: Daivie

Daivie — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 02:12:07 +0000

CStanley : Twisted semantics won't get you the nod. You're backing a whacko loser with no meaningful experience; and we're backing the president. Can you imagine what a Frost/Palin debate would sound like ? Talk about a cringe factor.

By: CStanley

CStanley — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:19:03 +0000

Daivie: If you think it justifies drivel posted by former award winning journalists to say that “Hannity started it”, I think that line of reasoning needs no further rebuttal.

By: CStanley

CStanley — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:15:29 +0000

If we're going to divert a character based attack on Palin thread into a Bush vs. Obama one, shouldn't we stick to the same kinds of criticisms and arguments?

You know, stuff like “Bush looks like a chimp” or “Bush got a DUI”, and “Obama is a closeted Communist/Islamist” and “His wife hates America?”

That's the kind of critique that was made of Palin here, so I don't know why you guys are getting into policy discussions.

By: Daivie

Daivie — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:11:32 +0000

CStanley : How quickly you forget what Hannity and his minions did to Hillary for over two years with the ” Stop the Hillary Express ” mantras. And now, they are focusing their vitriol on Obama–non stop. So, we elite, intellectual liberals are just going to sit back and give the lunatic fringe with its idiotic leader–Palin–a free ride? No way. We let Reagan start the process of destroying America and Bush finish it; and we're not going to let clueless, ignorant, reichwinged Palin rub our noses in the filth they caused with their faith based, extremist policies. Our failure as Americans will be backing off the moron Palin and allowing America to enter a Palin winter—which will be far worse than a nuclear winter.

By: D. E.Rodriguez

D. E.Rodriguez — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:07:13 +0000

" You need to move on into the present crisis caused by Obama's poor leadership and lack of experience."

Correct me if I am wrong, but the "present crisis" started under Bush's regime, a result of eight years of total failure, mismanagement, poor leadership and inexperience on that man's part. It may take a little more than eight days, or eight weeks, or even eight months to straighten out the crap he left behind/.

Thank you

By: CStanley

CStanley — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:34:02 +0000

I don't suppose that it's true that people like Mullen and his minions here are 'deathly afraid' of Palin because I think they are well aware that the personal attacks have worked to discredit her among independent voters and Democrats, and that the GOP is still too disarrayed to elect a candidate whose appeal doesn't go beyond the base.

Well done, folks. Time to start making more personal attacks on Bobby Jindal. We wouldn't want to actually allow a healthy two party system to flourish, now, would we? Then the left would have to actually convince people to vote for liberal Democrats on the basis of their policies, and we can't have that!

By: lynnrockets

lynnrockets — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:11:11 +0000

THE PALIN BUNCH
(sung to the theme of “The Brady Bunch”)

Here’s the story of a gal named Sarah

Who was the Governor of State number 49.

Then John McCain came lookin’ for a V.P.

And that sounded just fine.

Here’s the story of Todd the First Dude

He had a D.U.I. and drove a snow machine.

He couldn’t count to ten on his fingers

With just his G.E.D.

The election didn’t go the way they planned it

Our girl Sarah couldn’t handle interviews.

The media exposed her dearth of knowledge

Except for Fox News and that blonde chick from The View.

The Palin Bunch, the Palin Bunch

By: Silhouette

Silhouette — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:21:33 +0000

Yes, “deathly afraid of Sarah Palin”. Please for the love of God run Sarah on the 2012 GOP ticket! I'm begging you. I know where the majority of voters lie. Clinton women don't identify with shooting wolves from a helicopter, no matter if the killer wears pants or a skirt.

Sarah Palin 2012!!! That'll give Obama four more years to clean up the mess Cheneyco left. He really needs like sixteen though.. Maybe Sarah can run in 2016 and 2020? Then we'd really be back on track..

By: Leonidas

Leonidas — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:59:53 +0000

I'm not much of a Sarah Palin fan, but I like her better than Shaun Mullen “objectivity”.

By: Leigh49

Leigh49 — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 05:54:41 +0000

Shaun is like all the other leftists who are deathly afraid of Sarah Palin. It's funny to watch a group of narcissists meltdown over a mother of 5 from Alaska!

ROTFL!

By: Leigh49

Leigh49 — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 05:52:28 +0000

There is NOTHING “Moderate” about this blog or this story about Sarah Palin.

Talk about false advertising!