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	<title>Comments on: Keep God And Politics Out Of Stem Cell Research</title>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26988/keep-god-and-politics-out-of-stem-cell-research/comment-page-1/#comment-176017</link>
		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Wendy, of course, but Manchester makes the even more important point about the disingenuous tone of the debate over this whole issue. Even MSM sources are readily admitting this, that science has moved passed the ethical dilemma in finding ways to convert adult cells back to having the properties of embryonic ones- and that the embryonic cells were always subject to certain problems that didn&#039;t yet have solutions (development of teratomas, and host rejection.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even the scientists who didn&#039;t bother to correct the public&#039;s misperceptions about the promises of cures are actually applauding the new decision mainly because studying the embryonic cells will help them better understand cell differentiation, not because they actually think the embryonic cells will be directly useful for medical treatments.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And as far as keeping politics out of science? Fine, but that means we stop funding all scientific research with public money. If government funds are going to be used at all, then politics is there- so what you&#039;re really saying is that you think that people on one side of the debate should be able to politicize science for their purposes, but the opponents should be barred from the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Wendy, of course, but Manchester makes the even more important point about the disingenuous tone of the debate over this whole issue. Even MSM sources are readily admitting this, that science has moved passed the ethical dilemma in finding ways to convert adult cells back to having the properties of embryonic ones- and that the embryonic cells were always subject to certain problems that didn&#39;t yet have solutions (development of teratomas, and host rejection.)</p>
<p>Even the scientists who didn&#39;t bother to correct the public&#39;s misperceptions about the promises of cures are actually applauding the new decision mainly because studying the embryonic cells will help them better understand cell differentiation, not because they actually think the embryonic cells will be directly useful for medical treatments.</p>
<p>And as far as keeping politics out of science? Fine, but that means we stop funding all scientific research with public money. If government funds are going to be used at all, then politics is there- so what you&#39;re really saying is that you think that people on one side of the debate should be able to politicize science for their purposes, but the opponents should be barred from the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy025</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26988/keep-god-and-politics-out-of-stem-cell-research/comment-page-1/#comment-176014</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy025</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Mr. Remmer may have a good argument for stem cell research, he makes what I feel is a totally erroneous and very misleading statement.  Opponents of embryonic stem cell research certainly DO have a problem with disposing of days-old embryos from a fertility clinic.  Opponents abhor the thought of any embryo (read:  human life) being &quot;disposed of&quot; like so much trash.  The whole idea of fertility clinics themselves is questionable, because they represent a case of man playing God.  God creates and gives life and lives.  Some people were not intended to have babies ... why, I don&#039;t know.  But life is not about always getting what we want ... it is about taking up our cross, whatever that cross may be, every day.  A certain nobility of spirit comes from accepting what is to be, no matter how much it may hurt us.  And getting back to the issue at hand, the federal funding of embryonic stem cell research:  Why should I have my tax dollars used for a method of research that is so objectionable to me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Mr. Remmer may have a good argument for stem cell research, he makes what I feel is a totally erroneous and very misleading statement.  Opponents of embryonic stem cell research certainly DO have a problem with disposing of days-old embryos from a fertility clinic.  Opponents abhor the thought of any embryo (read:  human life) being &#8220;disposed of&#8221; like so much trash.  The whole idea of fertility clinics themselves is questionable, because they represent a case of man playing God.  God creates and gives life and lives.  Some people were not intended to have babies &#8230; why, I don&#39;t know.  But life is not about always getting what we want &#8230; it is about taking up our cross, whatever that cross may be, every day.  A certain nobility of spirit comes from accepting what is to be, no matter how much it may hurt us.  And getting back to the issue at hand, the federal funding of embryonic stem cell research:  Why should I have my tax dollars used for a method of research that is so objectionable to me?</p>
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		<title>By: Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama&#8217;s Lifts Limits On Stem-Cell Research</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26988/keep-god-and-politics-out-of-stem-cell-research/comment-page-1/#comment-175727</link>
		<dc:creator>Below The Beltway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama&#8217;s Lifts Limits On Stem-Cell Research</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a scientific standpoint, I think this is a good development for many of the same reasons that Jerry Remmers does in this post at The Moderate Voice: For me it’s a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26988/keep-god-and-politics-out-of-stem-cell-research/comment-page-1/#comment-175620</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, despite the advances achieved with adult stem cell research, there are indeed aspects of embryonic stem cells that are unique, and offer potential paths for medicine found nowhere else.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My personal position is as long as you are not &#039;breeding&#039; embryos in humans for harvest, that is acceptable. I have no issue with &#039;petri-dish&#039; embryos, as the &#039;potential life&#039; argument in that case is exceedingly week. But that is my opinion, and I can respect without demonizing those who oppose it. I do, however, hope they fail in their opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, despite the advances achieved with adult stem cell research, there are indeed aspects of embryonic stem cells that are unique, and offer potential paths for medicine found nowhere else.</p>
<p>My personal position is as long as you are not &#39;breeding&#39; embryos in humans for harvest, that is acceptable. I have no issue with &#39;petri-dish&#39; embryos, as the &#39;potential life&#39; argument in that case is exceedingly week. But that is my opinion, and I can respect without demonizing those who oppose it. I do, however, hope they fail in their opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: Manchester2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manchester2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AustinRoth-&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As usual, you&#039;ve advanced the conversation - thanks. My son is a computer science major, and  this summer will be doing an internship on artificial intelligence at a nearby university. Parallel with the development of the robot technology are interns addressing the question of the legal rights of AI&#039;s, as they&#039;re called. And yes, it sounds like &quot;I, Robot&quot; stuff, or maybe for Trekkies, ethical questions raised around the character of Mr Data. But what I don&#039;t get when it comes to stem cell research is why some insist on the &lt;i&gt;embryonic&lt;/i&gt; variety, with all its &quot;Brave New World&quot; baggage, when the same positive outcomes can be achieved with adult stem cell research, which doesn&#039;t set off the same ethical alarm bells. That&#039;s the question we should be asking, but isn&#039;t being raised here at TMV or elsewhere. Follow the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AustinRoth-</p>
<p>As usual, you&#39;ve advanced the conversation &#8211; thanks. My son is a computer science major, and  this summer will be doing an internship on artificial intelligence at a nearby university. Parallel with the development of the robot technology are interns addressing the question of the legal rights of AI&#39;s, as they&#39;re called. And yes, it sounds like &#8220;I, Robot&#8221; stuff, or maybe for Trekkies, ethical questions raised around the character of Mr Data. But what I don&#39;t get when it comes to stem cell research is why some insist on the <i>embryonic</i> variety, with all its &#8220;Brave New World&#8221; baggage, when the same positive outcomes can be achieved with adult stem cell research, which doesn&#39;t set off the same ethical alarm bells. That&#39;s the question we should be asking, but isn&#39;t being raised here at TMV or elsewhere. Follow the money.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26988/keep-god-and-politics-out-of-stem-cell-research/comment-page-1/#comment-175573</link>
		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Leave politics and God out of the discussion and turn it over to scientists&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, I have no problem with leaving God out, as long as moral questions can be raised in all scientific endeavors. For many, they base their moral positions in some manner on some form of God, though, so it is a little disingenuous to say &#039;leave God out&#039;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For the &#039;leave politics out&#039;, well, I bet you don&#039;t mean that at all. You probably mean &#039;leave politics I disagree with out&#039;, as anytime government monies are involved, politics is involved.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And &#039;turn the decision over to scientists&#039;? I was trained to be a scientist (particle physics), even though I work as an engineer now, and hold science in the highest regard. But science and scientists&#039; jobs are to provide information and technology. How to use those is truly a social and political decision, as it should be. As a general rule, scientists have to narrow a world-view, and are too vested in their specific field, to make broader decisions on the use and implementation of what they develop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Leave politics and God out of the discussion and turn it over to scientists&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I have no problem with leaving God out, as long as moral questions can be raised in all scientific endeavors. For many, they base their moral positions in some manner on some form of God, though, so it is a little disingenuous to say &#39;leave God out&#39;.</p>
<p>For the &#39;leave politics out&#39;, well, I bet you don&#39;t mean that at all. You probably mean &#39;leave politics I disagree with out&#39;, as anytime government monies are involved, politics is involved.</p>
<p>And &#39;turn the decision over to scientists&#39;? I was trained to be a scientist (particle physics), even though I work as an engineer now, and hold science in the highest regard. But science and scientists&#39; jobs are to provide information and technology. How to use those is truly a social and political decision, as it should be. As a general rule, scientists have to narrow a world-view, and are too vested in their specific field, to make broader decisions on the use and implementation of what they develop.</p>
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		<title>By: Manchester2</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26988/keep-god-and-politics-out-of-stem-cell-research/comment-page-1/#comment-175569</link>
		<dc:creator>Manchester2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a lot of disinformation around this issue. Former President Bush was opposed to a specific &lt;i&gt;type&lt;/i&gt; of stem-cell research, namely, stem-cell research that destroyed nascent human life. However, his prohibiting the development of new lines of embryos for research does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; mean that he opposed all types of this important endeavor. Adult stem cell research, for example, is making great strides, and does not destroy an embryo. This heartening story was hardly covered in the media when it broke. One has to wonder: Why not? Who stands to make money now that President Obama has reversed this ban?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#39;s a lot of disinformation around this issue. Former President Bush was opposed to a specific <i>type</i> of stem-cell research, namely, stem-cell research that destroyed nascent human life. However, his prohibiting the development of new lines of embryos for research does <i>not</i> mean that he opposed all types of this important endeavor. Adult stem cell research, for example, is making great strides, and does not destroy an embryo. This heartening story was hardly covered in the media when it broke. One has to wonder: Why not? Who stands to make money now that President Obama has reversed this ban?</p>
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		<title>By: D. E.Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. E.Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As the uncle of a precious little boy who suffers from type 2 diabetes, I know how horrible this disease is and my thoughts are with you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bush&#039;s obstinate and wrongheaded positions on stem cell research have consistently enraged me.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was especially offended when in June of 2007, this man vetoed a bill removing stem cell limits, saying &quot;All human life is sacred&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In a letter I wrote, published by the New York Times on June 22, 2007, I pointed out the inconsistency of this man&#039;s actions, when compared to his actions as governor of Texas when he approved the death sentences of dozens of human beings, and of his words that &#039;&#039;destroying human life in the hopes of saving human life is not ethical,&#039;&#039; which flies in the face of his invasion and occupation of Iraq, where thousands have been killed, ostensibly to save human lives threatened by Saddam Hussein.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Many will support and defend  Bush&#039;s philosophy with regards to the death sentence and the invasion of Iraq.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fine. But, I stand firmly with the last paragraph of my letter:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Not to mention that his &#039;&#039;love&#039;&#039; for embryonic stem cells may be sentencing many of us, and our descendants, to death because he has effectively vetoed the potential to find cures for so many life-threatening illnesses.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I warmly anticipate President Obama&#039;s announcement Monday and I applaud it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry:</p>
<p>As the uncle of a precious little boy who suffers from type 2 diabetes, I know how horrible this disease is and my thoughts are with you.</p>
<p>Bush&#39;s obstinate and wrongheaded positions on stem cell research have consistently enraged me.</p>
<p>I was especially offended when in June of 2007, this man vetoed a bill removing stem cell limits, saying &#8220;All human life is sacred&#8221;</p>
<p>In a letter I wrote, published by the New York Times on June 22, 2007, I pointed out the inconsistency of this man&#39;s actions, when compared to his actions as governor of Texas when he approved the death sentences of dozens of human beings, and of his words that &#39;&#39;destroying human life in the hopes of saving human life is not ethical,&#39;&#39; which flies in the face of his invasion and occupation of Iraq, where thousands have been killed, ostensibly to save human lives threatened by Saddam Hussein.</p>
<p>Many will support and defend  Bush&#39;s philosophy with regards to the death sentence and the invasion of Iraq.</p>
<p>Fine. But, I stand firmly with the last paragraph of my letter:</p>
<p>&#8220;Not to mention that his &#39;&#39;love&#39;&#39; for embryonic stem cells may be sentencing many of us, and our descendants, to death because he has effectively vetoed the potential to find cures for so many life-threatening illnesses.&#8221; </p>
<p>I warmly anticipate President Obama&#39;s announcement Monday and I applaud it now.</p>
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		<title>By: mattthecoolist</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattthecoolist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently, scientist developed the ability to standardize the process of producing Human Embryos. With this ability to indentify and standardize the process of producing Human Embryos, we can now also use the same starting point to determine when a Human Embryo has human rights under the law of the Constitution of the United States. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Indeed, is a human any less human becomes they cannot fend or care for themselves? Does a US citizen give up their Constitutional Rights because they are not able to defend themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently, scientist developed the ability to standardize the process of producing Human Embryos. With this ability to indentify and standardize the process of producing Human Embryos, we can now also use the same starting point to determine when a Human Embryo has human rights under the law of the Constitution of the United States. </p>
<p>Indeed, is a human any less human becomes they cannot fend or care for themselves? Does a US citizen give up their Constitutional Rights because they are not able to defend themselves?</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about those of us who are consistent and believe that the discarding of embryos created for IVF is morally wrong as well? Are we allowed to raise ethical concerns against research done in the name of science (and obviously with good intentions) if we&#039;re not hypocritical about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about those of us who are consistent and believe that the discarding of embryos created for IVF is morally wrong as well? Are we allowed to raise ethical concerns against research done in the name of science (and obviously with good intentions) if we&#39;re not hypocritical about it?</p>
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