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		<title>By: Adam983</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26867/the-other-f-word/comment-page-1/#comment-175468</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam983</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you really listen to his speech, or are you reacting to the out of context quote that the Washington Post used?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Paul said, &quot;But every single day we have prior restraint on everything we do in the marketplace. Every market transaction, every labor transaction, every dollar transaction, every property transaction is done only with the permission of the government.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So we now have moved a major step in the direction of socialism, and they talk about nationalism and nationalizing the banks, well the name isn’t as important as the control. We’re closer to a fascist system where the government has total control of our lives and our economy, and that is what has to be stopped.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He didn&#039;t say that we are fascist or socialist, he said that we are moving in that direction and we need to stop it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you really listen to his speech, or are you reacting to the out of context quote that the Washington Post used?</p>
<p>Paul said, &#8220;But every single day we have prior restraint on everything we do in the marketplace. Every market transaction, every labor transaction, every dollar transaction, every property transaction is done only with the permission of the government.</p>
<p>So we now have moved a major step in the direction of socialism, and they talk about nationalism and nationalizing the banks, well the name isn’t as important as the control. We’re closer to a fascist system where the government has total control of our lives and our economy, and that is what has to be stopped.&#8221;</p>
<p>He didn&#39;t say that we are fascist or socialist, he said that we are moving in that direction and we need to stop it.</p>
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		<title>By: USAF_Vet_Dan</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26867/the-other-f-word/comment-page-1/#comment-175153</link>
		<dc:creator>USAF_Vet_Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the author:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Notice that all comments to date disagree with you to some extent?  I&#039;ve noticed that you have not attempted to offer defensive counter points.  Is that an indication that you&#039;ve changed your mind???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the author:</p>
<p>Notice that all comments to date disagree with you to some extent?  I&#39;ve noticed that you have not attempted to offer defensive counter points.  Is that an indication that you&#39;ve changed your mind???</p>
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		<title>By: GABEnTX</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26867/the-other-f-word/comment-page-1/#comment-174980</link>
		<dc:creator>GABEnTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes, I don&#039;t like to hear the truth either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes, I don&#39;t like to hear the truth either.</p>
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		<title>By: redhatmatt</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26867/the-other-f-word/comment-page-1/#comment-174975</link>
		<dc:creator>redhatmatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fas·cism  (fshzm)&lt;br&gt;n.&lt;br&gt;1. often Fascism&lt;br&gt;a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, &lt;b&gt;stringent socioeconomic controls&lt;/b&gt;, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and &lt;b&gt;typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ron was not talking hitler 2, he was merely using a word in it&#039;s correct context... basically about moving toward total central control. Control being in the form of control of the money and control of our liberty or restriction I should say.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess the making of complex subjects toned down to simple explanation doesn&#039;t work on you well. Perhaps cross checking the most simple of details might help before writing an entire article on your &quot;informed&quot; opinion.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hey, but your on the &quot;moderate&quot; voice... so we&#039;ll give you that one, keep staying moderate on things while everything falls around you, I&#039;ll consider you one of the sheep that helped to go along with all of this mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fas·cism  (fshzm)<br />n.<br />1. often Fascism<br />a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, <b>stringent socioeconomic controls</b>, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and <b>typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.</b></p>
<p>Ron was not talking hitler 2, he was merely using a word in it&#39;s correct context&#8230; basically about moving toward total central control. Control being in the form of control of the money and control of our liberty or restriction I should say.</p>
<p>I guess the making of complex subjects toned down to simple explanation doesn&#39;t work on you well. Perhaps cross checking the most simple of details might help before writing an entire article on your &#8220;informed&#8221; opinion.</p>
<p>Hey, but your on the &#8220;moderate&#8221; voice&#8230; so we&#39;ll give you that one, keep staying moderate on things while everything falls around you, I&#39;ll consider you one of the sheep that helped to go along with all of this mess.</p>
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		<title>By: USAF_Vet_Dan</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26867/the-other-f-word/comment-page-1/#comment-174972</link>
		<dc:creator>USAF_Vet_Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We aren&#039;t heading for (or even currently under) fascism?  The following is from Wikipedia / [comments] are my own.  You decide if Ron Paul was over stating his warning about the migration toward fascism.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fascism: a radical, authoritarian nationalist ideology focused on solving economic, political, and social problems that its supporters see as causing national decline. Fascists aim to create a single-party state [RepubliCrats] in which the government is led by a dictator [misuse of executive orders] who seeks unity by requiring individuals to subordinate self-interest to the collective interest of the nation. Fascist movements promote violence between nations [our foreign policy]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fascist governments permanently forbid and suppress all criticism and opposition to the government [Fairness Doctrine, Patriot Act, etc] and the fascist movement. Fascist movements oppose any ideology or political system that gives direct political power to people as individuals rather than as a collective nation or race (democracy, individualism, liberalism); that is deemed detrimental to national identity and unity (internationalism, communism, class conflict, laissez-faire capitalism); that oppose major changes to institutions and cultural values that it proposes (conservatism) and that undermine the military strength and military ambitions of the nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We aren&#39;t heading for (or even currently under) fascism?  The following is from Wikipedia / [comments] are my own.  You decide if Ron Paul was over stating his warning about the migration toward fascism.</p>
<p>Fascism: a radical, authoritarian nationalist ideology focused on solving economic, political, and social problems that its supporters see as causing national decline. Fascists aim to create a single-party state [RepubliCrats] in which the government is led by a dictator [misuse of executive orders] who seeks unity by requiring individuals to subordinate self-interest to the collective interest of the nation. Fascist movements promote violence between nations [our foreign policy]</p>
<p>Fascist governments permanently forbid and suppress all criticism and opposition to the government [Fairness Doctrine, Patriot Act, etc] and the fascist movement. Fascist movements oppose any ideology or political system that gives direct political power to people as individuals rather than as a collective nation or race (democracy, individualism, liberalism); that is deemed detrimental to national identity and unity (internationalism, communism, class conflict, laissez-faire capitalism); that oppose major changes to institutions and cultural values that it proposes (conservatism) and that undermine the military strength and military ambitions of the nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Stebro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stebro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very thoughtful article, Scott. I think your point that using language your audience is not ready to hear is valid because it is jarring even if true. I think the Libertarian Party makes the same error which keeps them marginalized. That said, I totally agree with Dr. Paul&#039;s statement. Facism, as I understand it, is an economic system whereby the economy is controlled, though not wholly owned, by the government. Large companies accept, even welcome this arrangement, because it provides economic advantage over less politically connected competitors. It is a system entirely different from free enterprise.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The term facism is out of favor because it evokes images of Italy and Spain during the WWII  era and is not politically correct to use when referring to the USA. But I think the comparisons are only a matter of degree. I see the same expanding facism as Ron Paul - however, unless I&#039;m surrounded by like minded individuals I keep it to myself. Facist is probably a term that will be used by future historians when reflecting on the state of the US now and in coming years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very thoughtful article, Scott. I think your point that using language your audience is not ready to hear is valid because it is jarring even if true. I think the Libertarian Party makes the same error which keeps them marginalized. That said, I totally agree with Dr. Paul&#39;s statement. Facism, as I understand it, is an economic system whereby the economy is controlled, though not wholly owned, by the government. Large companies accept, even welcome this arrangement, because it provides economic advantage over less politically connected competitors. It is a system entirely different from free enterprise.</p>
<p>The term facism is out of favor because it evokes images of Italy and Spain during the WWII  era and is not politically correct to use when referring to the USA. But I think the comparisons are only a matter of degree. I see the same expanding facism as Ron Paul &#8211; however, unless I&#39;m surrounded by like minded individuals I keep it to myself. Facist is probably a term that will be used by future historians when reflecting on the state of the US now and in coming years.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brainster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the bigger amusements last year was seeing all these libertarian-oriented Republicans talking about how they could really get behind Ron Paul if he would just drop this one kooky shtick--the Gold Standard, or abolishing the Federal Reserve or something like that.  And I kept telling them that the Gold Standard and abolishing the Federal Reserve was not a shtick, it was central to who Ron Paul is.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ron Paul really does believe we&#039;re on the road to fascism.  The idea that wow, he could really build a movement if he&#039;d just drop some of the nutty stuff is silly; the nutty stuff is what got him all those online supporters.  Yes, it capped his upside, but let&#039;s face it, a congressman who is two years older than John McCain was not going to get the nomination anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the bigger amusements last year was seeing all these libertarian-oriented Republicans talking about how they could really get behind Ron Paul if he would just drop this one kooky shtick&#8211;the Gold Standard, or abolishing the Federal Reserve or something like that.  And I kept telling them that the Gold Standard and abolishing the Federal Reserve was not a shtick, it was central to who Ron Paul is.</p>
<p>Ron Paul really does believe we&#39;re on the road to fascism.  The idea that wow, he could really build a movement if he&#39;d just drop some of the nutty stuff is silly; the nutty stuff is what got him all those online supporters.  Yes, it capped his upside, but let&#39;s face it, a congressman who is two years older than John McCain was not going to get the nomination anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: thirty3na3rd</title>
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		<dc:creator>thirty3na3rd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Paul was making similar dire statements about the economy during the presidential campaign, and there was a segment of onlookers who rolled their eyes. And as it turned out, Dr. Paul was correct all along.&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s a matter of learning the lessons of history so we aren&#039;t doomed to repeat them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Paul was making similar dire statements about the economy during the presidential campaign, and there was a segment of onlookers who rolled their eyes. And as it turned out, Dr. Paul was correct all along.<br />It&#39;s a matter of learning the lessons of history so we aren&#39;t doomed to repeat them.</p>
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		<title>By: timr</title>
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		<dc:creator>timr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My view remains. Within the next 50 years, our republic form of govt will be gone. Oh, the shell will remain, but only the shell. I predict that we will become an authoritarian theocratic fascism type of govt with the rulers owned by the corporations. The mob, the &quot;low intelligence voter&quot; or the sheeple are already easily swayed in their opinions so it will not take much to ensure their votes at &quot;elections&quot;. &lt;br&gt; Face it, the way things are coming out about the bush years, it is now pretty obivious that we missed being taken over by a theocratic authoritarian fascistic govt only thru their incompetence rather than any other reason. They coopted the MSM early on, the corporations were given anything they wanted, the military industrial complex was allowed to rape the treasury, and overall we came within a wisker of roves dream of a permanent republician-read here theocratic authoritarian fascist-govt majority. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, this time we were lucky, the attempt to subvert the govt failed only due to the incompetence of the players. This time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My view remains. Within the next 50 years, our republic form of govt will be gone. Oh, the shell will remain, but only the shell. I predict that we will become an authoritarian theocratic fascism type of govt with the rulers owned by the corporations. The mob, the &#8220;low intelligence voter&#8221; or the sheeple are already easily swayed in their opinions so it will not take much to ensure their votes at &#8220;elections&#8221;. <br /> Face it, the way things are coming out about the bush years, it is now pretty obivious that we missed being taken over by a theocratic authoritarian fascistic govt only thru their incompetence rather than any other reason. They coopted the MSM early on, the corporations were given anything they wanted, the military industrial complex was allowed to rape the treasury, and overall we came within a wisker of roves dream of a permanent republician-read here theocratic authoritarian fascist-govt majority. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, this time we were lucky, the attempt to subvert the govt failed only due to the incompetence of the players. This time.</p>
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