So you attack HER instead of making a substantive comment on what she said.

Okay Green why should I give her the time of day???????????????????????????????

She is a partisan hack. She gets her paycheck by doing EXACTLY what Rush Limbaugh does. How many of you around here spend time……..how did you put it………..”making a substantive comment on what she (He)said.” ?????????????

I have 7 phds. Maybe 4. No 2. I am the smartest man in the world. I know everything. I have written 100 books. I teach at Harvard. Or maybe Im just a redneck drinking beer, whose unemployed and sitting on the front porch on his couch and telling the missus to fetch me another beer. What does it matter?

What matters is that YOU seem to be enamored with a partisan hack. I am not. I am not enamored with Limbaugh and I certainly am not with Maddow or Olberman.

That aside I actually did opine. I guess you just stopped reading after I said she makes me sick.

I said…………..Earth to GOP. Get a clue. Talk about Obama's budget. Not yours. It doesnt matter if you come up with a 100000000 page budget the dems are just going to not invite you to the debate and then have an up and down vote using sleazy methods anyway. Your only hope? Truly moderate democrats that are aghast at this 1.7 trillion dollar extravaganza.

Which is sorta pretty much what she was implying in her piece. Thank you for your time.

And Rhodes scholars can't be annoying?

As a % of GDP, these three presidents are the ONLY ones since WWII who have increased our indebtedness. Those are the facts, m'am. GOP IS the party of fiscal irresponsibility.

From White House figures (including the Reagan, Bush and Bush WH)

http://greendreams.wordpress.com/our-legacy/

As for your China comment, I agree with you. Ever since Nixon opened up to China, we've spent ourselves into the poorhouse on Chinese money. I've said so many times. Administrations and legislatures OF BOTH PARTIES have gone along with this. Now what do you propose we do about it?

Anyway.

Earth to GOP. Get a clue. Talk about Obama's budget. Not yours. It doesnt matter if you come up with a 100000000 page budget the dems are just going to not invite you to the debate and then have an up and down vote using sleazy methods anyway. Your only hope? Truly moderate democrats that are aghast at this 1.7 trillion dollar extravaganza.

I sending away for my Chinese language course now. You all might want to start brushing up on your Chinese as well.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#29904566

Then goes on to take apart the empty plan for what it is: “the biggest tax break for the rich IN HISTORY”

Yep, that was my point as well. That's what I mean by not playing the game; they shouldn't have snapped at the bait of the complaints about not offering alternatives. They either need to come up with credibly detailed plans (and take the appropriate time to do it, not rushing in with a sparse outline of ideas) or just continue to offer principled opposition.

As for your assertion that the Dems are playing a 'heads we win, tails you lose' game…. Perhaps they are…. But I honestly don't know how much involvement the Dems sought from the GOP in the formation of their plans so I can't answer that question meaningfully.

But I will say that it is many Republicans who want Obama to fail, and who, during the stimulus negotiations requested concessions from Dems, which were given to them. Only to have the Republicans still vote against it. I'm not giving the Republicans a benefit of a doubt….. But I'm also not going to discount any games the Dems may be playing….

Anyway, this post is about the (non)plan of teh Republicans, I commented on it- and now I'm waiting to see their full plan. We'll see how popular it is (and it could be very popular with the lower taxes gambit, though I'm not sure people want lower social security and medicare benefits, especially in the face of inflation. At any rate, I don't really have any more informaiton to comment further.

We should give Republicans at least a few more days to come up with a detailed, substantiated, numbers-supported budget that will show us once and for all how we can get out of this economic/financial mess. Then, Democrats should take a close look at it and seriously consider the sound parts of it.

Don't hold your breath on any of that

Boy, was I fooled! Everyone lined up to watch and listen to the Party of No present their 19-page pamphlet, then sat around incredulously as the Party of No bunted. No new ideas, just a broad general outline that essentially is a clone of Bush's failed policies (reduce taxes, deny reality, reduce taxes more, name-calling, reduce taxes even more, and then a miracle occurs) with absolutely no real numbers to examine.

I wanted a meal; the Party of No gave me a puff pastry.

The sense of utter embarrassment among the republicans was palpable. The Party of No had a golden opportunity to step up to the plate and put Obama in his place…and they BLEW IT. Big time.

I have friends who are downright gleeful at this political seppuku moment, going so far as to opine that the republicans are starting to enter Whig Party territory. That's certainly an exaggeration, but you gotta wonder, as they keep hitting new low after new low, just how farther they could drop into irrelevancy.

As for me, in the final analysis, I take no comfort in the continued republican failures and embarrassments of late. Sure, I pointed and laughed like nearly all of America when they finished their little news conference yesterday, and had my little moment of fun. But on further reflection, I would rather have a competent, intelligent republican party putting forth smart, workable ideas instead of watching them fail. This country would be much better off if they did. While I see Obama's path as *a* road to recovery that will work, I would prefer a *better* road to recovery to be presented, if possible. But instead, the Party of No decided to remain…the Party of No. Color me, disappointed.

Skaredykat: “Forgive me D.E. While I go hang out with my ILK somemore” I did not have you pegged as one of Limbaugh's ilk who wants our economy to fail. Your comments and discussions do not lead me to think of you that way. But correct me if I am wrong.

Isn't it typical that the president initiates the process and his party in Congress generally supports it, while the opposition party tries to push back?

I also think it's a bit of a 'heads we win, tails you lose' game that the Dems are playing here. If the GOP did have full alternative plans which differed substantially from the President and Dem Congressional ones, then they're not willing to work in a bipartisan way. If they don't have a plan, then they don't get to participate in negotiations because they're just saying no without offering an alternative.

The only way to win that game is to not play.

It seems that the Dems have been working just as long and were able to offer a thorough plan. It's not as though the Republicans were caught off guard and forced to do this at the last minute…. especially since they've been working day and night for weeks. They al knew the budget plan was due. My thought is that they are responding to the criticism that their plan is lacking in specifics.

But still I'll give them a few more days to come up with a plan as comprehensive as the Democratic plan. I think that's fair. But since the GOP offered this blueprint with few details it is also fair for them to be criticized on it. The GOP was looking for reaction by releasing this blueprint.

The new talking point of the left is to blame everything on the GOP while the democrats slip in this budget thru the backdoor all the while screaming how obstrucionist the GOP is.

Criticizing them for no plan and yet changing the house rules so that everything their peanuts miniority proposes can be shot down immediately.

The democrats are such villians here that I believe the GOP simply wants this insanity to pass and the mass chaos it creates all across the world will be all thats needed to watch the democrats lose 40 house seats and 4 or 5 senate seats in 2010.

The democrats really are proving they are nothing more then toddlers in a candy store with no self discipline and the few that are daring to stand against this insanity are now under attack by Moveon.org and MIchael Moore.

Forgive me D.E. While I go hang out with my ILK somemore.

In the case of the budget it is appropriate for the GOP to be the Party of No to some extent.

Boehner really needs to go. Cantor would be much more effective.

This isn't a defense of the GOP, who by their own runaway spending betrayed the fiscal conservatives that helped put them into power. My point is that there has to be a “Party of No” to some extent as that is a role of the party not in power. While it's reasonable to criticize politicians who blindly mount opposition purely out of partisanship, the “Party of No” accusations now seem to be applied to almost all opposition.

Just saw on the news that a Gallup poll shows that OPTIMISM about the American economy has gone up in two weeks by a whopping 12 percent, from 17 percent to 29 percent.

What a bummer for those who want our economy to fail.

Of course, some will say, this could just be a bleep, one of those “cyclic” things…