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	<title>Comments on: Obama Set the Bar, But GOP Embraces Defense Mechanisms to Thwart His Efforts</title>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, hope you feel better and heal well!</description>
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		<title>By: Jillmz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillmz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could say more but I have to let it go - I&#039;m taking a blogging break for two-four days due to learning this afternoon that I&#039;ve got some tears in some rotator-related muscles and if I don&#039;t rest the arm...so - I appreciate the fleshing out of these points, even the ones upon which we disagree and I&#039;ll have to leave it at that for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could say more but I have to let it go &#8211; I&#39;m taking a blogging break for two-four days due to learning this afternoon that I&#39;ve got some tears in some rotator-related muscles and if I don&#39;t rest the arm&#8230;so &#8211; I appreciate the fleshing out of these points, even the ones upon which we disagree and I&#39;ll have to leave it at that for now.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I do agree with your point that it&#039;s really hard to be a reformer of any sort because people hold you to an impossibly high standard. I guess from where I sit what we&#039;re seeing is so remote from  reformation of the way things are done in DC that I can&#039;t even take the rhetoric about transparency seriously at all, and I can&#039;t agree that the complaints about what is going on are of the nitpicking variety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I do agree with your point that it&#39;s really hard to be a reformer of any sort because people hold you to an impossibly high standard. I guess from where I sit what we&#39;re seeing is so remote from  reformation of the way things are done in DC that I can&#39;t even take the rhetoric about transparency seriously at all, and I can&#39;t agree that the complaints about what is going on are of the nitpicking variety.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillmz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillmz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me say this about that :) - &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I imagine that you/we COULD find some kind of thing similar to the GOP&#039;s automatic &quot;tax cuts solve everything&quot; mantra.  I&#039;d say health care reform but everyone wants that, just not reformed in the same ways. Maybe...something related to a safety net? Or social security or something? I don&#039;t know.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But again - my bigger point in the post was about this double-edged sword of transparency - how it cuts both ways for both sides.  And I think the lack of it during the Bush admin only makes the stated goal to have it all the more stark - I think I wrote that already.  Which means I really should stop! lol&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;About Dodd - one thing: I&#039;m really upset on a personal level over that - I&#039;d always felt he was one of the more consistently acts w/integrity types. I will wait to hear more from him and others about what in the world has gone on and is going on, but I&#039;m very unhappy with what I&#039;m hearing.  Will have to wait for the smoke to clear.  I did hear that Rob Simon or Roger Simon the GOP possibiligy to run against him has polled something like 43-42 beating Dodd.  Having grown up in CT and lived there through my mid-20s, that is really threatening for Dodd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me say this about that <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; </p>
<p>I imagine that you/we COULD find some kind of thing similar to the GOP&#39;s automatic &#8220;tax cuts solve everything&#8221; mantra.  I&#39;d say health care reform but everyone wants that, just not reformed in the same ways. Maybe&#8230;something related to a safety net? Or social security or something? I don&#39;t know.</p>
<p>But again &#8211; my bigger point in the post was about this double-edged sword of transparency &#8211; how it cuts both ways for both sides.  And I think the lack of it during the Bush admin only makes the stated goal to have it all the more stark &#8211; I think I wrote that already.  Which means I really should stop! lol</p>
<p>About Dodd &#8211; one thing: I&#39;m really upset on a personal level over that &#8211; I&#39;d always felt he was one of the more consistently acts w/integrity types. I will wait to hear more from him and others about what in the world has gone on and is going on, but I&#39;m very unhappy with what I&#39;m hearing.  Will have to wait for the smoke to clear.  I did hear that Rob Simon or Roger Simon the GOP possibiligy to run against him has polled something like 43-42 beating Dodd.  Having grown up in CT and lived there through my mid-20s, that is really threatening for Dodd.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point about the comparison to withdrawing from Iraq is that in both cases, the opposition party is simply opposing the majority&#039;s policy and what they offer in alternative is a refusal to engage the premise of the majority&#039;s policy. That&#039;s simply what happens when there&#039;s a fundamental difference of philosophy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the conference committee meeting- my own Congressman, Tom Price (6th district GA) put this video out the day that it happened:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20090211135318.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/2...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I already said that I think the GOP who signed off on the compromise bill were wrong to do so. I have no idea what their rationale was but the fact is that the bill was already inked before they even got to the meeting (at least if we believe what Pelosi and Reid told the press just after noon that day.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point about the comparison to withdrawing from Iraq is that in both cases, the opposition party is simply opposing the majority&#39;s policy and what they offer in alternative is a refusal to engage the premise of the majority&#39;s policy. That&#39;s simply what happens when there&#39;s a fundamental difference of philosophy.</p>
<p>On the conference committee meeting- my own Congressman, Tom Price (6th district GA) put this video out the day that it happened:<br /><a href="http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20090211135318.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/2&#8230;</a></p>
<p>I already said that I think the GOP who signed off on the compromise bill were wrong to do so. I have no idea what their rationale was but the fact is that the bill was already inked before they even got to the meeting (at least if we believe what Pelosi and Reid told the press just after noon that day.)</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good gosh though, &lt;a href=&quot;http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/18/breaking-i-was-responsible-for-bonus-loophole-says-dodd/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it seems you&#039;re right about Dodd.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I had presumed that he wouldn&#039;t have told a bald faced lie when he&#039;d said that he didn&#039;t insert the exemption into his amendment- though I&#039;m not sure why I gave him that presumption of innocence.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m getting whiplash from going back and forth on my opinion of his culpability here. Yesterday I was all over him, today I felt bad because I thought that he&#039;d been set up- and now it seems that he deserved the scorn and then some for lying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good gosh though, <a href="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/18/breaking-i-was-responsible-for-bonus-loophole-says-dodd/" rel="nofollow">it seems you&#39;re right about Dodd.</a></p>
<p>I had presumed that he wouldn&#39;t have told a bald faced lie when he&#39;d said that he didn&#39;t insert the exemption into his amendment- though I&#39;m not sure why I gave him that presumption of innocence.</p>
<p>I&#39;m getting whiplash from going back and forth on my opinion of his culpability here. Yesterday I was all over him, today I felt bad because I thought that he&#39;d been set up- and now it seems that he deserved the scorn and then some for lying.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillmz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillmz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To your first graph re: who was/wasn&#039;t there: I can accept all that as true even though there&#039;s no citations etc to the fact that that&#039;s what is being reported, fine.  But you don&#039;t seem to be concerned in the least that those four men somehow chose to not be there - are you suggesting they were tossed out? What was the condition/context under which they weren&#039;t there?  Seriously - there failure to be there can&#039;t automatically be blamed on Dems doing stuff behind their back - it was their job to be there - why weren&#039;t they - neither of us knows at this moment, right?  Likewise, who puts their name to something like that who hasn&#039;t been involved? Are you suggesting they signed it under duress?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I disagree with you equating tax cuts to troop withdrawal.  Tax cuts are a traditional tool in the GOP toolbox.  Withdrawal from a war that&#039;s draining billions of dollars and getting no where, that was started under false pretenses is not comparable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To your first graph re: who was/wasn&#39;t there: I can accept all that as true even though there&#39;s no citations etc to the fact that that&#39;s what is being reported, fine.  But you don&#39;t seem to be concerned in the least that those four men somehow chose to not be there &#8211; are you suggesting they were tossed out? What was the condition/context under which they weren&#39;t there?  Seriously &#8211; there failure to be there can&#39;t automatically be blamed on Dems doing stuff behind their back &#8211; it was their job to be there &#8211; why weren&#39;t they &#8211; neither of us knows at this moment, right?  Likewise, who puts their name to something like that who hasn&#39;t been involved? Are you suggesting they signed it under duress?</p>
<p>I disagree with you equating tax cuts to troop withdrawal.  Tax cuts are a traditional tool in the GOP toolbox.  Withdrawal from a war that&#39;s draining billions of dollars and getting no where, that was started under false pretenses is not comparable.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the reconciliation process- there was a closed door meeting at noontime with no GOP invited. Afterward the announcement went out to the press that negotiations had been concluded. Then there was the scheduled meeting at 3:00 with those Republicans present. Now mind you, to me they shouldn&#039;t have signed off on it- but the fact is that they weren&#039;t there during the actual reconcilation process when changes were made (and obviously would have had zero chance of reading through to see what changes had been made, especially since no one had even had time to read the bills through the first time.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On whether or not &#039;tax cuts&#039; is a serious alternative proposal, I feel the same way about the things you mention that the Dems put forward as alternative proposals on Iraq. Their proposals were of the form &quot;this is not going to get better, we&#039;re not going to win, so we want to wind it down&quot; just as the GOP proposals on tax cuts represent the idea that we&#039;re not going to fix a debt problem by borrowing more money. And you didn&#039;t acknowledge that I just gave you an example of a serious counterproposal which did include other things besides tax cuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the reconciliation process- there was a closed door meeting at noontime with no GOP invited. Afterward the announcement went out to the press that negotiations had been concluded. Then there was the scheduled meeting at 3:00 with those Republicans present. Now mind you, to me they shouldn&#39;t have signed off on it- but the fact is that they weren&#39;t there during the actual reconcilation process when changes were made (and obviously would have had zero chance of reading through to see what changes had been made, especially since no one had even had time to read the bills through the first time.)</p>
<p>On whether or not &#39;tax cuts&#39; is a serious alternative proposal, I feel the same way about the things you mention that the Dems put forward as alternative proposals on Iraq. Their proposals were of the form &#8220;this is not going to get better, we&#39;re not going to win, so we want to wind it down&#8221; just as the GOP proposals on tax cuts represent the idea that we&#39;re not going to fix a debt problem by borrowing more money. And you didn&#39;t acknowledge that I just gave you an example of a serious counterproposal which did include other things besides tax cuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillmz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillmz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CStanley - there were four Republicans on that conference committee for ARRA - I know because I wrote about how irate I was that there were all men and no women on it, and four of the men were:  Dave Camp, Jerry Lewis, Thad Cochran and Chuck Grasseley.  I&#039;m not sure why you think there were no GOP people in on the reconciliation process who had to sign off before it went to Obama.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s something from HuffPo on the who stole the cookie re: Wyden-Snowe amendment - I really wasn&#039;t following it closely when I heard about it so I&#039;m just providing the link for reference:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/18/congress-white-house-poin_n_176412.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/18/congre...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Call it what you want re: tax cut pushes:  I don&#039;t equate repeating a party plank of &quot;tax cuts are the only thing that can work&quot; as doing anything other than saying no - it&#039;s none too subtle a tactic, but the result and the intent is precisely the same - you want to finesse me here and saying I&#039;m moving goalposts, whatever.  I believe you know what I&#039;m saying.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for Dem opposition AND provisions of alternatives to Gitmo, rendition and wiretapping - I believe the latter two don&#039;t really require an alternative - people object to them because one is outright torture and the other is outright wrong.  They don&#039;t need to be replaced with anything - they need to stop, period.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am not familiar enough with whether Dems failed to provide alternative ideas for Gitmo - it&#039;s easy for me to say that I find that hard to believe, but the truth is I just don&#039;t know what they did whenever they said &quot;close Gitmo.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CStanley &#8211; there were four Republicans on that conference committee for ARRA &#8211; I know because I wrote about how irate I was that there were all men and no women on it, and four of the men were:  Dave Camp, Jerry Lewis, Thad Cochran and Chuck Grasseley.  I&#39;m not sure why you think there were no GOP people in on the reconciliation process who had to sign off before it went to Obama.  </p>
<p>Here&#39;s something from HuffPo on the who stole the cookie re: Wyden-Snowe amendment &#8211; I really wasn&#39;t following it closely when I heard about it so I&#39;m just providing the link for reference:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/18/congress-white-house-poin_n_176412.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/18/congre&#8230;</a></p>
<p>Call it what you want re: tax cut pushes:  I don&#39;t equate repeating a party plank of &#8220;tax cuts are the only thing that can work&#8221; as doing anything other than saying no &#8211; it&#39;s none too subtle a tactic, but the result and the intent is precisely the same &#8211; you want to finesse me here and saying I&#39;m moving goalposts, whatever.  I believe you know what I&#39;m saying.</p>
<p>As for Dem opposition AND provisions of alternatives to Gitmo, rendition and wiretapping &#8211; I believe the latter two don&#39;t really require an alternative &#8211; people object to them because one is outright torture and the other is outright wrong.  They don&#39;t need to be replaced with anything &#8211; they need to stop, period.</p>
<p>I am not familiar enough with whether Dems failed to provide alternative ideas for Gitmo &#8211; it&#39;s easy for me to say that I find that hard to believe, but the truth is I just don&#39;t know what they did whenever they said &#8220;close Gitmo.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As for AIG, I heard this afternoon that Dodd supposedly was the one who, after the bonus provision in the stimulus was pulled out, put it back in - I have not confirmed that yet - but there were GOP members of Congress on that conference committee and they signed off on whatever was then sent to Obama.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Uh, no. I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re referring to about Dodd, but my whole gripe with this whole issue is that the changes were made during the reconciliation process between the Senate and House bills, which was a closed door meeting with no Republicans present. I don&#039;t know who is responsible for adding the clause which specifically exempted the preexisting contracts, or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20180.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;who was responsible for stripping out the Snowe-Wyden amendment &lt;/a&gt; which also would have put some restrictions- but I do know it wasn&#039;t a Republican (that&#039;s not to say that I think they&#039;re blameless either or would put it past them- but they simply weren&#039;t in the room so we can defniitely say it was a Democrat in the library with the lead pipe.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for tax cuts not being a solution, first, you&#039;re now moving the goal posts. Your original argument was that they can&#039;t get past saying no, and now your saying you just don&#039;t take their proposal seriously. And second, there were additional measures proposed besides tax cuts (Martinez, for example, had a package that was a combination of tax cuts, mortgage relief, and increased unemployment comp.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I&#039;ll concede your point about timeline proposals and such on Iraq- I suppose a better example would be on policies like Gitmo, extraordinary rendition, and wiretapping- where even now that the Dems have the reins the policies aren&#039;t really changing in substance that much because there simply aren&#039;t any good solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As for AIG, I heard this afternoon that Dodd supposedly was the one who, after the bonus provision in the stimulus was pulled out, put it back in &#8211; I have not confirmed that yet &#8211; but there were GOP members of Congress on that conference committee and they signed off on whatever was then sent to Obama.</i></p>
<p>Uh, no. I&#39;m not sure what you&#39;re referring to about Dodd, but my whole gripe with this whole issue is that the changes were made during the reconciliation process between the Senate and House bills, which was a closed door meeting with no Republicans present. I don&#39;t know who is responsible for adding the clause which specifically exempted the preexisting contracts, or <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20180.html" rel="nofollow">who was responsible for stripping out the Snowe-Wyden amendment </a> which also would have put some restrictions- but I do know it wasn&#39;t a Republican (that&#39;s not to say that I think they&#39;re blameless either or would put it past them- but they simply weren&#39;t in the room so we can defniitely say it was a Democrat in the library with the lead pipe.)</p>
<p>As for tax cuts not being a solution, first, you&#39;re now moving the goal posts. Your original argument was that they can&#39;t get past saying no, and now your saying you just don&#39;t take their proposal seriously. And second, there were additional measures proposed besides tax cuts (Martinez, for example, had a package that was a combination of tax cuts, mortgage relief, and increased unemployment comp.)</p>
<p>And I&#39;ll concede your point about timeline proposals and such on Iraq- I suppose a better example would be on policies like Gitmo, extraordinary rendition, and wiretapping- where even now that the Dems have the reins the policies aren&#39;t really changing in substance that much because there simply aren&#39;t any good solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillmz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillmz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi CStanley.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When I think of lawmakers not moving past no, I&#039;m talking about lawmakers who perseverate on pushing the only kinds of solutions or alternatives they ever push: tax cuts.  Doesn&#039;t matter what has been placed in front of them - the alternative is tax cuts, and if the tax cuts aren&#039;t what they want, then they say no.  That is what happened with the ARRA, despite the removal and shifting of numerous provisions from the bill, at the House, Senate and conference committee level.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[As for AIG, I heard this afternoon that Dodd supposedly was the one who, after the bonus provision in the stimulus was pulled out, put it back in - I have not confirmed that yet - but there were GOP members of Congress on that conference committee and they signed off on whatever was then sent to Obama.]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Did I feel the same when Dems were in the minority and were criticizing the war and other policies without offering alternative?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think that question is inaccurate from the get-go - they did offer alternatives - they wanted a timeline, Bush said no.  They wanted troop withdrawals - don&#039;t you remember how Bush said no no no and then eventually did say yes?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Plus, just a reminder - I live one congressional district over from Dennis Kucinich and his constant disagreement w/and offering up of alternatives to the war practically makeup for all of Ohio&#039;s other Dems to whatever extent you might be able to say they didn&#039;t do anything but say no. /some sarcasm there - we love our Dennis, though probably not for the reasons he&#039;d like us too. :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The truer answer would be this: I started blogging in July 2005, and for purposes related only to my freelance writing work.  I started to follow local politics in the blogs that winter and then more nationally only in terms of Ohio&#039;s senate race between Sherrod Brown and Mike DeWine.  I always read up etc. but I never followed politics the way I have been before 2007.  So - it would be dishonest for me to say, by God, Yes! I picked on the Dems too for eight years - the truth is, I only was paying attention to whatever I heard about on the radio or read in the newspapers or magazines.  I was not a wonk the way I am now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But - I also have to add that the whole pick on the left/pick on the right thing - it&#039;s exhausting and usually with little achieved.  Which is why this post is primarily about how transparency is a double-edged sword and Obama set it up that way, for better or worse, and the GOP is seizing on that - as anyone might expect opponents to do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And lost in all that is getting things done and getting them done in a way that has the best chance to improve our economy, our society and our lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi CStanley.</p>
<p>When I think of lawmakers not moving past no, I&#39;m talking about lawmakers who perseverate on pushing the only kinds of solutions or alternatives they ever push: tax cuts.  Doesn&#39;t matter what has been placed in front of them &#8211; the alternative is tax cuts, and if the tax cuts aren&#39;t what they want, then they say no.  That is what happened with the ARRA, despite the removal and shifting of numerous provisions from the bill, at the House, Senate and conference committee level.</p>
<p>[As for AIG, I heard this afternoon that Dodd supposedly was the one who, after the bonus provision in the stimulus was pulled out, put it back in - I have not confirmed that yet - but there were GOP members of Congress on that conference committee and they signed off on whatever was then sent to Obama.]</p>
<p>Did I feel the same when Dems were in the minority and were criticizing the war and other policies without offering alternative?</p>
<p>I think that question is inaccurate from the get-go &#8211; they did offer alternatives &#8211; they wanted a timeline, Bush said no.  They wanted troop withdrawals &#8211; don&#39;t you remember how Bush said no no no and then eventually did say yes?</p>
<p>Plus, just a reminder &#8211; I live one congressional district over from Dennis Kucinich and his constant disagreement w/and offering up of alternatives to the war practically makeup for all of Ohio&#39;s other Dems to whatever extent you might be able to say they didn&#39;t do anything but say no. /some sarcasm there &#8211; we love our Dennis, though probably not for the reasons he&#39;d like us too. <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The truer answer would be this: I started blogging in July 2005, and for purposes related only to my freelance writing work.  I started to follow local politics in the blogs that winter and then more nationally only in terms of Ohio&#39;s senate race between Sherrod Brown and Mike DeWine.  I always read up etc. but I never followed politics the way I have been before 2007.  So &#8211; it would be dishonest for me to say, by God, Yes! I picked on the Dems too for eight years &#8211; the truth is, I only was paying attention to whatever I heard about on the radio or read in the newspapers or magazines.  I was not a wonk the way I am now.</p>
<p>But &#8211; I also have to add that the whole pick on the left/pick on the right thing &#8211; it&#39;s exhausting and usually with little achieved.  Which is why this post is primarily about how transparency is a double-edged sword and Obama set it up that way, for better or worse, and the GOP is seizing on that &#8211; as anyone might expect opponents to do.</p>
<p>And lost in all that is getting things done and getting them done in a way that has the best chance to improve our economy, our society and our lives.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you explain what you are talking about in regard to not moving past saying no? Any specific examples? On just about every issue, the GOP has put forth alternatives. You may not agree with them (I don&#039;t agree with a lot of what they&#039;ve offered either) but I don&#039;t see any substantiation of the claim that there&#039;s nothing being offered.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And just for the record, did you feel the same when the Democrats were in the minority and the GOP controlled both the WH and Congress? Those of us on the right constantly complained that the left was criticizing the war and other policies without offering alternative (a charge that I believe was more true then than it is now.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you explain what you are talking about in regard to not moving past saying no? Any specific examples? On just about every issue, the GOP has put forth alternatives. You may not agree with them (I don&#39;t agree with a lot of what they&#39;ve offered either) but I don&#39;t see any substantiation of the claim that there&#39;s nothing being offered.</p>
<p>And just for the record, did you feel the same when the Democrats were in the minority and the GOP controlled both the WH and Congress? Those of us on the right constantly complained that the left was criticizing the war and other policies without offering alternative (a charge that I believe was more true then than it is now.)</p>
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