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		<title>By: Zzzzz</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26669/lets-grow-up-and-raise-taxes-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-173966</link>
		<dc:creator>Zzzzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No regor, stop your complaining.  I have a full-time salaried professional job, and frankly, I have seen LITTLE evidence that my older (approaching retirement age) peers are incapable in any way of doing their jobs.  I&#039;ve seen little evidence that most of the retirees in my community (below their later 70&#039;s) are incapable of working, either.  True, some people become disabled with age, but their are programs for that.  Healthy older people shouldn&#039;t be spending DECADES on the government dole.  Social security wasn&#039;t set up for that, and it shouldn&#039;t be used that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No regor, stop your complaining.  I have a full-time salaried professional job, and frankly, I have seen LITTLE evidence that my older (approaching retirement age) peers are incapable in any way of doing their jobs.  I&#39;ve seen little evidence that most of the retirees in my community (below their later 70&#39;s) are incapable of working, either.  True, some people become disabled with age, but their are programs for that.  Healthy older people shouldn&#39;t be spending DECADES on the government dole.  Social security wasn&#39;t set up for that, and it shouldn&#39;t be used that way.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26669/lets-grow-up-and-raise-taxes-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-173959</link>
		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Regor&#039;s point- I forget who it is who&#039;s proposing this, but someone had a plan on the table to have two tiers of retirement age- one for manual laborers and one for desk job types. Makes sense to me.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I can&#039;t help but agree with Zapp_B&#039;s response to Sweet William. How can you criticize the portion of the country who pays most of the taxes already for not having the spirit that &#039;we&#039;re all in this together&#039; when the bottom half of earners aren&#039;t even going to be paying any income tax at all? Which group isn&#039;t doing their share?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Regor&#39;s point- I forget who it is who&#39;s proposing this, but someone had a plan on the table to have two tiers of retirement age- one for manual laborers and one for desk job types. Makes sense to me.</p>
<p>And I can&#39;t help but agree with Zapp_B&#39;s response to Sweet William. How can you criticize the portion of the country who pays most of the taxes already for not having the spirit that &#39;we&#39;re all in this together&#39; when the bottom half of earners aren&#39;t even going to be paying any income tax at all? Which group isn&#39;t doing their share?</p>
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		<title>By: Zapp_Brannigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zapp_Brannigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had my fill of helping my country and my fellow citizens. For the last twenty years I&#039;ve been helping my country and my fellow citizens to the tune of half or more of what I earn, after payroll, income, property, sales, and various other taxes are figured in. In return for this coerced &quot;generosity&quot; I get collectivist asswipes like Marc Pascal telling me I&#039;m somehow not paying my fair share.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At this point, my country and my fellow citizens can go piss up a rope, SweetWilliam&#039;s vapid &quot;we&#039;re all in this together&quot; crap notwithstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve had my fill of helping my country and my fellow citizens. For the last twenty years I&#39;ve been helping my country and my fellow citizens to the tune of half or more of what I earn, after payroll, income, property, sales, and various other taxes are figured in. In return for this coerced &#8220;generosity&#8221; I get collectivist asswipes like Marc Pascal telling me I&#39;m somehow not paying my fair share.</p>
<p>At this point, my country and my fellow citizens can go piss up a rope, SweetWilliam&#39;s vapid &#8220;we&#39;re all in this together&#8221; crap notwithstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: regor</title>
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		<dc:creator>regor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zzzzz  -  I hope you have a laborer Job, but you probably sit on your fat and take welfare.&lt;br&gt;Most people cannot physically or mentally handle work after the age of 65.  I know there are exceptions but the body cannot last forever and the younger workers will always have all the job oportunities first.  To resolve the Social security issue, use the same percentage  for all wage earners, no cap, and put that money into a separate pot that the government cannot touch for anything else.  That is what was promised when the system was started just after the depression.  Your Social Security is now put into the General Fund, reappropriated each year for retirements, along with appropriations for Social Security Survivors Benefits, and Social Security Disability and probably some other give away programs.  These are all called &quot;entitlements&quot; and are on the chopping block constantly to fund other welfare programs for those who do not contribute to society.  I can assure you, If I had the money I put in Social Security put in a Deferred Comp program, I would have a $4000 per month retirement income with the option for my spouse to have 62% of that for her remaining lifetime if I died.  I know because I did just that.  I now have my retirement and social security.   By the way, I also must pay income tax on 85% of my Social Security Retirement income although I paid income tax on the entire amount that I put into the fund.&lt;br&gt;Social Security was originally only a gauranteed retirement program, not to be taxed, not to be used for anything but retirement benefits,  not for disability,  or other social programs.&lt;br&gt;If we eliminate the Cap on payroll tax, keep the percentage the same for all, look at the benefits for the average working person.     &lt;br&gt;$45,000 income = 3375.00 paid in&lt;br&gt;$250,000 income = 18,750.00 paid in&lt;br&gt;$500,000 income =  37,500.00 paid in        Enough for  2 current  high end Social   &lt;br&gt;                                                                             Security retirement checks.&lt;br&gt;That is just one year investment in the program.  Multiply that by 40 yrs working + interest and everyone would have a real nice retirement.  If you need more, start a private plan like I did.   Stop your griping and take responsibility.  Pass this on to your legislators State and Federal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zzzzz  &#8211;  I hope you have a laborer Job, but you probably sit on your fat and take welfare.<br />Most people cannot physically or mentally handle work after the age of 65.  I know there are exceptions but the body cannot last forever and the younger workers will always have all the job oportunities first.  To resolve the Social security issue, use the same percentage  for all wage earners, no cap, and put that money into a separate pot that the government cannot touch for anything else.  That is what was promised when the system was started just after the depression.  Your Social Security is now put into the General Fund, reappropriated each year for retirements, along with appropriations for Social Security Survivors Benefits, and Social Security Disability and probably some other give away programs.  These are all called &#8220;entitlements&#8221; and are on the chopping block constantly to fund other welfare programs for those who do not contribute to society.  I can assure you, If I had the money I put in Social Security put in a Deferred Comp program, I would have a $4000 per month retirement income with the option for my spouse to have 62% of that for her remaining lifetime if I died.  I know because I did just that.  I now have my retirement and social security.   By the way, I also must pay income tax on 85% of my Social Security Retirement income although I paid income tax on the entire amount that I put into the fund.<br />Social Security was originally only a gauranteed retirement program, not to be taxed, not to be used for anything but retirement benefits,  not for disability,  or other social programs.<br />If we eliminate the Cap on payroll tax, keep the percentage the same for all, look at the benefits for the average working person.     <br />$45,000 income = 3375.00 paid in<br />$250,000 income = 18,750.00 paid in<br />$500,000 income =  37,500.00 paid in        Enough for  2 current  high end Social   <br />                                                                             Security retirement checks.<br />That is just one year investment in the program.  Multiply that by 40 yrs working + interest and everyone would have a real nice retirement.  If you need more, start a private plan like I did.   Stop your griping and take responsibility.  Pass this on to your legislators State and Federal.</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s Just Like Death? &#124; QandO</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26669/lets-grow-up-and-raise-taxes-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-173948</link>
		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s Just Like Death? &#124; QandO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] already heard about calls for raising the top income rate to 90%. Now Marc Pascal, writing at The Moderate Voice, lays out a more comprehensive plan: The first of several stimulus packages has just passed but it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] already heard about calls for raising the top income rate to 90%. Now Marc Pascal, writing at The Moderate Voice, lays out a more comprehensive plan: The first of several stimulus packages has just passed but it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Killadelphia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Killadelphia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IR-FRICKING-RELEVANT.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t care what the rest of the world&#039;s tax burden is. Just because other people in other countries are paying more doesn&#039;t mean those of in the USA have to. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Go ask your mommy and daddy what they think of their taxes. When you grow up, you&#039;ll understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IR-FRICKING-RELEVANT.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t care what the rest of the world&#39;s tax burden is. Just because other people in other countries are paying more doesn&#39;t mean those of in the USA have to. </p>
<p>Go ask your mommy and daddy what they think of their taxes. When you grow up, you&#39;ll understand.</p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
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		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank God for Code Section 403b.............it&#039;s a great innoculation against the ill effects of liberals trying to solve fiscal problems with other people&#039;s money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank God for Code Section 403b&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.it&#39;s a great innoculation against the ill effects of liberals trying to solve fiscal problems with other people&#39;s money.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill1111</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill1111</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God forbid that we should expect our incompetent legislative branch, you know the branch that actually levies taxes and decides how our money is spent, to actually get spending under control.  Hmm...do you think the country would might have been in a better position to weather this economy if it wasn&#039;t always operating from a debt position?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We have grossly lowered our expectations of congress, while they have given themselves raises and entrenched themselves in their positions.  I suggest we raise our expectations and fire as many of the boobs as we can!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God forbid that we should expect our incompetent legislative branch, you know the branch that actually levies taxes and decides how our money is spent, to actually get spending under control.  Hmm&#8230;do you think the country would might have been in a better position to weather this economy if it wasn&#39;t always operating from a debt position?</p>
<p>We have grossly lowered our expectations of congress, while they have given themselves raises and entrenched themselves in their positions.  I suggest we raise our expectations and fire as many of the boobs as we can!</p>
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		<title>By: Zzzzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zzzzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about we grow up and raise the retirement age, an option the author glossed over?  Right now upwards of 30% of all state, federal, and local tax dollars are direct weath transfers to retirees (and growing).  We can&#039;t afford this.  The system was NEVER set up to support people for 30 to 40 years.  For crying out loud, a large portion of the American public voted for a 75 year old man for our countries most important and difficult job.  75 should be our retirement age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about we grow up and raise the retirement age, an option the author glossed over?  Right now upwards of 30% of all state, federal, and local tax dollars are direct weath transfers to retirees (and growing).  We can&#39;t afford this.  The system was NEVER set up to support people for 30 to 40 years.  For crying out loud, a large portion of the American public voted for a 75 year old man for our countries most important and difficult job.  75 should be our retirement age.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/26669/lets-grow-up-and-raise-taxes-guest-voice/comment-page-1/#comment-173930</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are two links that show the US tax burden in low on the list.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0526/030chart.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0526/030chart...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0526/030tab.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0526/030tab.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;The US composite ranks at 42, near the bottom.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;This list shows in the context of GDP, were at the bottom - 27 of Western countries.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So what tax burden are you whining about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are two links that show the US tax burden in low on the list.<br /><a href="http://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0526/030chart.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0526/030chart&#8230;</a><br /><a href="http://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0526/030tab.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0526/030tab.html</a><br />The US composite ranks at 42, near the bottom.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_&#8230;</a><br />This list shows in the context of GDP, were at the bottom &#8211; 27 of Western countries.</p>
<p>So what tax burden are you whining about?</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LKurxst, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The 12-20 millin is the official government estimate that many suspect is too low.  30 million is the high side estimate.  And they pay little if anything in income taxes.  They know how to claim multiple dependents so that nothing is withheld and there are many pro-illegal immigration tax return services that will help the illegal aliens get tax credits so that they get money back instead of apying anything in.   If illegal immigratns were good at paying taxes, California would not have a $40 billion plus budget deficit right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LKurxst, </p>
<p>The 12-20 millin is the official government estimate that many suspect is too low.  30 million is the high side estimate.  And they pay little if anything in income taxes.  They know how to claim multiple dependents so that nothing is withheld and there are many pro-illegal immigration tax return services that will help the illegal aliens get tax credits so that they get money back instead of apying anything in.   If illegal immigratns were good at paying taxes, California would not have a $40 billion plus budget deficit right now.</p>
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		<title>By: lurxst</title>
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		<dc:creator>lurxst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious about the source of the &quot;30 million undocumented immigrants&quot; since most reports I have seen give a conservative estimate of 12-20 million. So thanks for inventing 10 million new tax payers. Yes, even with their fake or stolen IDs many of these people are still having income tax, FICA withholding out of their pay checks. They still pay sales tax in states with no income tax. Of course there are probably just as many if not more citizens that also avoid taxes by &quot;working off the grid&quot;.  Now of this group, aside from some drug dealers, I doubt any would be impacted by a top marginal tax rate of 49%. At that point you are a millionaire and probably aren&#039;t having to worry too much about food, shelter, healthcare, education, retirement, vacations, legacies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hello all you millionaire TMV posters. Thanks for your input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious about the source of the &#8220;30 million undocumented immigrants&#8221; since most reports I have seen give a conservative estimate of 12-20 million. So thanks for inventing 10 million new tax payers. Yes, even with their fake or stolen IDs many of these people are still having income tax, FICA withholding out of their pay checks. They still pay sales tax in states with no income tax. Of course there are probably just as many if not more citizens that also avoid taxes by &#8220;working off the grid&#8221;.  Now of this group, aside from some drug dealers, I doubt any would be impacted by a top marginal tax rate of 49%. At that point you are a millionaire and probably aren&#39;t having to worry too much about food, shelter, healthcare, education, retirement, vacations, legacies.</p>
<p>Hello all you millionaire TMV posters. Thanks for your input.</p>
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		<title>By: Killadelphia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Killadelphia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t you grow up and stop spending so much? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s a hearty FUCK YOU to your idea of more taxes. Perhaps if the people in the government actually paid their taxes, or if Congress didn&#039;t vote themselves pay raises, I might be a bit more amenable to the idea, but as it is, no way. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If those &quot;publicly minded&quot; billionaires and millionaires think that they should give more, why don&#039;t they just start donating money to the government? Or pay off the mortgages of those in foreclosure? Or payoff my mortgage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#39;t you grow up and stop spending so much? </p>
<p>Here&#39;s a hearty FUCK YOU to your idea of more taxes. Perhaps if the people in the government actually paid their taxes, or if Congress didn&#39;t vote themselves pay raises, I might be a bit more amenable to the idea, but as it is, no way. </p>
<p>If those &#8220;publicly minded&#8221; billionaires and millionaires think that they should give more, why don&#39;t they just start donating money to the government? Or pay off the mortgages of those in foreclosure? Or payoff my mortgage?</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudi, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Illegal aliens pay little if any income taxes. They work off the books, they use stolen identieis. they claim five kids so that nothing is withheld.  And eventually, they will get the social security benefits.    There have been several reports that have shown that illegals are a huge drain on the economy. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;the beef packing industry survived in the 1950&#039;s with few if any illegal aliens.  It can go back to paying real wages and real benefits instead of a race to cheat the government as much as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudi, </p>
<p>Illegal aliens pay little if any income taxes. They work off the books, they use stolen identieis. they claim five kids so that nothing is withheld.  And eventually, they will get the social security benefits.    There have been several reports that have shown that illegals are a huge drain on the economy. </p>
<p>the beef packing industry survived in the 1950&#39;s with few if any illegal aliens.  It can go back to paying real wages and real benefits instead of a race to cheat the government as much as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD All those &quot;illegals&quot; are paying payroll and income taxes if their employers report them. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe robots could replace the illegals in meat packing plants. Or we could just &quot;enslave&quot; them until a better cotton gin could send them back to ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD All those &#8220;illegals&#8221; are paying payroll and income taxes if their employers report them. </p>
<p>Maybe robots could replace the illegals in meat packing plants. Or we could just &#8220;enslave&#8221; them until a better cotton gin could send them back to &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jules Crittenden &#187; GOP Restoration Project</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules Crittenden &#187; GOP Restoration Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by lefty guest poster over at the Moderate Voice: &#8220;Let&#8217;s Grow Up And Raise Taxes.&#8221; Use the economic crisis to become more like [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by lefty guest poster over at the Moderate Voice: &#8220;Let&#8217;s Grow Up And Raise Taxes.&#8221; Use the economic crisis to become more like [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DaGoat</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaGoat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raising the Social Security cap and gasoline taxes have been pushed by the left for some time, even when the economy was doing well.  This article is looking for a new excuse.  Intuitively raising taxes when the economy is tanking seems like an incredibly bad idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raising the Social Security cap and gasoline taxes have been pushed by the left for some time, even when the economy was doing well.  This article is looking for a new excuse.  Intuitively raising taxes when the economy is tanking seems like an incredibly bad idea.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You want to maintain open borders and unlimited immigration with free healthcare, free education, and free housing for 30 milion illegal immigrants while taxing the crap out of Americans who work and save and look out for their families. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You can raise taxes all you want and the politicians will find a way to spend every dollar and be back asking for more (See California).  If I wanted to live in a country with 50% tax rates I could move to Europe.  Instead of raising taxes, why not start asking what government really should be doing and what it should not be doing.  Giving medical benefits and welfare to illegal immigrant will have to stop before people should be asked to pay more taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want to maintain open borders and unlimited immigration with free healthcare, free education, and free housing for 30 milion illegal immigrants while taxing the crap out of Americans who work and save and look out for their families. </p>
<p>You can raise taxes all you want and the politicians will find a way to spend every dollar and be back asking for more (See California).  If I wanted to live in a country with 50% tax rates I could move to Europe.  Instead of raising taxes, why not start asking what government really should be doing and what it should not be doing.  Giving medical benefits and welfare to illegal immigrant will have to stop before people should be asked to pay more taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: mikkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree that social security is in a real crisis. The main problem is that benefits rise faster than inflation, and if it were merely indexed to inflation that takes care of the problem. That should be done before raising taxable income limits.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, tax rates will have to be raised in general to pay down the debt, there is no getting around it. Once we have a new transportation/energy infrastructure mostly in place, then tax rates should be lowered again to encourage investment in technologies that take advantage of them and lead to a period of new economic growth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree that social security is in a real crisis. The main problem is that benefits rise faster than inflation, and if it were merely indexed to inflation that takes care of the problem. That should be done before raising taxable income limits.</p>
<p>That said, tax rates will have to be raised in general to pay down the debt, there is no getting around it. Once we have a new transportation/energy infrastructure mostly in place, then tax rates should be lowered again to encourage investment in technologies that take advantage of them and lead to a period of new economic growth.</p>
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		<title>By: SweetWilliam</title>
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		<dc:creator>SweetWilliam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds good to me.  There is no free lunch.  I&#039;m sure my Republican friends will all say &quot;if you want to send money to Washington, go ahead and write a check.&quot;  They don&#039;t want to realize we are all in this together - whether we like it/them or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds good to me.  There is no free lunch.  I&#39;m sure my Republican friends will all say &#8220;if you want to send money to Washington, go ahead and write a check.&#8221;  They don&#39;t want to realize we are all in this together &#8211; whether we like it/them or not.</p>
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