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Learn About Stem Cell Research Before Rejecting It (Guest Voice)

Learn About Stem Cell Research Before Rejecting It

by Jim Bell

There has been much in the blogosphere during the last week concerning stem cell research, all of which seemingly triggered by Obama’s reversal of Bush’s policy to deny government funding for stem cell research. Arguments from the right consistently state that stem cell research is morally wrong because the cells being used come from embryos which are destroyed when the cells are taken for the research. From the left, a wave of praise that the research is now being allowed; now we can focus on finding cures for many diseases that have proved difficult, if not impossible to tackle for the last century.

The research has always been allowed, conservatives say, it has merely been denied funding from the government. The only change is where the money comes from.

This is like listening to insurance companies say that they are not denying coverage when they refuse to pay for a surgical procedure-they are just denying payment.

That argument will only wash if the client being denied has the money for the operation in the first place. The same holds true with stem cell research. Most medical research happens in Universities and most of that research is funded by government grants specifically set forth for said research. Conservatives know this already, so they should can that argument.

If you take a look at how this stem cell research happens it doesn’t seem so outrageous. One would think from listening to arguments against these programs that the laboratories had stables of young women intentionally getting pregnant and aborting their fetuses-or that these labs had harvesting teams camped outside of abortion clinics to collect tissue from freshly aborted fetuses–solely for the purpose of providing the necessary stem cells so the labs can have a steady supply to conduct their research. All of the recent preaching against this research on the grounds that this represents killing, or that it is stopping a potential life, is gobbledygook. These stem cells are taken from cultures generated in a laboratory environment and grown in Petri dishes. Yes, they are from a laboratory fertilization process that results in embryos.

To take the moral high ground here would be one thing if these cells were taken from aborted fetuses, but they are not. In fact, the largest religious organization in the United States, The Catholic Church, frowns on using this
type of embryo to achieve pregnancy anyway. They don’t approve of in vitro fertilization. So if this type of embryo shouldn’t be used to create life in the first place (according to the Catholic Church), what should be done with them? Why not use them in medical research? But wait; can’t we use other types of cells so we can avoid this dilemma concerning morals and ethics? According to The National Institutes of Health resource for stem cell research informational website, embryonic stem cells have two interesting characteristics:

“First, they are unspecialized cells that renew themselves for long periods through cell division. The second is that under certain physiologic or experimental conditions, they can be induced to become cells with special functions such as the beating cells of the heart muscle or the insulin-producing cells of the pancreas.”

Adult stem cells also have an enormous range of research possibilities, but embryonic stem cells are showing more promise because they have a greater flexibility of application. In layman’s terms, these cells can be shaped, or programmed if you will, to morph into any type of cell in the body. The scientific community is making tremendous progress in finding new ways to further stimulate these cells to achieve many desired end results that ultimately will make life for ailing and aging humans not only more bearable, but possibly bring about a complete return to disease free life. That translates into high quality life for many whom up until now had such low quality of life that they have lost all hope for anything but death.

Where is the moral high ground in fighting that?

Jim Bell was born in Missouri in 1950 and is a graduate of the University of Missouri with a degree in Creative writing/Journalism. He spent over 20 years in the newspaper business and worked in production. He now lives in the Denver area with his wife and runs a blog called The Sensible Approach. He says: “I view myself as slightly to the right of center politically. My views are slightly conservative on the economy and foreign policy and liberal on human rights. It is my opinion that life for the average American goes smoother when there is a balance between the Democrats and Republicans in both houses of congress. Our comfort lies in the fact that a balance of power means that both parties must compromise to get anything done.”

  • Lynx
    I should note initially that I'm very much in favor of ESC research. I would also not deny that there is a great deal of ignorance about the issue, on what the cells are, where they come from and their potential. However I feel this post fails to address the core objection of those that oppose ESC research and therefore fails to adequately refute said objection.

    The core objection of course is that these cells are derived from human embryos in a way that necessitates the destruction of the embryo. Those that oppose this research assert that a human embryo is more or less equivalent to a human being and is therefore endowed with rights, most notably the right to live.

    Now I disagree vehemently with that assertion and also think that it generally exists within the context of religious beliefs about souls that have no place in scientific discussions, but unless you address this argument, you cannot simply say that the issue is that people who oppose ESC research are lacking in knowledge of the subject. You can be 100% conscious of the intricacies of the research and still oppose it, so clearly ignorance is not the only or even the chief issue, I think.
  • CStanley
    More importantly, this post completely ignores the blatant misrepresentation by those who have pushed for ESRC funding. Those lobbying for it have led people to believe that if we would fund the ESCR, cures for all sorts of diseases are on the horizon, even though the only real cures so far are coming from the adult stem cell research (for which there are no ethical objections) and hurdles remain with the embryonic cells' tendency to mutate and to cause host rejection. On top of that, scientists have found ways to convert normal adult cells into ones with the characteristics of embryonic cells (although there are still hurdles with that as well due to the use of retroviruses and potential for cancers as well.)

    So yes, the author is right that we should 'learn about stem cell research'; however, he needs to take his own advice. This article was nothing more than a rehash of all of the political talking points, with very little basis in scientific fact (with a straw man thrown in, as Lynx points out, because no one is arguing that ESC involves "stables of young women intentionally getting pregnant and aborting their fetuses.")
  • Skaredykatt
    Until you agree upon the starting premise of the debate you will never reach a conclusion.

    As Lynx stated her assertion:

    Those that oppose this research assert that a human embryo is more or less equivalent to a human being and is therefore endowed with rights, most notably the right to live.

    To which she then responded to her own assertion:

    Now I disagree vehemently with that assertion and also think that it generally exists within the context of religious beliefs about souls that have no place in scientific discussions, but unless you address this argument, you cannot simply say that the issue is that people who oppose ESC research are lacking in knowledge of the subject.

    I believe there is much validity in this assertion and until you clear this up there will never be a reconcilliation of both sides of the argument.
  • GeorgeSorwell
    There isn't going to be a reconciliation of both sides of this argument.

    In addition, because the gulf between the arguments is so wide, each side will always believe the other is guilty of misrepresentation when all they do is make their own case.
  • CStanley
    George- ordinarily that's true but what is telling is that even many people who supported the overturn of the funding ban recognize that the people on their side of the debate have grossly distorted the issues in order to build popular support.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

    http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_11900353



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
    (yes, I know Krauthammer is a conservative but he's been a supporter of the federal funding for ESCR from the beginning.)

    And finally, I don't know where this author stands (I believe he may not be pro-ESCR) but he gives a thorough explanation of the falsity of claims that opposing ESCR is 'anti-science':
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
  • mikkel
    "and hurdles remain with the embryonic cells' tendency to mutate and to cause host rejection."

    Are you talking about host derived cells or foreign? The plan always has been to just create clones for individuals, but I dunno how much they're doing with that.
  • CStanley
    I assume you're asking about the host rejection part? The point is that if you use a genetically different embryonic cell (such as one derived from a discarded IVF embryo, which I think are currently the only ones they're allowed to use), then you'll always face the issues of histologic incompatibility. So I'm pointing out the fallacy of the political rhetoric which has led people to believe that that particular type of cell research was the key to cures for disease.

    As I understand it, the scientists who've been championing ESCR want to study those embryos for basic research, not for finding medical cures directly from those cells- yet in the politicization, people have been led to believe otherwise.
  • mikkel
    I don't know how things could be written like "In all these areas, politics ought to govern, with science merely its handmaiden" in that last op-ed when the support for federal funding is nearly 2:1 in opinion polls. Both that and the Denver post one used rhetorical devices to make it seem like Obama was scheming in the backroom with a small cadre of scientists to impose their will on the masses, when in truth it's one of the most popular stances in politics.

    Also the Denver Post op-ed had false equivalency to nuclear energy and GM foods, as if people oppose that on moral grounds. Actually the vast majority that oppose those feel the risks (meltdown, storage, mining; corporate control, mutation, unpredictable interaction with nature) outweigh the rewards, so it's a tangible, material argument.

    It probably would have been better if instead of saying that it was against science to be against ESR Obama just said it was impossible to answer and a large majority are for it so that's why he did it.
  • CStanley
    It's popular because the debate has been based on false premises, Mikkel.

    And I think you're making a false distinction between moral opposition and the 'tangible material' arguments. Ethics can and should also fall under the category of material arguments, and to give just one example based on GM foods, part of the opposition is that this technology will commodify food sources so that farmers will no longer be able to use their own seed for crops, they'll have to purchase the patented seeds. The core of that argument is not a whole lot different than the libertarian argument against the use of human embryos (not that people will be forced to purchase them- but just that once we permit this, we've accepted that one form of human life exists as a commodity to be manipulated by our technology, and there are implications to that which affect human freedoms.)

    It probably would have been better if instead of saying that it was against science to be against ESR Obama just said it was impossible to answer and a large majority are for it so that's why he did it.
    Yeah, ya think?
  • mikkel
    Well yeah they want to just do basic research at the moment, but I'm saying that part of the research has shown that if you make a cloned embryo then there isn't much chance of rejection. I've always said that cloning and embryonic stem cells go hand in hand...and I'll admit that it is something that has been obfuscated because people would respond to negatively to cloning...so I guess the politicians are waiting until they had "proven" cures and then bring up the cloning aspect. The scientists have never beat around the bush about that.

    The greater point for stem cell scientists though is that all the direction about adult stem cells comes from embryonic research. Even the most promising advances still have the researchers requesting that embryonic continue so they can better see how to manipulate theirs. Of course that technique would be far preferred if it worked so there wouldn't have to be cloning, but for many experiments about actual differentiation I think they'll want to use embryonic for a long time for research.

    I dunno on stuff like this I'm too close to the actual understanding to have any idea about what the political rhetoric is, so I have no idea what most people are expecting. If they think it'll bring cures in the next decade then obviously they are wrong, but on the other hand, they've treated "alzhemiers," paralysis, kidney failure, burns and a host of other intractable problems in mice just over the last 8 years when this was first brought up. It's been amazing how quickly it's worked in mice (it even slowed aging), and is a case where they are getting positive results faster than they know entirely what's going on. Maybe human cures aren't that far away, who knows?
  • CStanley
    I guess the politicians are waiting until they had "proven" cures and then bring up the cloning aspect. The scientists have never beat around the bush about that.

    And yet you complain when someone alludes to this type of manipulation of public opinion as cloak room politics.
  • CStanley
    And aside from all that, even if all these cures do come more quickly as you suggest they might, where is the pubic policy debate on how that is going to affect health care costs and entitlement spending as people begin living past 100?
  • Those lobbying for it have led people to believe that if we would fund the ESCR, cures for all sorts of diseases are on the horizon

    This is the heart of research isn't it? Scientific inquiry is never certain, in other words, you never know until you try.
    And aside from all that, even if all these cures do come more quickly as you suggest they might, where is the pubic policy debate on how that is going to affect health care costs and entitlement spending as people begin living past 100?

    Come now. There are any number of medical procedures and medicine that have extended the average lifespan. Should we start debating whether or not to allow cancer treatment, heart transplants, pacemakers and AIDS medicines?
  • mikkel
    No I was complaining about the characterization of the policy as being anti-Democratic when it has wide support. There is a difference. If he had written about that and said it was being shielded I wouldn't have had a problem. I had no problem with the first article talking about all the challenges and how far away things were.

    I have no problem with opponents trying to change people's minds by talking about all the facts and trying to get a majority against it. I might think the reasons to be against it are stupid, but there is nothing inherently wrong with believing otherwise so I can't get upset about people trying to get popular support against it. Now if an opponent said "they aren't telling you about the cloning aspect and the length of time it'll take to develop cures" and then proponents said "oh no we don't need to clone because it's easy to get around that and we'll have it next year" then of course I'd be against that because it's a lie.

    Just like how I had no problem with people trying to convince others that we should go into Iraq but I had a huge problem with them saying that it would be easy when there was a CIA report that was against it, and that when opponents pointed this out they were attacked. I wasn't angry because the report existed and they weren't discussing it widely, but that those who did were marginalized and not allowed to speak.

    Now again I act differently because I always just put down everything I know when arguing something and then say what I conclude. I've noticed almost no one else does that though so I've had to settle for being placated by people telling the truth and not doing character attacks. On that I have no idea really how much they have stretched the truth because I don't keep up with the public message, and like I already said, looking at it as a whole I feel it is inappropriate of him to say what amounted to a character attack when it's really just a question of subjective morals. This goes back to the thing that you disagree with my standards for popular discourse.
  • CStanley
    Even though this isn't terribly current, it gives a great overview of the distortions of the political debate and how that has affected public opinion.

    http://www.csicop.org/scienceandmedia/stem-cell...

    Oddly, I can't find much in the way of major surveys after 2007, but during that time (when Bush vetoed the funding bill) the Pew survey showed public support for the funding at 51%, not the 70% claimed by Pelosi (and which seems to have taken hold, as many people are saying support is at 2/3 or more.) I think those numbers come from earlier polls where people were asked specifically if they supported 'ethical ESCR" or something along those lines- which could mean many different things to different people. The Pew poll I mentioned had it like this:
    All in all, which is more important: conducting stem cell research that might result in new medical cures, or not destroying the potential life of human embryos involved in this research?

    Conducting stem cell research
    51%

    Not destroying potential life
    35%

    Unsure
    14%
    Source: Pew Research Center for the People and the Press
    Methodology: Telephone interviews to 3,002 American adults, conducted from Aug. 1 to Aug. 18, 2007. Margin of error is 2 per cent.


    I think there was an ABC poll recently showing that 59% of Americans favored 'loosening the restrictions' as Obama just did- but given that many people seemed to not even realize that the research wasn't banned, just the federal funding- I'm not inclined to put much faith in that since many people didn't even know what restrictions were really in place.
  • CStanley
    Chris: You never know until you try, but the public lobbying for ESCR has specifically led people to believe that these treatments are imminent (if only we get rid of the opposition which seeks to oppose science!) This has been done specifically for the purpose of overcoming people's longstanding discomfort with the ethics of the situation (the article I linked to in my previous comment describes that before money was poured into ads like the Michael J. Fox one, there were solid majorities that opposed ESCR- prior to 2001.)

    And yes, I do think that we ought to be debating all of the medical advances in terms of 'where do we stop', but this technology in particular should be part of the debate because it opens up whole new avenues (many chronic diseases like diabetes would be managed with this technology if it's successful, and cancer might become more of a chronic disease condition instead of an often terminal illness.)
  • CStanley
    what amounted to a character attack

    Are you talking about this as a character attack on Obama? You have to be joking- Obama is the one who keeps referring to the Bush administration's 'opposition to science'. That's not a character attack?

    Bush had the guts to allow federal funding for the original cell lines, after Clinton kicked the ball down the road. That was, as I indicated before, when the majority of the public was queasy about the whole thing to begin with. Yet instead of getting any credit at all, the public has largely been convinced that he was anti-science, just because he also had the courage to draw ethical lines and stick by them.

    At least if you're going to refuse to engage arguments that you feel are ad hominem, then be consistent please and call out Obama himself when he does this.
  • but the public lobbying for ESCR has specifically led people to believe that these treatments are imminent (if only we get rid of the opposition which seeks to oppose science!) This has been done specifically for the purpose of overcoming people's longstanding discomfort with the ethics of the situation

    I'm not really sure how this changes anything if true. I've always been under the impression that celebrities like Michael J. Fox, Nancy Reagan and Christopher Reeve believed that ESCR held the potential to cure them and their loved ones, or at least mitigate the symptoms. I've never heard anything about how these treatments were imminent if the funding wasn't denied. Instead, the argument seemed to be that these treatments would either never be found, or delayed.

    I don't see that argument as untrue or unfair, especially given the counter-argument which is that the embryos' rights outweigh the potential for scientific and medical discovery.

    but this technology in particular should be part of the debate because it opens up whole new avenues (many chronic diseases like diabetes would be managed with this technology if it's successful, and cancer might become more of a chronic disease condition instead of an often terminal illness.)

    Which is exactly why most people (according to your poll numbers) don't oppose this type of research. You should probably stick to the moral argument about embryos, because saying that a treatment for cancer is bad will probably convince more people to support ESCR.
  • CStanley
    No I was complaining about the characterization of the policy as being anti-Democratic when it has wide support. There is a difference. If he had written about that and said it was being shielded I wouldn't have had a problem

    The entire article talked about what you said he should have talked about. I guess he could have more explicitly said that the politics have been distorted, but he's outlining the general problem with turning over the details to 'science' instead of framing the political debates on both the pros and cons of the scientific advances.

    I don't think he referred to the policiy as anti-Democratic, he just said it was a failure of governance. It's one of those cases where good governance has additional responsibilities besides taking a head count of supporters (especially when those supporters may well have been misled about what they're expressing support for.)
  • CStanley
    You should probably stick to the moral argument about embryos, because saying that a treatment for cancer is bad will probably convince more people to support ESCR.

    You're probably right in the sense that the vast majority of people are completely incapable of seeing that society's best interest may not always coincide with what they see as their own individual self interest.

    I'm not advancing the idea of discussing cost as a means of trying to reduce support for ESCR- I'm just predicting that we're going to have disastrous results if we continue on the current course because it's completely unsustainable. Somewhere along the line we have to decide if we want everyone to have access to affordable basic health care or if we want to push the envelope of what medical research can do to prolong our lives.
  • mikkel
    No I meant Obama had a character attack against opponents and I think I will write a post about it.

    About the opinion polls, I think the greater issue is it went up to 70% after they asked whether they'd support it if a family member was affected, which was a 15% increase...

    The polls I was citing was this one and another one in 2006.

    Anyway I don't see how you can just say that the public was manipulated into supporting it by pointing out that solid majorities were opposed prior to 2001, when it wasn't even an issue and no one had heard about it.

    Quite frankly you can get any poll to say just about anything based on how you word it because people are on the whole ignorant and have weak core understanding of things so they latch onto keywords. Then once they commit to a position they tend to stick with it to avoid cognitive dissonance. Don't even get me started about the tricks used to appeal to the subconscious emotional appeal and what not. To be honest I'm getting pretty cynical about public discourse in general (I didn't feel that good when Obama won because I was hoping that people would back him for his policies that I felt were amazing and yet when I saw the type of his broad support I knew that people were going to mostly disengage again and just expect him to fix everything) but I don't see anything out of bounds in what you're complaining about based on the low bar.

    I have a real big problem with the idea that our politicians should go by individual ethical lines and stick by it. I think it is insane that policy does a 180 based on whether 51% of people voted for one guy instead of the other, especially when there are tons of factors. If I were to run for office I'd campaign on the idea that there are a few core inalienable rights that I'd always stand for and mark those in stone, and then say everything else I'd just vote on what my constituents want regardless of whether I support that side or not. I would do my best to try to convince people to change their minds, but if they don't then I'd go ahead and vote against what I thought.

    [Yes I'm aware the past two paragraphs seem contradictory but I don't think they are. I think a big problem is that people can be functionally ignorant and just complain, and if we're going to have the pretenses of an engaged democracy then we might as well start having a more direct correlation between what people say they want and what happens. If we don't want "mob rule" then we should have a more meritocratic selection of political leaders. From what I've read about other democracies (albeit they were much smaller) the more directly responsive they are to public opinion, the better informed the public makes itself...and the more that the public is apt to blame failure and success on itself rather than point fingers.]

    Oh and about Bush being anti-science, he WAS anti-science. There are dozens upon dozens of examples across tons fields where they censored and misconstrued reports that were issued and scientific knowledge in general. He was hated by scientists of nearly all political backgrounds for doing this. I'm just saying on this particular example I don't remember him saying anything egregious.
  • CStanley
    Oh and about Bush being anti-science, he WAS anti-science. There are dozens upon dozens of examples across tons fields where they censored and misconstrued reports that were issued and scientific knowledge in general. He was hated by scientists of nearly all political backgrounds for doing this. I'm just saying on this particular example I don't remember him saying anything egregious.
    Well, that op-ed also drew that line- that scientific facts certainly shouldn't be distorted- and wherever the Bush administration was guilty of that they should be called on it. But the reason you don't remember him saying anything egregious on stem cell research is because I'm pretty sure he didn't- so attacking his stance on the basis of being anti-science really is a character attack.

    No I meant Obama had a character attack against opponents and I think I will write a post about it. Whew. OK, I thought you'd really gone off the deep end.

    Anyway I don't see how you can just say that the public was manipulated into supporting it by pointing out that solid majorities were opposed prior to 2001, when it wasn't even an issue and no one had heard about it. Well that's only part of it. The article then goes on to show how the debate was framed by the media and political ads, and how the questions were asked on surveys. So you start with a negative opinion toward the research, then frame the debate in disingenuous (and emotionally charged) ways, while simultaneously dismissing your opponents as well-meaning but misguided religious zealots, and you get a predictable rise in public support for your position.
  • casualobserver
    While I won't pretend I can understand all the science, I think I ought to be able to understand the money part as well as anyone...and for the life of me, this author's writing seems obtuse at best.

    "The research has always been allowed, conservatives say, it has merely been denied funding from the government. The only change is where the money comes from.

    This is like listening to insurance companies say that they are not denying coverage when they refuse to pay for a surgical procedure-they are just denying payment.

    That argument will only wash if the client being denied has the money for the operation in the first place. The same holds true with stem cell research. Most medical research happens in Universities and most of that research is funded by government grants specifically set forth for said research. Conservatives know this already, so they should can that argument."


    So is he telling me to can the argument because the universities can't afford the research without government-sourced funding (i.e. taxes raised on my wages)? Because if so, this guy is not going to be able to convince a desert dweller to drink water. He will get more money from me standing on a street corner with a tin cup.
  • So you start with a negative opinion toward the research, then frame the debate in disingenuous (and emotionally charged) ways, while simultaneously dismissing your opponents as well-meaning but misguided religious zealots, and you get a predictable rise in public support for your position.

    Perhaps there was a negative opinion of using the embryonic stem cells in the first place. But I think it's pretty clear that once people realized it could very likely lead to treatments for crippling and fatal maladies (which you don't seem to refute) a majority thought the tradeoff was worth it.

    Of course when you're talking about treatments for awful diseases and conditions things are going to get emotional. It's really the same thing when you start talking about whether or not an embryo has a soul. Dispassionate discourse is just not going to be possible under those circumstances, and it never will be as long as the chief complaint is deeply rooted in religious beliefs. In fact, I don't think you could make an argument *against* using embryonic stem cells that would convince anyone without drawing on emotional outrage at what's being done to these "microscopic people."
  • CStanley
    But I think it's pretty clear that once people realized it could very likely lead to treatments for crippling and fatal maladies (which you don't seem to refute)
    I do dispute that there is an advantage in using embryonic cells vs. adult or the engineered pluripotent cells. Certainly not enough of an advantage to say that we should ignore the ethical dilemma.

    Of course when you're talking about treatments for awful diseases and conditions things are going to get emotional. It's really the same thing when you start talking about whether or not an embryo has a soul. Dispassionate discourse is just not going to be possible under those circumstances, and it never will be as long as the chief complaint is deeply rooted in religious beliefs. In fact, I don't think you could make an argument *against* using embryonic stem cells that would convince anyone without drawing on emotional outrage at what's being done to these "microscopic people."
    But the problem is that the left has been trying (and pretty successfully) to keep religion out as long as it's religion that informs conservative views. So, the 'ensouled' argument isn't permitted, yet even Obama made reference to his religious views which support the finding of cures to alleviate pain and suffering. I cry foul on allowing that to guide the debate on one side but not the other.
  • CStanley
    In fact, I don't think you could make an argument *against* using embryonic stem cells that would convince anyone without drawing on emotional outrage at what's being done to these "microscopic people."

    Oh, I beg to differ with that. The libertarian argument against any form of abortion or use of embryos for research is that it treats one form of human life as a commodity to serve other humans' needs. Along with that, there's the 'slippery slope' argument that if we use a quality like sentience to determine legal personhood, that puts in jeopardy the rationale for right to life for people with severe cognitive impairments.
  • mikkel
    CS I was in the middle of writing a post that talked about how Obama needlessly colored his rhetoric but then I went and read the speech (I always try to read speeches directly):

    "At this moment, the full promise of stem cell research remains unknown, and it should not be overstated. But scientists believe these tiny cells may have the potential to help us understand, and possibly cure, some of our most devastating diseases and conditions...But that potential will not reveal itself on its own. Medical miracles do not happen simply by accident. They result from painstaking and costly research – from years of lonely trial and error, much of which never bears fruit – and from a government willing to support that work."

    "It is a difficult and delicate balance. Many thoughtful and decent people are conflicted about, or strongly oppose, this research. I understand their concerns, and we must respect their point of view. But after much discussion, debate and reflection, the proper course has become clear. The majority of Americans – from across the political spectrum, and of all backgrounds and beliefs – have come to a consensus that we should pursue this research. That the potential it offers is great, and with proper guidelines and strict oversight, the perils can be avoided."

    "Ultimately, I cannot guarantee that we will find the treatments and cures we seek. No President can promise that. But I can promise that we will seek them – actively, responsibly, and with the urgency required to make up for lost ground. Not just by opening up this new frontier of research today, but by supporting promising research of all kinds, including groundbreaking work to convert ordinary human cells into ones that resemble embryonic stem cells."

    The only time he got close to your complaint was:
    "This Order is an important step in advancing the cause of science in America. But let’s be clear: promoting science isn’t just about providing resources – it is also about protecting free and open inquiry. It is about letting scientists like those here today do their jobs, free from manipulation or coercion, and listening to what they tell us, even when it’s inconvenient – especially when it’s inconvenient. It is about ensuring that scientific data is never distorted or concealed to serve a political agenda – and that we make scientific decisions based on facts, not ideology."



    But all in all, he did say that it was legitimate to disagree, and that the source of his opening the funds was from popular support. He also said that the advances will take years or may not even happen at all.
  • CStanley
    This is par for the course with Obama's rhetoric though. He always makes those conciliatory statements toward those who disagree with him, but his other words and actions show absolutely no concessions and won't even really acknowledge the substance of the disagreement.



    To be fair, I should try to explain how he could have said things differently. Obviously I disagree with the decision in question here, and of course I wouldn't really be "happy" regardless of how he stated things. But to truly show that he understands the divisiveness, he'd have had to have stated the basis for disagreement and then explained why he wasn't taking that side.



    But nowhere does he even attempt to explain why funding THIS form of the research would be more important to the ultimate goals of the research than funding the less contentious forms of pluripotent cell research (adult cells or engineered pluripotent cells.) In neglecting to explain any rationale for that, he chooses to paint dissenters (and the preceeding administration) as an obstruction to the progress, and he does so without even advancing a single argument to back that viewpoint.



    I also find it offensive that he uses his religious beliefs at one point to explain his support for this policy, and yet those of us whose religious views lead us to a different conclusion are constantly told that this shouldn't be part of the political debate.
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