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Our Lady of Guadalupe, A Catholic Latina’s Take: Hillary Clinton Vindicated

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Well, look. Our Lady can withstand anything, including people who want to hijack her into their internecine fighting. She grew up that way, remember? Pregnant and not married. Bearing the Son of God. Yeah sure, said the people of her time and they were mightily insulted.

But, Guadalupe is the major girl gang leader in heaven. She can handle herself just fine. Remember, she is called La Conquista, the one who conquers the hearts of others. In other words, the mother of Christ is filled with love… and mercy toward others. She protects the torn hearted with her mantle. She soothes those falsely accused. She knows about these things firsthand, remember? She was accused. She and her Child needed protection too.

Earlier, Jazz, my coblogger at TMV, wrote a good article called Fauxrage In Mexico – Hillary Hates Catholics! about how some in media have spun a naive question Hillary asked at the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico City… into the Secretary of State being insensitive, disrespectful and so on… oh and don’t forget the WWGBD trope, that too.

I’d however, like to keep it to who Hillary insulted. The answer is no one attempting to live imitatio Christi… in some semblance, poorly or half-well, in imitation of Christ.

She asked who painted the ancient picture of Our Lady on the burlap-like cape, (called La tilma de san Juan Diego o icono de la virgen de Guadalupe,) that Don Diego wore in 1531 (post Conquest invasion in 1519) when she appeared to him on Tepyac Hill. The cloak is framed above the central altar in the basilica. The heavy gold frame certainly gives the cloak the appearance of being a painting.

But, the picture was not painted. It is similar to Veronica’s Veil, from the story in the New Testament: she who wiped the bloody face of the suffering Jesus as he dragged the heavy cross to Golgotha to be crucified. Her veil took on Christ’s image including his crown of thorns.

Similarly, the little enslaved Indian, Don Diego (as his conquerors had named him) received the impression of La Señora Guadalupe on his cloak.

So, I’d just like to add my rational two cents to the way the media played this out as Hillary being a person without manners, wit, or reverence. As a Catholic and as a Latina, I’d just say this and I hope you will find what I say is so, leaving the crud of political shivs out of it…

Most of us would not be offended at all by such a question from Hillary, or from anyone. Quite the contrary, most Latinos are not offended by people speaking Spanish poorly either. (There is a group of self-appointed keepers of the language, who are arch when people dont speak perfectly, but they are a minority.) When people don’t know some important or unimportant thing, whether they are inexperienced or naive… we feel sympathetic toward people who are trying, who are interested enough to ask. Deeply so.

We tell people who falter their ways through Spanish, ‘You are doing pretty good! Say some more!’ We’d repeat what they just mangled, in the way it ought to go, to try to set a gentle example. We’d answer their questions, encourage them and smile at them, not laugh at them or scorn them. It is true, there are ‘ugly Americans from the USA,’ but most are not that. Not at all.

Same with La nuestra Señora, we would be delighted to tell her story, the story of the miracle, and about San Juan Diego, the pitiful slave under the Spanish— yet it was this little peasant she chose to appear to.

Hillary asked who has painted this picture of Our Lady of Guadalupe? Father Monroy’s answer was perfect: God!

It must also be remembered that to us Latinos, to convey the stories of the saints to another soul is considered a great blessing on both of us. We’d be thrilled at the opportunity. It is not an affront to us that people ‘do not know’ everything about matters we hold precious and sacred. We are happy to teach them!

There are those Latinos who are not good people, that is true. We also have our share of the snotty and stuck up, that is true too… those who major in being easily insulted… attempting to put themselves in the path of being insulted whenever possible… so everything must always revolve around them and their upset… thereby thieving the energy of the people to be put to good use elsewhere.

It is true as well, that in the Catholic church at present, there are some few prelates who are more well known for pointing fingers at people and hoping to punish them, than in shepherding others’ souls tirelessly and patiently. But overall, the faith is based, not on a God of earthly politics, but the God of Love.

Thus, for people with hearts and souls even semi-intact, when ignorant or naive questions are asked, especially by a visitor, the visitor is honored with kind answers… and stories… actually the stories start to roll and you might have to tell us Basta already, for we might go on and on telling you way more than you’d like to hear or have time for. We are a storytelling people. Someone’s question is the spark that starts the story engine.

The deeper truth? We respond to those who are new, naive, awkward, ignorant, rookies at matters… mainly because we ourselves already know how little we know of this world. We come from a badly, brutally conquered people and were and are sometimes yet, little wanted except for our backs and our bones… and we are grateful all the way back to ancestral memory, when anyone now helps us by explaining the hidden, the not easily apprehended matters that seem so customary to people who are not us.

We are grateful that anyone reaches to not scorn us with invective, nor to brand us again with name-calling, but to help us… giving to us in generosity of mind, with kindness of soul, with heart in full welcome.

Hillary’s question may have offended some who play los juegos politicos. But she offended no one who tries to live in some proximity to la alma, the soul.

  • Leonidas
    The people she offended most were the people who expect ther Secetary of State to be a little bit more informed when visiting another country.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    ¡muy bien dicho, dr.e.!
  • Stolios
    A thought which came to mind as I read this was that it is so easy for people to tear things down, and yet so much more difficult to build them up. Even with so many issues confronting the governments of the US and Mexico, it remains an unfortunate truth that people will seize upon nearly anything as long as it serves their purpose to criticize.

    Mind you, it apparently means nothing that she was making an important diplomatic visit to Mexico in the first place, or that she made an unexpected visit to the Basilica to perhaps genuinely partake in the the religious culture of Mexico City and Mexico itself, or that she seems to be making legitimate attempts to engage in diplomacy regarding the horrific situation with which border towns on both sides of the border have lately been dealing.

    What matters is an apparently undiplomatic failure to understand something, and an unfortunate desire to learn about it.

    The moral of the story: if you're the secretary of state, say less.

    Yes, of course; that'll show 'em!
  • Ghostdreams
    How sad.
    A great deal of the very people criticizing the woman would have fared no better in such a situation. I know few non-Catholics that are up to date on all of the relics/icons or even the names of the all of the Saints of the Catholic church (as a matter of fact, there's lots of Catholics and lapsed Catholics that fall into the same category - that includes yours truly btw).
    But some folks are taking her to task on this?
    She makes an unplanned stop to leave flowers for Our Lady and makes the mistake of asking a question?
    Oh brother. Over reaction is in the air big time these days, eh? :(
    I appreciate your own personal input and attitudes and, as usual, your balanced and articulate appraisal of the situation Doc. You always give me something to think about!
    Also, thank you for providing the link to the Jazz Shaw post (which I thought to be well spoken). Sad though that some of the people commenting to Jazz's article seem to have slipped off the edge of the "over eager" to bash anything and everything related to the Obama administration.

    Personally, when I've been in other countries, either to visit or to live, I've always found the local folks more than happy to tell me about their history, their customs, language, name it.
    And, for me, the two nations that really stand out in my mind in this regard, are Ireland and Mexico. The inhabitants of both countries seem to be born to storytelling (and better yet, the stories are just incredible and wonderful).
    Also, it's my opinion that the answer given by the priest (when Clinton asked, "Who painted it?" Priest answers: "God!") has:
    1) Probably given that many reply to others who have asked before ...
    Because....
    2) The reply sounds like a "lead in" to a story
    i.e. When the priest answers, "God," then the audience wants to hear more. I - the listener - want to say, "Whoa! Really? Can I hear more about that Father?" At which time I get to hear the story about how the icon came about, perhaps some of the history of how the church in that area developed, maybe some more information on the native peoples of that area, the culture, and so on and so forth - thus the listening audience gets a wonderful story along with the healing and spiritual medicine that comes with such a story and the Priest get's the chance to minister and share his vision of God's love, eh?
    As ever...
    My two cents worth.
    Thanks again for the post Doc!
    Ghost :)
  • observant1
    Leonidas, right on! Madam Secretary's protocol staff needs a good berating. She should have been briefed about where she was going, why she was going there, and what the whole thing signifies. The Basilica of Guadalupe is not just another "church." And she should have been told that.
  • LionAslan
    The Secretary of State knowing these things isnt important to most of us. We teach whoever asks, and with national pride. Los United Statesians can take their own politicians to task about things they think matter. This item doesnt. There is no offense to Our Lady, to the Basilica. Being offended is not what Catholicism is about, despite how some try to spin it. I notice too Dr., this article was picked up and featured by The Wall Street Journal today. ¡Andele! Way to go.
  • jkennedy
    I admire and respect this point of view, but I would like to add one more note of vindication. As was reported in "Politico" today, the image Secretary Clinton was shown was not the original "tilma," but a reproduction, which made her innocent comment, "who painted it?" even more appropriate. Regardless of one's politics, it is clear from Hillary Clinton's career that she is respectful of people's religious beliefs and is, herself, a serious and believing Christian. And as a Senator from New York, she was always attentive to the state's Latino population.
  • vidalita
    You described our latino people in the real light and reminded me that sometimes even when the world is hard to deal with, our connection to la alma reveals and releases our true self. Thanks Dr.Estes!
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