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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26776/conservatisms-path-out-of-the-wilderness/comment-page-1/#comment-174653</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GS, I think this comment was maybe for another thread, in which I pointed out that BUSH supported the initiatives that the GOP is now trying to blame on Dems, namely allowing non creditworthy individuals to get subprime mortgage loans. I&#039;m beginning to see inconsistencies in your positions and troll-like comments. For the record though, I support ending homelessness in America, but not necessarily by making home owners of every citizen. I have no issue with the ADDI, only with the GOP now claiming that the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac meltdown was the Dem&#039;s fault. It wasn&#039;t. It was a failure of oversight on your watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GS, I think this comment was maybe for another thread, in which I pointed out that BUSH supported the initiatives that the GOP is now trying to blame on Dems, namely allowing non creditworthy individuals to get subprime mortgage loans. I&#39;m beginning to see inconsistencies in your positions and troll-like comments. For the record though, I support ending homelessness in America, but not necessarily by making home owners of every citizen. I have no issue with the ADDI, only with the GOP now claiming that the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac meltdown was the Dem&#39;s fault. It wasn&#39;t. It was a failure of oversight on your watch.</p>
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		<title>By: greenschemes</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenschemes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 03:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American Dream Downpayment Initiative (ADDI) was signed into law on December 16, 2003. The American Dream Downpayment Assistance Act authorizes up to $200 million annually for fiscal years 2004 - 2007. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ADDI aims to increase the homeownership rate, especially among lower income and minority households, and to revitalize and stabilize communities. ADDI will help first-time homebuyers with the biggest hurdle to homeownership: downpayment and closing costs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; The rascally republicans.  How dare they pass a law to help the poor people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American Dream Downpayment Initiative (ADDI) was signed into law on December 16, 2003. The American Dream Downpayment Assistance Act authorizes up to $200 million annually for fiscal years 2004 &#8211; 2007. </p>
<p>ADDI aims to increase the homeownership rate, especially among lower income and minority households, and to revitalize and stabilize communities. ADDI will help first-time homebuyers with the biggest hurdle to homeownership: downpayment and closing costs.</p>
<p> The rascally republicans.  How dare they pass a law to help the poor people.</p>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26776/conservatisms-path-out-of-the-wilderness/comment-page-1/#comment-174593</link>
		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re pointing out the inconsistency of Democrats complaining about a deficit for years, then turning around and hugely inflating it.  In the case of the stimulus bill I can accept the concept that additional spending is needed to help the recovery.  The budget is not the stimulus bill, though.  If there was ever a time to hold the line on budgetary spending isn&#039;t this it?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When exactly does Obama go through the budget line by line like he promised and get rid of anything that&#039;s not necessary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#39;re pointing out the inconsistency of Democrats complaining about a deficit for years, then turning around and hugely inflating it.  In the case of the stimulus bill I can accept the concept that additional spending is needed to help the recovery.  The budget is not the stimulus bill, though.  If there was ever a time to hold the line on budgetary spending isn&#39;t this it?</p>
<p>When exactly does Obama go through the budget line by line like he promised and get rid of anything that&#39;s not necessary?</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26776/conservatisms-path-out-of-the-wilderness/comment-page-1/#comment-174590</link>
		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DaGoat-- What do you think would happen if Obama decided to pay down the deficit and cut federal spending??? This is a classic case of throwing stones without coming up with an alternative. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama did not create this financial crisis. Bush&#039;s buddies feasted on the treasury- and Wall Street financiers had a free-for-all with no oversight. Bush started two wars, doubled the federal budget and wasted Clinton&#039;s surplus on tax cuts for his base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DaGoat&#8211; What do you think would happen if Obama decided to pay down the deficit and cut federal spending??? This is a classic case of throwing stones without coming up with an alternative. </p>
<p>Obama did not create this financial crisis. Bush&#39;s buddies feasted on the treasury- and Wall Street financiers had a free-for-all with no oversight. Bush started two wars, doubled the federal budget and wasted Clinton&#39;s surplus on tax cuts for his base.</p>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GS did you ever really believe that Democrats were serious about the deficit?  I mean, get real here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GS did you ever really believe that Democrats were serious about the deficit?  I mean, get real here.</p>
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		<title>By: greenschemes</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26776/conservatisms-path-out-of-the-wilderness/comment-page-1/#comment-174586</link>
		<dc:creator>greenschemes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just cant believe the hogwash I seeing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For the last 8 years the Democrats have been screaming about the deficit and how Bush is tearing up future generations and were all gonna die and times are dire and the end is here and on and on and on about how evil those republicans are.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So what do I find when I go to democratic sites now?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Bogus Arguments about the Burden of the Debt&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You got it........Lordy...........they are advocating now that deficts are good things...........&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I quit.  I have put in my retirement papers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just cant believe the hogwash I seeing.</p>
<p>For the last 8 years the Democrats have been screaming about the deficit and how Bush is tearing up future generations and were all gonna die and times are dire and the end is here and on and on and on about how evil those republicans are.</p>
<p>So what do I find when I go to democratic sites now?</p>
<p>&#8220;Bogus Arguments about the Burden of the Debt&#8221;</p>
<p>You got it&#8230;&#8230;..Lordy&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..they are advocating now that deficts are good things&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>I quit.  I have put in my retirement papers.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GS, it was a long and diligent pitch to the public. Reaganomics, Thatcherism, trickle down, deregulate, &quot;set the market free,&quot; &quot;personal responsibility&quot; (ie. you&#039;re on your own) &quot;free markets, free people&quot; and all the other memes that have driven conservative thought for 30 years. Yes, we finally got to test drive that. Right into the ditch.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;CS, you and GS can both claim that somehow Obama is betraying us by changing the channel on all that. None of those memes has any merit for us now. The idea that we need more of what got us into trouble in the first place is just not selling. You guys need some new ideas. We have tried full throttle exactly what you propose and it failed. The whole world saw what the GOP does when it has power, and it&#039;s pretty much just what Kritt describes. Trick and scare the public, whip them into nationalistic and religious frenzy while picking their pockets. Rob our kids, trash the air and water, give away all the public property and pull the rug out from under anyone middle-income and below.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, let&#039;s look at &quot;bipartisanship&quot; because you guys seem to be trying to sell it, too. The Dems met with GOP, inserted GOP crap into the stimulus bill and got not a single vote for their trouble, then get thrown down the stairs as &quot;socialists&quot;. Adding insult to injury, some of the naysaying legislators now try to take credit for it. Vote against it, claim credit for helping their constituents and run against it in 2 or 4 years. Priceless.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I say to hell with bipartisanship if THAT&#039;s what you mean by it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And though it&#039;s not a fair test, let&#039;s see what total Dem control can do. Test drive that too. It&#039;s not a fair test because we&#039;re in such trouble after the travesty of GOP rule. If we&#039;d had the opportunity when the country was strong, say with Gore in charge, we would have upgraded tech infrastructure, a healthier manufacturing sector, cleaner air and water, less cowboy posturing and more levelheaded leadership and some regulation and oversight that might very well have headed this thing off at the pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GS, it was a long and diligent pitch to the public. Reaganomics, Thatcherism, trickle down, deregulate, &#8220;set the market free,&#8221; &#8220;personal responsibility&#8221; (ie. you&#39;re on your own) &#8220;free markets, free people&#8221; and all the other memes that have driven conservative thought for 30 years. Yes, we finally got to test drive that. Right into the ditch.</p>
<p>CS, you and GS can both claim that somehow Obama is betraying us by changing the channel on all that. None of those memes has any merit for us now. The idea that we need more of what got us into trouble in the first place is just not selling. You guys need some new ideas. We have tried full throttle exactly what you propose and it failed. The whole world saw what the GOP does when it has power, and it&#39;s pretty much just what Kritt describes. Trick and scare the public, whip them into nationalistic and religious frenzy while picking their pockets. Rob our kids, trash the air and water, give away all the public property and pull the rug out from under anyone middle-income and below.</p>
<p>Now, let&#39;s look at &#8220;bipartisanship&#8221; because you guys seem to be trying to sell it, too. The Dems met with GOP, inserted GOP crap into the stimulus bill and got not a single vote for their trouble, then get thrown down the stairs as &#8220;socialists&#8221;. Adding insult to injury, some of the naysaying legislators now try to take credit for it. Vote against it, claim credit for helping their constituents and run against it in 2 or 4 years. Priceless.</p>
<p>I say to hell with bipartisanship if THAT&#39;s what you mean by it.</p>
<p>And though it&#39;s not a fair test, let&#39;s see what total Dem control can do. Test drive that too. It&#39;s not a fair test because we&#39;re in such trouble after the travesty of GOP rule. If we&#39;d had the opportunity when the country was strong, say with Gore in charge, we would have upgraded tech infrastructure, a healthier manufacturing sector, cleaner air and water, less cowboy posturing and more levelheaded leadership and some regulation and oversight that might very well have headed this thing off at the pass.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greenschemes-- What good does it do for Democrats to try to compromise with hardliners? Answer--- none at all. Their version of compromise is you walk 10 feet towards me and hold your hand out with a white flag- and I might accept it, LOL!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Many conservative columnists (other than the Limbaugh loonies) have come out and stated that the loyal opposition should obstruct, obstruct, obstruct while they are in the wilderness. Any Repub who doesn&#039;t heed the call can find a new job come next election because the RNC will no longer back anyone who HAS compromised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>greenschemes&#8211; What good does it do for Democrats to try to compromise with hardliners? Answer&#8212; none at all. Their version of compromise is you walk 10 feet towards me and hold your hand out with a white flag- and I might accept it, LOL!</p>
<p>Many conservative columnists (other than the Limbaugh loonies) have come out and stated that the loyal opposition should obstruct, obstruct, obstruct while they are in the wilderness. Any Repub who doesn&#39;t heed the call can find a new job come next election because the RNC will no longer back anyone who HAS compromised.</p>
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		<title>By: greenschemes</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenschemes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well GreenDreams and Kritt seem to epitomize whats going on in this country right now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It basically boils down to the GOP had their fun for 8 years.  Its out turn now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem is that in 8 years it will be the GOP saying the same thing, then 8 years late the Democrats...............Left...........Right...........Left...........Right.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I rest my case.  So much for getting things done in a bipartisan ways.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama &quot;Change we can believe in&quot;  RIP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well GreenDreams and Kritt seem to epitomize whats going on in this country right now.</p>
<p>It basically boils down to the GOP had their fun for 8 years.  Its out turn now.</p>
<p>The problem is that in 8 years it will be the GOP saying the same thing, then 8 years late the Democrats&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Left&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..Right&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..Left&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..Right.  </p>
<p>I rest my case.  So much for getting things done in a bipartisan ways.</p>
<p>Obama &#8220;Change we can believe in&#8221;  RIP.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Likewise, Greendreams, I don&#039;t recall anyone left of center who didn&#039;t complain about &quot;50+1&quot; governance before as though they opposed that on principle. It turns out they only felt that way if they were part of the 49.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Likewise, Greendreams, I don&#39;t recall anyone left of center who didn&#39;t complain about &#8220;50+1&#8243; governance before as though they opposed that on principle. It turns out they only felt that way if they were part of the 49.</p>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread has kind of wandered but on the original topic I think most of us &quot;fallen Republicans&quot; realize that Limbaugh, Hannity, etc are a poor public image for the GOP and cater to the most extreme members of the GOP.  How much power they actually hold is questionable but GOP politicians would probably be well advised to dissociate themselves from them if they want to attract any but the hard core.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem is the hard core is running the show, not just the radio show but the GOP in general.  I would compare this to if the Democratic Party were run by the commenters at  MoveOn.  In the Democratic Party you have the Clintonites/DLC which seems to provide a counterbalance which I don&#039;t see in the GOP.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The biggest chance of the GOP recovering probably rests with the Democrats, who most likely will screw things up as badly as the GOP has.  I know that&#039;s not what the Democrats want to hear but you are where the GOP was in 2000, essentially in control of everything and fired up to change things to the way you think they ought to be.  I think the unopposed power of the Democrats will probably turn out as poorly as the unopposed power of the GOP, they will probably overreach and do something to alienate the middle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread has kind of wandered but on the original topic I think most of us &#8220;fallen Republicans&#8221; realize that Limbaugh, Hannity, etc are a poor public image for the GOP and cater to the most extreme members of the GOP.  How much power they actually hold is questionable but GOP politicians would probably be well advised to dissociate themselves from them if they want to attract any but the hard core.</p>
<p>The problem is the hard core is running the show, not just the radio show but the GOP in general.  I would compare this to if the Democratic Party were run by the commenters at  MoveOn.  In the Democratic Party you have the Clintonites/DLC which seems to provide a counterbalance which I don&#39;t see in the GOP.</p>
<p>The biggest chance of the GOP recovering probably rests with the Democrats, who most likely will screw things up as badly as the GOP has.  I know that&#39;s not what the Democrats want to hear but you are where the GOP was in 2000, essentially in control of everything and fired up to change things to the way you think they ought to be.  I think the unopposed power of the Democrats will probably turn out as poorly as the unopposed power of the GOP, they will probably overreach and do something to alienate the middle.</p>
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		<dc:creator>BEYOND PALIN AND THAT PLUMBER GUY - The Public Interest : WTVC Newschannel9.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd. I can&#039;t find a single comment from the GOPers before the election suggesting any sort of 50:50 consensus building. In fact, it looks more like &quot;my way or the highway&quot; and other such niceties, like &quot;defeatocrats&quot; and the &quot;blame America first crowd&quot;. But now that the so-called conservative ideology has trashed our country, we need to turn to these criminals for 50% of the solution? No thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd. I can&#39;t find a single comment from the GOPers before the election suggesting any sort of 50:50 consensus building. In fact, it looks more like &#8220;my way or the highway&#8221; and other such niceties, like &#8220;defeatocrats&#8221; and the &#8220;blame America first crowd&#8221;. But now that the so-called conservative ideology has trashed our country, we need to turn to these criminals for 50% of the solution? No thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: greenschemes</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenschemes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s just trying to clean up Bush&#039;s mess.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This thread is getting hijacked.  Ill leave it at that and return to the original post.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Coulter is certainly one of the symptoms of a larger problem. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think this is very true.  From my perspective I see the passions running deep on both sides of the isle.  The problem is that someone Like Coulter can call Arabs ragheads and get trash talked for it, but the left can call Conservatives Nazi&#039;s and get put in office for it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is a disturbing trend in American politics and until the GOP cleans up their acts and redirects their anger not at Illegal aliens, or Arabs or Blacks but redirects their efforts at................READ MY LIPS.........&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SOLVING PROBLEMS.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;its our problems that are fueling the anger by both sides.  I have a novel Idea.  Why dont the Democrats and the Republicans work together, split their differences right down the middle and every solution would have the 50/50 formula applied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#39;s just trying to clean up Bush&#39;s mess.</p>
<p>This thread is getting hijacked.  Ill leave it at that and return to the original post.</p>
<p>Coulter is certainly one of the symptoms of a larger problem. </p>
<p>I think this is very true.  From my perspective I see the passions running deep on both sides of the isle.  The problem is that someone Like Coulter can call Arabs ragheads and get trash talked for it, but the left can call Conservatives Nazi&#39;s and get put in office for it.</p>
<p>This is a disturbing trend in American politics and until the GOP cleans up their acts and redirects their anger not at Illegal aliens, or Arabs or Blacks but redirects their efforts at&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.READ MY LIPS&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>SOLVING PROBLEMS.  </p>
<p>its our problems that are fueling the anger by both sides.  I have a novel Idea.  Why dont the Democrats and the Republicans work together, split their differences right down the middle and every solution would have the 50/50 formula applied.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greenschemes--- The debt has been there for a lot longer than 30 days- and the conditions which made the recovery package necessary albeit painful have as well. Are seriously putting this all on Obama? He&#039;s just trying to clean up Bush&#039;s mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greenschemes&#8212; The debt has been there for a lot longer than 30 days- and the conditions which made the recovery package necessary albeit painful have as well. Are seriously putting this all on Obama? He&#39;s just trying to clean up Bush&#39;s mess.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greenschemes-&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; MSNBC has a miniscule audience- most of their shows are on the verge of cancellation. Rush has an audience of at least 10 million listeners-so does Hannity. OReilly&#039;s show is #1 in cable news.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I&#039;ve seen Matthews forced to apologize to members of Congress, but NEVER the other way around!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greenschemes-</p>
<p> MSNBC has a miniscule audience- most of their shows are on the verge of cancellation. Rush has an audience of at least 10 million listeners-so does Hannity. OReilly&#39;s show is #1 in cable news.</p>
<p>And I&#39;ve seen Matthews forced to apologize to members of Congress, but NEVER the other way around!</p>
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		<title>By: greenschemes</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenschemes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.75 Trillion Dollar Deficit?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;ONE TRILLION, SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY BILLION DOLLARS in the hole and hes been in office 30 days?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Come on Anyone left of John Birch has got to be nervous over this.  I know Im hand wringing and I havent done that since Bill Clinton ordered a Box of Cigars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.75 Trillion Dollar Deficit?</p>
<p>ONE TRILLION, SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY BILLION DOLLARS in the hole and hes been in office 30 days?</p>
<p>Come on Anyone left of John Birch has got to be nervous over this.  I know Im hand wringing and I havent done that since Bill Clinton ordered a Box of Cigars.</p>
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		<title>By: greenschemes</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenschemes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MSNBC&#039;s audiences are much smaller than Fox&#039;s or Limbaugh/Ingraham&#039;s on talk radio. And Randi Rhoades&#039; ratings are so small that her show has been cancelled by many stations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You bring up an intriguing point which I have actually done some research on.  Conservatives are.........well conservatives.  They like the old medium such as tv and radio.  Liberals tend to be..........well progressive and as such they are turning to differing means of communication.  Utube, flickr, podcasts, cell phones etc.  So does this mean that the reason ratings for liberal traditional media is down while it seems the conservative markets are holding up.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If it is so then its another reason why the Conservatives/GOP are being handed their political hineys at the polls.  They once again havent moved ahead but remain entrenched in the old, past but tried and true ways which have transcended their current state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSNBC&#39;s audiences are much smaller than Fox&#39;s or Limbaugh/Ingraham&#39;s on talk radio. And Randi Rhoades&#39; ratings are so small that her show has been cancelled by many stations.</p>
<p>You bring up an intriguing point which I have actually done some research on.  Conservatives are&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;well conservatives.  They like the old medium such as tv and radio.  Liberals tend to be&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.well progressive and as such they are turning to differing means of communication.  Utube, flickr, podcasts, cell phones etc.  So does this mean that the reason ratings for liberal traditional media is down while it seems the conservative markets are holding up.</p>
<p>If it is so then its another reason why the Conservatives/GOP are being handed their political hineys at the polls.  They once again havent moved ahead but remain entrenched in the old, past but tried and true ways which have transcended their current state.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I share your frustration over the redmeat conservatives, Jazz, but it&#039;s getting tiring and it&#039;s a self fulfilling prophecy in my opinion. The more we complain about this kind of thinking, the more that sensible people are turned off from the GOP and the party becomes marginalized even more. Why not focus on positives and find the few rational voices and amplify them to try to reverse the trend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I share your frustration over the redmeat conservatives, Jazz, but it&#39;s getting tiring and it&#39;s a self fulfilling prophecy in my opinion. The more we complain about this kind of thinking, the more that sensible people are turned off from the GOP and the party becomes marginalized even more. Why not focus on positives and find the few rational voices and amplify them to try to reverse the trend?</p>
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		<title>By: greenschemes</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenschemes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kritt&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You are trying to convince me that Olberman and Mathews.......feature anchors on MSNBC have no influence upon the Democratic party?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The other night I went to a democratic site to watch the Obama budget speech.  They were running a poll as to which network you were watching the speech.  MSNBC 66 percent.  CNN 22 percent. the other 3 sites were about 18 percent and Fox was ZERO.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While statistically insignificant I think that speaks volumes to how important the hard core dems view MSNBC and Mathews and Olberman.  Even Joe in the morning has started leaning way left compared to where he was at when he first started his show over there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kritt</p>
<p>You are trying to convince me that Olberman and Mathews&#8230;&#8230;.feature anchors on MSNBC have no influence upon the Democratic party?</p>
<p>The other night I went to a democratic site to watch the Obama budget speech.  They were running a poll as to which network you were watching the speech.  MSNBC 66 percent.  CNN 22 percent. the other 3 sites were about 18 percent and Fox was ZERO.</p>
<p>While statistically insignificant I think that speaks volumes to how important the hard core dems view MSNBC and Mathews and Olberman.  Even Joe in the morning has started leaning way left compared to where he was at when he first started his show over there.</p>
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